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Tesla and CHAdeMo ?

Tesla and CHAdeMo ?

Hello

is Tesla compatible with the CHAdeMO standard, that will be used in europa?

http://www.chademo.com/kml/CHAdeMO_map_in_121012a.kml

This is the only standard that will be used in austria/europa for the moment.

The carding station can have 1x50KW or 2x50KW.

kind regards from austria

Alex

update: Elon Musk say in this Video, that CHAdeMO will work with every car deliverd in europa: http://vimeo.com/61324652

Randal Taylor | 13 janvier 2013

A tweet came through recently that Teslas in Japan will have a CHAdeMO adapter included.
http://bit.ly/RLzgRW

Jewsh | 13 janvier 2013

"A tweet came through recently that Teslas in Japan will have a CHAdeMO adapter included.
http://bit.ly/RLzgRW"

Does this mean that on a North American CHAdeMO station we could theoretically purchase and use the same adapter the Japanese will receive? If so, that is great news. I would definitely be interested. :-)

Alex K | 14 janvier 2013

@ Jolinar | JANUARY 13, 2013: Connector maybe can handle 200A, however communication protocol supports only 125A. That's why it is teoretically ony 62.5kW (500V*125A). Maybe some newer version of CHAdeMO is solved this, I don't know about any.

I don't have a copy of the CHAdeMO spec, but the CHAdeMO organization is looking forward to an increase to 200A:
In the future, as the price of the power units continues to decrease and the performance of the battery continues to improve, faster and higher power chargers be eventually necessary. In fact, the geometry of CHAdeMO connector is designed to allow for 200A, which means it can almost double its power level.
http://www.chademo.com/technology/optimal/

Jolinar | 14 janvier 2013

@Alex K
I don't have it too, that's why I gave you link to wiki :)

MCB | 12 février 2013

The problem is; having to rely 100% on TC being installed, when travelling in Europe. Driving past Chademo chargers on a roadtrip, would be a real bummer!! Chademo is compatible to 5 or 6 different EV brands, but not Tesla ... Why deviate or seperate from the rest of the EV market? Why not join the rest and provide the TC as a bonus for Tesla owners!!! The Model S & X would be superior to the competition anyway. I suppose the ultimate question is this: WHEN can i take my Model S from Norway to south of France and not having to spend overnights every 480 km? Is it viable? Will they be installed along the german autobahn or country road reststops? However, there are rumors on the web that Chademo might be compatible to Tesla in Japan. It is a true dissapiontment if there is no adaptor to the existing EV infrastructure, regardsless of how amazing the Model S is. I understand that the advantage of the TC is great for Tesla owners, but having to follow the TC roadmap on every trip you take ??

Vawlkus | 12 février 2013

Dude, they ARE working on an adapter. It's just not ready yet.

lph | 12 février 2013

What is the charge voltage for the S85?
If it is 500v then you should be able to charge at 62.5kW right now.
However, I seem to remember that it was 375v (someone please verify). If so then it would be only capable of charging at 46.8kW. Still over half as fast as the supercharger for a half charge and even better than that for a full charge because the supercharger slows down the charge rate when it gets fuller.
If these were CHAdeMO chargers become ubiquitous ie. in hotels and malls everywhere (as is already the case I believe in Japan), along with the Tesla supercharger network, it would make EV travel as easy as it is with and ICE (IMO)

ghillair | 12 février 2013

lph:
The supercharger does not slow down near full. The car battery management slows the charge to protect the battery regardless the source or amount of available electricity. When (if) there is a CHAdeMO charger regardless of it's charge rate it will also slow down.

lph | 12 février 2013

Ghillair:
True, but the CHAdeMO will be charging at its full rate for longer because its max rate is lower.

Alexander7B | 13 février 2013

Did you hear in US about the new Universal connector, that the EU forces now?

http://en.wikinoticia.com/entertainment/engine/135928-the-european-union...

MCB | 13 février 2013

@Vawlkus
I know, i said "if".. Its nice to be sure when spending 110K USD on a car. Disappointment hasn't struck me yet... ;) Our plan for two household cars; 1 Tesla Model S and 1 hybrid hatch. Thinking it would be nice to take the Model S for a long trip, using the public EV grid map to locate charge points.

Brian H | 13 février 2013

lph;
silly comment. It starts slower and stays slower.

Benz | 15 février 2013

It does not matter if it is not as fast as a Supercharger. If an extra CHAdeMO-adapter would mean that the consumer has more charging options to choose from, then that is a positive step forward for all Tesla EV owners. As charging at more locations is possible. And that is very convenient for the consumer.

ir | 16 février 2013

Tesla seems to have bet on the SAE standard rather than CHAdeMO. Look at the 4 pin charging outlet 2x power 2x comms. I bet the comms pins use the power line protocol that SAE uses. Tesla saved 2 beefy power pins over SAE by supporting both AC & DC over the plug pins.

The CHAdeMO plug has EIGHT control pins and 2 power pins. The comms is a combination of digital and analog control. Very complicated. Everybody imagines the adapter to be a little cylinder like the J1778 for around $50.

Would you buy the CHAdeMO adapter if it looked more like the mobile charging cable (a big control box on a thick cable) and cost several hundred dollars? In Japan a Model S owner might opt for the CHAdeMO cable instead of the mobile cable.

Alex K | 16 février 2013

@ir| FEBRUARY 16, 2013: Tesla seems to have bet on the SAE standard rather than CHAdeMO.

I noticed a new charging station at Picacho Peak AZ, that is a dual CHAdeMO/SEA Combo plug by GoE3. Here is a picture from the grand opening:

Ecotality also says that their Blink CHAdeMO chargers can be converted to dual plug.

Brian H | 16 février 2013

8 data? Somebody needed to lecture those birds on the benefits of KISS.

Jolinar | 7 mars 2013

Elon just confirmed that Tesla is working on CHAdeMO adapter for Europe:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/teslaevent

He did not mention when it will be available, but still...
thank you!

Vawlkus | 7 mars 2013

Thing is that adapter may not be compatible with the American charger; the upgrades to the European charger might mean its gonna take an upgrade to the existing chargers to make it work.

Pungoteague_Dave | 7 mars 2013

Pure speculation Vawlkus. It is technically possible without changes, so let's not reach conclusions without evidence.

Vawlkus | 7 mars 2013

It is indeed pure speculation, but based on the tidbits of information we do have, it IS plausible.

All we know is that previously it was stated that the charger was unlikely to get a chademo adapter, then we hear that Japan MIGHT get one of those adapters, and then finally we hear that the three phase adapter for Europe would be chademo capable. To me, that says that the current charger isn't yet able to adapt to the chademo chargers, but it may be possible to engineer an adapter, or failing that, engineer an upgraded charger to replace the current charger in American cars. That's all IMHO of course, until we get more info from Tesla.

ChrisPDX | 7 mars 2013

I don't think it really matters what charger is in the car. CHAdeMo is a DC charging system. Basically like a lower powered version of the Telsa Supercharger where the connection is direct to the battery. So as long as the adapter can make the car think it's a supercharger, it should work. Assuming Tesla uses the same cable connection at the car and they don't block the it via software, there's no reason an adapter from another country won't work. Regardless, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed they just release one for the US and make things easier for us!

Pungoteague_Dave | 7 mars 2013

+1

gregv64 | 7 mars 2013

"Assuming Tesla uses the same cable connection at the car"

The european spec cars will have a different cable connection at the car. This was confirmed at almost the same time in they confirmed the CHAdeMo connector. European cars will have a Mennekes connector.

Alexander7B | 17 mars 2013

Elon Musk did told for europa that the cars will work with Chademo:

http://vimeo.com/61324652

RanjitC | 17 avril 2013

Any news on a CHAdeMO adapter yet? Plugshare is showing more and more Blink quickchargers which have CHAdeMO plugs.

wonder | 18 avril 2013

J1772 standard allows for 80 Amp output (if memory serves) and in my mind that is what should be deployed ..., "if" deploying J1772.

DonS | 18 avril 2013

J1772 is still having "chicken & egg" problems. 80A wiring needs more than 2x the copper of 30A wiring, so cost is an issue. Even though Model S was the sales leader for 2013Q1, Volt and Leaf have higher numbers on the road and even 30A is overkill for them.

I hate that AC Level 2 can be anywhere from 24A to 80A because it is impossible to search for decent chargers. It needs a name AC Level 2.5 to signify anything over 50A.

wonder | 18 avril 2013

I agree ... or every additional J1772 deployed could simply be 80 Amp capable. I'm thinking we need buy in here!!

KDF | 22 août 2013

@ TIMO

Wo man ueberall Deutsche trifft?

Zum Thema Grenzen die du ganz am Anfang des Threads angeschnitten hast:

Schengener Abkommen

Die Schengener Abkommen waren internationale Übereinkommen insbesondere zur Abschaffung der stationären Grenzkontrollen an den Binnengrenzen der teilnehmenden Staaten.

In Folge der Einbeziehung der Abkommen und des darauf aufbauenden Rechts (Schengener Besitzstand, häufig auch Schengen-Acquis genannt) in den Rechtsrahmen der Europäischen Union, gelten die Bestimmungen der Schengener Abkommen als EU-Rechtsakte weiter und wurden mittlerweile fast vollständig durch verschiedene andere Rechtsakte ersetzt.
Trotzdem wird auch weiterhin in diesem Zusammenhang vom „Schengener Besitzstand“ gesprochen; dieser bildet einen wesentlichen Pfeiler des „Raumes der Freiheit, der Sicherheit und des Rechts“[1] der Europäischen Union. Da sich der Anwendungsbereich des Schengener Besitzstandes nicht mit dem Gebiet der EU-Mitgliedstaaten deckt, wird in diesem Zusammenhang vom Schengen-Raum bzw. den Schengenstaaten gesprochen.
Das erste Schengener Abkommen war das „Übereinkommen vom 14. Juni 1985 zwischen den Regierungen der Staaten der Benelux-Wirtschaftsunion, der Bundesrepublik Deutschland und der Französischen Republik betreffend den schrittweisen Abbau der Kontrollen an den gemeinsamen Grenzen“, auch bekannt als „Schengen I“. In diesem Schengener Übereinkommen vereinbarten fünf europäische Staaten, perspektivisch auf Kontrollen des Personenverkehrs an ihren gemeinsamen Grenzen zu verzichten. Das Abkommen sollte die Schaffung eines europäischen Binnenmarktes vorantreiben und ist nach dem Ort Schengen im Großherzogtum Luxemburg benannt, wo es unterzeichnet wurde.
Zur praktischen Umsetzung der politischen Vereinbarungen wurde am 19. Juni 1990 ebenfalls in Schengen das „Übereinkommen zur Durchführung des Übereinkommens von Schengen vom 14. Juni 1985 …“ oder „Schengen II“ unterzeichnet. Nach mehreren Verzögerungen, unter anderem auch verursacht durch den Beitritt der DDR zur Bundesrepublik Deutschland, wurde dieses kurz Schengener Durchführungsübereinkommen (SDÜ) genannte Abkommen erst am 26. März 1995 tatsächlich in Kraft gesetzt.
Der „Vertrag über die Vertiefung der grenzüberschreitenden Zusammenarbeit, insbesondere zur Bekämpfung des Terrorismus, der grenzüberschreitenden Kriminalität und der illegalen Migration“ (Prümer Vertrag) vom 27. Mai 2005 wird gelegentlich auch als „Schengen III“ bezeichnet, da er die mit dem SDÜ begonnene verstärkte polizeiliche und justizielle Zusammenarbeit einzelner Mitgliedsstaaten weiterführt. Er gehört nicht zum Schengener Besitzstand im eigentlichen Sinn.

GeekEV | 22 août 2013

@KDF - Huh? Even after translating that makes no sense in this context. What am I missing?

Timo | 23 août 2013

@GeekEV; He's talking about agreements which allow free movement between European countries "Schengen agreements". Probably as answer to few of my messages at the first page of this thread.

@KDF; I don't speak German. I had to translate your message using Google translate.

[rant]
unfortunately my country has some ancient relic and is "bi-lingual" even that this other language (Swedish) is spoken by only 6% of the population, and 99% of those speak Finnish too. We probably have more Russian tourists at any time than we have pure Swedish-talking citizens. For that reason I was forced to learn Swedish and had to drop German because my weekly hours exceeded 45 in school with it. Can't learn everything I guess. There is only 24 hours in a day.
[/rant]

wcalvin | 23 août 2013

It may be useful to classify full-tank charging opportunities in terms of what the driver does between plugging in and removing the connector.

1. Sleep: In that case, 10kw charging rates will do (240v at 40 amps).
2. Eight hour work day: about the same.
3. Stop and stretch: Takes 90-120kw superchargers.
4. Shop for hours in a mall. Level 3 DC charging.

For mere topping up, less will suffice.

The main problem that I find with road trips is judging sites in terms of what to do in the 6-8 hours without a car.

gordonweiss | 18 septembre 2013

I hope this adapter comes out soon in the US. It would help me out A Lot!

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