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Why aren't there any YouTube videos of other car companies' autopilot?

Why aren't there any YouTube videos of other car companies' autopilot?

You would think that it would be as popular as what we're seeing with Tesla Autopilot. Where are the vaunted Autopilot features of other car companies? Seeing is believing.

shop | 1 novembre 2015

There are a few, but the other company's autopilot capabilities are so bad, people just don't bother posting many of them. Also, when you have to hold onto the steering wheel every 10 seconds, it hardly counts as autopilot anyways.

JAD | 1 novembre 2015

@shop, not totally true. If you look at the show car features, other car companies have great autopilot. Of course their 'soon' means 3-5 years from now. Makes Elon's soon seem down right quick!!!

negarholger | 1 novembre 2015
UnshodBob | 1 novembre 2015

@Kleist - that was pretty funny. I like the paper airplane! Didn't know but makes sense that farm equipment would have had it before automobiles. That guy was great. I expected him to cancel it and take over, but nope.

Qwertzy009 | 1 novembre 2015

@Patrick

Ehhhh, those aren't any different from the bosh self-driving concept videos.

shop | 1 novembre 2015

Patrick, all those videos are for concept cars or are promotional vids. Doesn't count. Any real vids of production cars from customers?

Tiebreaker | 1 novembre 2015

OP, they are all in the future.

Son of a Gunn | 1 novembre 2015

Concept car demos don't count.
Staged, controlled environment demos don't count.
I keep hearing about Acura and Mercedes autopilot but have yet to see a video on the road.
Seeing is believing.

NV4NV | 1 novembre 2015

The TACC (but not auto-steer) capabilities of an older Mercedes-Benz S-class were demonstrated by Jeremy Clarkson on a past episode of the BBC's "Top Gear." The TACC is demoed at 1:50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8IQDNjHez8

The auto-steer capabilities of the 2015-2016 model are shown here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSpuU3DmMIc

... but the latter video is promotional and was produced by Mercedes itself so it is by no means is an impartial "review."

Mercedes calls their system "Intelligent Drive" (which I presume means it is incapable of doing anything stupid). The video not only shows the S-class negotiating divided highways (merging and exiting) but also city streets including turning at intersections. Their system is available as an extra cost option, but only for the S600 (starts at $169,050) and AWG S65 (starts at $224,650).

In terms of TACC/auto-steer, by comparison, Tesla seems a relative bargain ... and it can be continuously updated. But Mercedes has lots of cupholders and hooks to hang your jacket (and a few other things).

UnshodBob | 1 novembre 2015

@NV4NV - love cup-holders and hooks. S60 and AWG S65 are all-electric? For that money, they oughtta be! ;)

NV4NV | 1 novembre 2015

@BarefootRobert - the closest they come is the S550e with a 3.0 liter V-6 and an electric hybrid motor - can be yours for $95,650 base MSRP (plus a myriad of extra-cost options for the stuff you really want/need). Zero to 60, torque, and (dare I say?) horsepower comparable to Model S70 - allegedly.

Qwertzy009 | 1 novembre 2015

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/3pifgy/autopilot_showdown_...

I'll link to this comment, instead of the actual blog with alot of pop ups.

It shows the distronic cruise control which is part of the intelligent drive package and compares it to the Tesla Autopilot. And in the end the mercedes owner says that its not comparable and that Autopilot is on a whole another level. Tesla is like the Iphone 6S and the 2016 Mercedes is like the blackberry.

Here's the S class parking assist where you have to manually switch gears and brake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUXWrzdZMP8

The S550 lane keeping and steering with a 11 second deadman switch, with a bit of ping ponging, out of the lane and too slow to correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-2jwN5a6HE

The Bmw 7 series parking assist where you have to hold down the pdk the whole time, and press the ok button twice, and switch on the turn signal. Its also slower than the Tesla Autopark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1hPmnRwhlo

Here's the steering with a 15 second deadman switch. I'm not sure how it handles corners or faded lines, but it claims to have side collision avoidance like the Tesla does.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/3r4lwa/saved_from_dents_an...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RftR2VQXecA

UnshodBob | 1 novembre 2015

@NV4NV - are you talkin' to me? (Below is the actual quote from Taxi Driver per IMDB. I had to edit it...)

Travis Bickle: You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the h*** else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the f*** do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK.

UnshodBob | 1 novembre 2015

@NV4NV - OOPS, Forgot the happy face! ;)

NV4NV | 1 novembre 2015

@UnshodBob - thanks for the happy face - preferable to getting a Mohawk hairdo. I haven't watched that one in a while, so I am at a loss to know the reply he got (and from whom).

@Qwertzy009 - thanks for the additional info on Mercedes and BMW. Evidence continues to mount that Telsa's system, although far from perfect, outshines the competition. And the capability that Tesla has to provide frequent OTA updates, at least for now, remains an Ace in the hole.

It is dismaying to see criticism of the current autopilot version from drivers using it inappropriately on two-lane city streets. Page 72 of the Manual: "Warning: Autosteer is intended for use only on highways and controlled-access roads with a fully attentive driver. Hold the steering wheel and be mindful of road conditions and surrounding traffic while using Autosteer. Do not use Autosteer on city streets or in areas where bicyclists or pedestrians may be present."

The instructions for navigating a curve, I think, are ... well ... interesting. "When entering a curve, if Autosteer does not detect your hands on the steering wheel, it displays the following message [HOLD STEERING WHEEL] on the instrument panel and eventually sounds a chime. When you see this message, you may need to tighten your grip on the steering wheel. When your hands are detected, Autosteer resumes normal operation. Note: Be careful not to apply any steering. Doing so cancels Autosteer." - Page 73

Finally, let me disclose that I ordered my Model S on October 2nd with delivery in December, so I do not have practical hands on experience with these issues. I am busy RTFM, though.

Son of a Gunn | 1 novembre 2015

I am convinced that Autopilot on cars with an internal combustion engine can never get to the level of precision and control that electric cars can due to the simple fact that combustion-powered cars do not have the ability to drive-by-wire. It's analog versus digital.

joer293 | 1 novembre 2015

I can compare my 2 drive assist cars. If it matters my other vehicle is a 2016 Acura SUV. The Lane Keep Assist, auto cruise and auto brake are so bad they will likely kill somebody soon, if they haven't already.

1. The Acura LKAS is terrible. first it won't work below 45 MPH, second it constantly swerves like a drunk driver attracting police attention. Third it tugs constantly at your hands wanting to cross the lines, and then beeps at you for crossing the lines! It gets confused on exit ramp lines, and just stops tracking the road every mile or so. If there is a break in the paint for more than a couple yards, the vehicle wants you to drive through it! You have to constantly look at the dash to see if it's supposed to be working or not. Highly recommend disabling it for fear of life and death.

2. The Acura auto-emergency-break is terrible, and can't actually be turned off. You are supposed to be able to shut it down, but my 2016 says it's off, and still engages at all the wrong times. Driving in the city, the Acura will constantly grind the brakes while you hit the gas, for no reason. If a car in front of you is turning right, the Acura slams the brakes. If you are coasting, while the car in front of you accelerates, the Acura slams the brakes!! I suppose it can't calculate right turning vehicles that pose no threat at low speeds. Acura can't tell the difference between a car that's accelerating or braking.

3. Auto cruise, umm, more like auto death. We've complained to Acura, and they've only issued recalls for 2015 and earlier vehicles, nothing for the problems with the 2016's yet. Even though 2016's came out in February 2015.

I have seen youtube videos of auto manufacturers complaining drivers disable all these "safety features" and they are trying to figure out how to get drivers to turn them back on. Here's a thought, make them work as they are supposed to, like Tesla has, and customers will love to turn them on.

Son of a Gunn | 1 novembre 2015

@joer293, as long as it's a gas engine, I doubt if Acura can make it better. Precise response can only be achieved by systems that can be precisely controled. Electric motors can be precisely controlled. A reciprocating gas engine has lag in response because explosions have to be controlled. Feeding or restricting air, feeding or restricting fuel in order to modulate engine RPM takes time. An electric motor responds instantly to electrical commands. Drive-by-wire.

JayInJapan | 1 novembre 2015

I saw a video last year of some guy climbing in the back seat of his German car (Mercedes?) with its autopilot running. Scary stuff

Haggy | 1 novembre 2015

I had an Acura TLX loaner and the ACC worked great. It was far better than the Model S at the time. I don't remember what version software Model S had but the Model S TACC is far better than it was when it came out. I didn't try the steering part in the Acura, and the loaner didn't come with a manual. But I did see a video of it. It looked cool and perhaps you'd be able to take your hands off the wheel for a few seconds, but like Tesla, they tell you to keep your hands on the wheel. Unlike Tesla, they have no plans to change that.

Pungoteague_Dave | 1 novembre 2015

@Son of a Gun, huh?. The term drive-by-wire was invented in the ICE world. Many ICE vehicles are mostly drive by wire. Almost all new ones are. My latest BMW motorcycles have no mechanical cables, are entirely run through electronic systems that are very accurate and highly responsive. Tesla is mostly trailing in this respect, not leading. It just switched to electronically controlled Brembo brake systems that have been on other vehicles for years.

Son of a Gunn | 2 novembre 2015

Gas engines are still analog by nature. For example, you cannot make it go from 600 to 601 rpm with the same level of precision like a digital motor. This type of fine control is required by autonomous systems. The autosteer slop you see in Acura and Mercedes comes from trying to wrangle all the variability inherent in combustion propelled cars.