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Why can't someone design a wheel that will "blow away" the brake dusts every time the wheel turns?

Why can't someone design a wheel that will "blow away" the brake dusts every time the wheel turns?

Even with low usage of braking on the Model S, i still notice significant brake dusts collected on my 19" standard wheels.

Do the 19" Cyclone and 21" Turbine wheel designs meant to minimize brake dusts on those wheels?

Brian H | 12 janvier 2014

mikefa;
No such English word as "dusts", unless you're talking about different kinds of dust.

I suspect it's pretty strongly charged when it sticks to the spokes. The cyclone-type spokes generate strong turbulence, so some contact is unavoidable, I think.

mikefa | 12 janvier 2014

Brian H,

you are correct - "Dust" has no plural form! ... i was just testing you :-)

Roamer@AZ USA | 12 janvier 2014

You want brake dust(s), buy a BMW.
The Model S makes less dust in 100,000 miles than a BMW does backing out of the garage.
You are correct that brake dust has an amazing ability to stick to wheels.

JonathanL | 13 janvier 2014

+1 Roamer. And the grey rims hide dust well. I am planning on getting a set of Rial Luganos in gunmetal and I hope the hide the dust well too.

RedShift | 13 janvier 2014

Roamer is right.

BMW brakes use a different brake pad material that is softer, yet more gripping.

So, I switched to ceramic pads on mine a couple of years back. Great, no dust at all ( almost zero, after many many months and no washing ) but at the expense of slightly increased stopping distance.

If you are not a hard core enthusiast driver, ceramic pads are the way to go for nearly zero dust.

Oh, ceramics last much longer too.

Haeze | 13 janvier 2014

The reason they don't design the wheel to blow brake dust out, is that it would cause so much drag trying to move that much air that you would see less efficiency and range in the car. Not to mention the fact that it wouldn't do much good since the brake dust is already attracted to the wheel electrostatically, so you will always end up with a lot of dust buildup.

carolinagobo | 13 janvier 2014

2500 Miles not dust, I wash my car every two or three weeks 21" wheels.

2k13MS | 13 janvier 2014

The solution is carbon ceramic brakes.

Expensive yes. But time is money. I spend 15-20 minutes per week washing the wheels.

With carbon ceramics, there is zero dust. (And they perform better with no brake fade.)

mikefa | 14 janvier 2014

@RedShift & @2k13MS, thanks i will give Carbon Ceramics a try when changing the brake pads... probably won't wait until the current ones wear out.

Dramsey | 14 janvier 2014

Mike, he's talking about carbon ceramic ROTORS. Which use different brake pads.

They're hideously expensive (typically an $8,000-$10,000 option on cars that offer them). Dunno if you could retrofit them on a Mod S or not.

Rheumboy | 14 janvier 2014

I think there are different dusts. For example: dust thou goest? Or, dust thou commith?

AoneOne | 14 janvier 2014

Doesth, methinks.

michael1800 | 14 janvier 2014

I was perfectly willing to believe he was referring to regenerative brake dust and standard brake dust. He did, after all, get 'brake' write. :P

LeonardV | 14 janvier 2014

I found my factory pads put out lots of black sticky dust making it a pain to clean my wheels every time I washed my Model S. So I worked with both Carbotech and Porterfield to identify the Model S brake pads as no one seemed to have done this yet. As a result, here are some pad numbers for Carbotech's 1521 and Porterfield's R4-S pads.

Carbotech

Front CT1001-1521

Rear CT592-1521

Porterfield

Front AP1474 R4-S (with counterweights)
Front AP1001 R4-S (without counterweights)

Rear AP 592.15 R4-S

I ended putting on a full set Carbotech 1521 pads and love them! They have a great initial bite, nice feel, totally quiet, and almost no dust. I did not get a chance to try the Porterfield pads but as I understand, they should be a great option also. In regard to counterweights, in my opinion they were not necessary and Carbotech did not offer them anyway.

BTW - I just took delivery of my Model S in September 2013, #20043 and have driven it about 11.000 miles, about 3,000 miles with the Carbotech brake shoes.

Brian H | 14 janvier 2014

Aoneone;
Nope. Dost.

mikefa | 18 mai 2014

Thanks LeonardV - those part numbers are very helpful. About how much do they go for ... $250-$300 per set? Did you changed the brake pads yourself, or took it in to Tesla Service Center?

blue adept | 20 mai 2014

This might be a simplistic, but why don't you simply wash your wheels/car to remove the accumulated brake dust?

Granted, I might have over thought that reply, but it seems to work in most cases.

jordanrichard | 20 mai 2014

Harder the brake pads, longer stopping distances and more heat generated = warped rotors. Pads are cheaper and faster to change out than rotors.

hcwhy | 20 mai 2014

She dusts with feathers, dost she not?

hcwhy | 20 mai 2014

And my 19" cyclones dost get plenty of dust.

George with SacEV | 21 mai 2014

I switched to a set of aftermarket black wheels, painted the calipers red when the wheels were off, sold my OE 19" rims and my multicoat red Model S is almost dust-invisible.