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Why have SuperCharger completions slowed to a halt?

Why have SuperCharger completions slowed to a halt?

I am getting pretty nervous about the recent slow down in supercharger completions. The Super chargers rate of completion has always been a good sign to me that things are going good and sales are proceeding as expected. We were seeing 2 or 3 stations completed per week for the last few months. And now, even with an ambitious plan to complete many more stations by the end of the year, completion of charging stations have come to a halt.

Anyone have an explanation for this? Possibly they had to use some of the charging station money to implement the titanium shields under the car?

drax7 | 4 avril 2014

It's not lack of money, they have plenty. It's curious to me too
That for weeks there is no advancement.

furbrain | 4 avril 2014

I believe the top priority was a route across the country West to East and North to South on the West Coast. That's done.

Pricee2 | 4 avril 2014

Didn't one of the execs say there were more under construction then there were open? Jerome maybe. About two months ago.

Looks to me like the only new ones we are seeing are those that were in the pipeline in January.

Norwegian Outback | 4 avril 2014

Summer is just around the corner and a lot of Norwegians want´s to drive around a SuperCharged Europe to have a rolling exhibition of this wonderful car.

Come On Tesla - Let´s Go!! :-)

carlgo | 4 avril 2014

Per drax7: Maybe there is some new technology brewing, faster charging maybe, and they don't want to put in old equipment that will need changing out.

Or, and please may this be true, Tesla feels that the Superchargers along selected major routes, supplemented by trickle chargers mounted on posts in front of mom and pop business, have served their purpose.

Now, hopefully, there are plans and deals being made for a far wider and more convenient charging network and this is what they are concentrating on from now on.

Hi_Tech | 4 avril 2014

Someone has done an amazing job with this website: http://supercharge.info/

From here, you see there are 8 sites under construction and 8 more going through the permit process.

That said, I agree things have slowed down too much as well. If someone thinks there is new technology to pump out even more energy, then I think going slow righ tnow is not worth it. This is mainly because the charger starts to slow down after about half way through. So to get to about 75% on what current technology, vs something newer, isn't going to be that big of a difference.

Three things come to my mind for reason of slow downs:
1. Permitting / Political pressure/"red-tape"
2. Potentially looking for sites that can accomodate much larger energy loads per site (i.e. not just 4 stalls, but 10-12)
3. Potentially looking for sites that can accomodate larger location for battery swaps, along with charging

holidayday | 4 avril 2014

And hopefully potentially looking at solar panels at future and existing sites to run the cars on the sun.

David N | 4 avril 2014

HiteshBhatt:
Three things come to my mind for reason of slow downs:
1. Permitting / Political pressure/"red-tape"
2. Potentially looking for sites that can accomodate much larger energy loads per site (i.e. not just 4 stalls, but 10-12)
3. Potentially looking for sites that can accomodate larger location for battery swaps, along with charging

I think you can add a really cold winter for a good part of the country

It has slowed to a crawl, would be nice to see it pick up again so when X is released, charging stations are already in place.

orthophonist | 4 avril 2014

Think of it: An automobile company also builds its energy source (superchargers) and its gas tank (lithium ion batteries) while fighting states that want it to die. Its pretty crazy isn't it?

Brian H | 4 avril 2014

Bureaucratic sabotage by NADA. Full-court press.

Blueshift | 4 avril 2014

Well, two more are live as of today:

http://supercharge.info/?Page=charts

Cranberry, PA
Richfield, UT

B744Mike | 4 avril 2014

Where is the evidence that they are slowing or stopping supercharger installations? Further if there actually is evidence of this, don't forget there is a whole world of Tesla Superchargers out there to build now.

DTsea | 4 avril 2014

they have been at a consistent, steady rate since the cross country route was completed. Look at the graph on supercharge.info.

B744Mike | 4 avril 2014

That's right. And they are putting them in the rest of the world also. They are doing fine.

drax7 | 5 avril 2014

I live in Miami, the most populous city in the state. Not one supercharger in site.
Winter is not an issue here, and there are tons of model s on the road. What
Is going on? No more excuses .

B744Mike | 5 avril 2014

Drax, are you serious? Superchargers are installed along trunk routes so people can drive long distance and charge. They don't put them in cities. I'm getting sick of oil company trolls trying to undermine Tesla.

tezzla.SoCal | 5 avril 2014

Yea Drax; you oil company troll! :)

carlgo | 5 avril 2014

More and better charging solutions = more Teslas. Fewer and less capable charging solutions = fewer Teslas.

Therefore it is clear that those who adamantly support the fewest possible capable charging solutions are actually the oil company trolls disguising themselves as Tesla supporters.

Brian H | 5 avril 2014

carlgo;
Fewest possible => maximum usefulness, most efficient. For any given number of stations. As the gaps fill in, a few 'extra' redundant stations will appear. NBD.

auger | 5 avril 2014

Drax has a point. An SC is needed south of Fort Lauderdale near I-95 and I-595 so you can either continue south toward Miami/Key West or west to the other side of Florida on I-75.

It is on the future installation map, but nothing yet. I hope they start soon.

DTsea | 5 avril 2014

@drax7 does NOT have a point, @auger. There are two superchargers within range of Miami- one on the west side and one on the east side of florida.

So his statement that there are 'none in sight' is silly.

auger | 6 avril 2014

There are many current SCs in cities--six alone within a small radius in the NY/CT area and Chicago, too. Perhaps, the SCs are there because, like Miami, those cities have a high concentration of multi-unit dwellings. If their experience is anything like mine, installing an outlet is next to impossible. That's a very large, dense potential market for Tesla that can't charge at their residence, and won't consider a Tesla without a convenient or, at least, quick way to charge.

I think you're taking his "none in sight" comment a little too literally, but one is still needed near I-95 and I-595 (N of Miami and a little over 100 miles from the next two nearest SCs.) Tesla seems to agree since one is on the future SC map in that general vicinity.

Otherwise, good luck with your drive to the Key's from the nearest SC now.

DTsea | 6 avril 2014

There are superchargers around NYC because it is a way point from Long Island to go west; from New England to go south; and from Washington DC to go north.

Those superchargers are not in daily spitting range for commuter charging. Nor should they be. It's not good for the battery to supercharge too frequently; and for a car driven 15000 miles per year, to use 5000 kWh of Tesla-provided power every year (charging solely at the Supercharger) seems to me like an abuse of the service.

The island of Manhattan is densely served with level 2 chargers for those unable to charge where they park.

auger | 7 avril 2014

It looks like we mostly agree, except substitute your NY location and N, S, and W directions for SE Florida. The road does not end in Miami. However, you say it is an abuse of service for commuters in one sentence and OK for those unable to charge at home in another. Your Manhattan sentence is exactly what I said.

Look, I'm new here, and I'm guessing there's probably a long history between regulars. I view the few forums I visit as a place to exchange information rather than a vehicle to argue on the internet. I do have a hard time fathoming the anti-super charger faction, though.

Clearly, I am in the wrong place. I'm just going to go back to my blissful ignorance enjoying my Tesla--the best car on the road.

buddyroe | 7 avril 2014

Still at 82. Been there for over a week. At least that is what the SuperCharger page says. And that is what I go by.

drax7 | 7 avril 2014

Miami in Dade county is most populous in Florida, we lack a supercharger
In the vicinity. Who cares about Naples and north of palm beach, tesla needs to
Install one here on i95 and now. No more excuses it can only increase sales.

Miami is full of teslas, there is no reason not to install one within 20 miles.

drax7 | 7 avril 2014

I have been long tesla since the mid 30s, tesla is not all knowing.
Tesla should listen to my suggestion and install a SC station in
The vicinity. To the ones claiming otherwise, how could you possibly
Know the local terrain better than I do.

People in Miami are into fancy cars., you see so many Ferrara and lambos and
BMW and Mercedes and bentleys and Rolls Royce
All the time. People here are into expensive cars.
The tesla show room is always busy.

Open a SC station in the vicinity, Just do it.

Benz | 7 avril 2014

Patience is a virtue.

The Tesla Supercharger Network will be expanded, just be patient.

The official 2015 Supercharger map is not the final situation. Even after 2015, there will be more Supercharger stations realised.

A few new Supercharger stations realised somewhere on the globe every month (at least 1) is already a good sign of progress. That means that they are working on it. And that is good. Let them take their time to do things right. They know what they are doing.

In The Netherlands we have 2 Supercharger stations. And we are happy with them. Although we would like a few more, we will just patiently wait until Tesla Motors are ready to place them. More people should do the same, I think.

Earl and Nagin ... | 7 avril 2014

@drax7,
There's probably no question but that you understand the terrain around Miami better than most of us. Unfortunately, you don't appear to understand how EVs or Superchargers work.
They are not for daily charging of your car. You charge you EV at home, while you sleep, or at work, while you work, wherever you park.
Even Superchargers charge too slowly to be worth sitting around, waiting to fill up, like one does with gasoline.
Tesla's Superchargers aren't there so that people don't have to install a charging station at their home.
If people can afford an expensive, car, they can spend, at most, a few $thousand more to install an electrical outlet at their house, apartment, condo, vacation home, or workplace garage for their daily usage.
Most Tesla owners spend more money on their sound system than on their home charger.
It appears to me that one can easily get to anyplace from Miami in even a 60 kWhr Model S, using the existing superchargers enroute. Tesla should invest their resources (and mine, as a TSLA shareholder) today putting them in places that aren't already well served by Superchargers.
You could probably help by calling hotels, restaurants, and municipalities in the Keys, encouraging/helping them to install public Level 2 charging so that Miami residents can charge while there to get back home.

drax7 | 7 avril 2014

Just like LA and San Fran and Chicago and NYC have supercharges in the vicinity,
Miami should too. They need to get a top operations research engineer to max the
Location of the superchargers , given the constraints they have.

There is nothing that I could possibly not understand about the location
Of the superchargers. Miami is the most popular destination in
Florida, just get one near by. Plus there is enough sunshine here to
Power whatever demand may come via solar panels.

Tesla supercharger logistic person is probably inept.

DTsea | 7 avril 2014

Auger no i dont think apartment dwellers should expect tesla to provide in city free supercharging nor would that be good for the car.

There are hundreds of public level 2 chargera in manhattan and in miami. Drax expects tesla to charge his car for free it seems... the superchargers are for road trips to mitigate range anxiety.

drax7 | 7 avril 2014

I Expect nothing for free, though the peace of mind that a supercharger is in the
Vicinity , promotes sales. Miami seems a high sales market.

Superchargers 100 miles away from Miami are not the way to promote
Sales locally, especially for those driving to Miami from across the state.

drax7 | 7 avril 2014

That last sentence is non sensical.

For those that travel to Miami, the lack of a supercharger in the vicinity
Is a problem.

drax7 | 7 avril 2014

To the know nothing's , b744mike and tezzla, I have nothing further to add
Without implicating myself.

tezzla.SoCal | 7 avril 2014

good, then STFU

Earl and Nagin ... | 7 avril 2014

Travel to Miami is no problem. You fill up at home if you're approaching from the south, at Port St. Lucie from the north, or Ft Myers if coming from the west. You simply top off a little, while doing your business in Miami, using one of the dozens of public Level 2 charging stations, then go back.
If Miami needs more, Level 2 chargers are cheap to install.
The city Superchargers in LA and Fremont are at Tesla R&D facilities so they are used by Tesla to tweak and closely study charger technology. They are disasters to use since there are so many local people trying to take advantage of the close, free facility.

Rocky_H | 7 avril 2014

There is a place called the "Texas Triangle", which is a triangle of interstate routes that connect the cities of Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, San Antonio, and Houston. Tesla has 5 Superchargers that serve that region. But notice how they conspicuously avoid actually putting any of them IN those big cities? That is the most perfect example I know of that shows their purpose in where they locate the Superchargers.

Brian H | 7 avril 2014

drax7 is indeed trying to make superchargers into the equivalent of gas stations. Ain't gonna happen.

As for promoting sales, the existing "inept" strategy seems to be working fine. When it stops doing so, maybe drax's superior insight will be called on. LOL

buddyroe | 7 avril 2014

Alright! Some progress. Now showing 84 SuperCharger stations.

Maybe we'll get back on that pace of 2 per week for a while again.

You guys have to understand. I am a huge libertarian leaning conservative. But, I also believe in protecting the environment as a general principle, whether global warming is real or not. Regardless of that, whether electric or gas, or flintstone powered, I believe in Tesla. It is absolutely phenomenal that no one has ever been seriously injured or killed in a Tesla.

With that being said, all my friends are conservative. They think I am off my rocker for liking Tesla. They point to the loan, the subsidies, and the political donations of Musk to Obama and think I am nuts. The loans and the subsidies are easy to defend since Ford and GM also got (and get) govt money. But, it is hard to defend the huge contributions to Obama. No matter what though, they say things like, "Yea, they're selling a ton of those cars, I've never even seen one." So, I am really hoping Tesla kicks butt so I can keep throwing it in their face.

Brian H | 7 avril 2014

Geez, I wasn't aware. Does Elon donate more than Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck? They have the advantage of numbers, of course.

B744Mike | 7 avril 2014

Drax7, you have already said everything about yourself without having to say any more.

B744Mike | 7 avril 2014

A final word for the grumpy old men....

"ICYMI, we added 4 new Superchargers in March: Buckeye, AZ, Green River, UT, Greenwich, CT and Plymouth, NC are up!"

Skotty | 7 avril 2014

It may be that, while they try to build Superchargers in parallel, on a grander scale the build out is still somewhat serial. They finished one giant batch, and now maybe there are a whole bunch in the early stages that will all start getting finished at nearly the same time later this year. Maybe not, but makes sense, so maybe so.

Timo | 8 avril 2014

There is two in vicinity of Miami.

NYC, LA San Fransisco, Chicago have more Model S sold and they are drive-thru places?

There is one marked in Miami "end of 2014".

Skotty | 8 avril 2014

Honestly, I think Superchargers in the vicinity of cities should cost money to use. Like buying gas at a gas station. The ones out in the middle of nowhere along highways can remain free.

You really don't want to put free ones close to big cities. Especially when cheaper EV models go into production. Not unless there are non-free ones in the area too. You want people to be encouraged not to use them unless they really need to.

Time is money. Overcrowded free Superchargers will end up costing me more in time than less crowded ones I have to pay money for.

holidayday | 8 avril 2014

drax,
How many SuperChargers "in the vicinity" of Miami would make sense to you?
How far away to Miami should the closest one be?

Can you drive to Key West on a single charge from Miami?

buddyroe | 29 avril 2014

Since I originally posted this, only 2 SCs have come online in the US. 2 SCs in 25 days. I hope there's a good reason for it. I'm scared that they had to pull money from the SC budget to install the battery shields.

I sure will be glad when we start seeing them ramp up again. Until then, I will be nervous about what's going on. I have no idea how they're going to meet all the supercharging stations on the 2014 map when they are doing 2 per month right now.

Rocky_H | 29 avril 2014

People seem to think the quote about "more under construction than exist now" is a magical elixir that dismisses every kind of slowness. It was interesting at the time, but now it grates on my nerves when people throw it out there again. How many months later can that still be applicable when the stations still aren't showing up?

holidayday | 29 avril 2014

"more under construction than exist now"

Well, this will be the case until probably 2030-2050. With the caveat that "under construction" means "planned".

Tesla is doing a couple of things, and part of the planning will be dynamic, based on usage of SuperChargers.

"Where do we need to build to help future road travel?"
They are spacing them out as best they can, and we do not hear about the negotiations, permitting, contracting, and paperwork that needs to happen before construction begins. Hearing about deals made with malls or stores helps clear a bunch of the hurdles that need to be done.
"Where do we need to build to ease congestion at current locations?"
Many of us predicted Barstow would be overwhelmed by the LA to Vegas crowds, and at certain times, waits can be hours long. Tesla responded by planning stations in Primm and/or Jean Nevada. I'm sure they're also thinking of other locations that can accommodate the demand.
"How do we power these Superchargers?"
Tesla promised that these would be solar powered. In many cases, it's not feasible to place the solar tower right above the parking spots. We have not heard much about this side of things from Tesla recently. My prediction is several solar farms across the country (mostly west) to contribute electricity to the grid, maybe not directly in the location, but still off-setting an equal / similar amount of polluting energy sources. The timing of this will be well after a large connection of SuperChargers have already been completed, likely 2016-2019 time frame.
"Now that we have regular interstates covered, how about less traveled routes?"
There will still be demand to reach 100% of the country, with National Highways, State Highways, and Rural Routes to be covered. Until those are covered, some road trips just cannot be done in a Tesla (mostly out west, where there are large swaths of two-lane roads.)

I still wonder about the slow-down, but once viewed from a higher perspective, I hope it's more of a "lumpy" process, with large spurts of activity with some areas of inactivity, while still hitting coverage goals in time. It seemed until some of the recent slowdown occurred, there was a huge amount of SuperCharger updates between having 40-50 SuperChargers a couple months ago, to over 80 now. Before that it felt slow.

So, let's hope for a spurt of activity between now and Memorial Day (late May) for those planning summer road trips!

buddyroe | 29 avril 2014

Well, they must have read this post and went out and built one, because they just increased the number to 87. WooHoo. I wonder where the new one opened?

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