40% boost in battery range coming soon?

40% boost in battery range coming soon?

I was planning to order my Model S in the next few weeks, and then I read this article on the Barron's web site.

Could this really happen? A new battery pack in the Model S with 40% more range and 30% longer life by 2015? If this is a possibility, I may just wait a few months to see if this story has any substance.

Anyone else hesitating to order based on this potential improvement?

negarholger | 16 settembre 2013

Don't expect anything before 2017...

DJung | 16 settembre 2013

I was planning to order in 2014, and I don't have the mind or patience to wait... 265 miles with superchargers should be plenty of range.

earlyretirement | 16 settembre 2013

LOL. I was going to wait until 2014 before buying the Model S. Then I made the mistake of test driving it. LOL. The thing is they will constantly improve the car year by year. If you waited until the next version is better and better you probably will never be able to buy it.

The car is pretty fantastic.

rfriess | 16 settembre 2013

My experience was the same as earlyretirement. I was going to wait until January when my two Volt leases were up. My wife and I were walking around Santana Row in San Jose and dropped into the Tesla store. The next thing I knew I was taking a test drive. The next next thing that I knew I was placing my order. I've had my P85 for a month now and am grinning ear-to-ear.


2kids10horses | 16 settembre 2013

@rfriwss: Gee, I always thought the next thing I knew was "Ole Jed was a millionaire!"

Tâm | 16 settembre 2013

These are speculations of an equity researcher. We have no idea whether he's better at stock speculation or engineering.

Tesla filed a patent in July, and you too can make any speculations you want. The difference is you may not be in the finance industry and no press may quote you.

Elon stated very clearly that 500 mile (Lithium) battery can be done now, however, the cost is prohibitive.

There are different versions of Metal Air Battery. Most popular is non-rechargeable type so you can swap it out with a swapping station.

One version of rechargeable version can drive you 1,000 miles but you have to fill up her up with water every couple hundred miles.

So which one would you prefer? Wa wa or Swa swa?

I don't think you can figure that out by 2015!

As with any new technology. Don't count on a cheap start price even though they say it should be.

So it's up to you. Are you the type of person who would wait for a perfect mate forever and remain single all your life, or are you the one who found Tesla at her youth and would be willing to grow with her today?

jat | 16 settembre 2013

It's always a possibility that some new tech around the corner makes what you just bought obsolete. If you can't deal with that, don't be an early adopter (or for that matter, even a late adopter - there will always be new things released which are better).

If something does what you want at a price you are happy with, just buy it and be happy. Otherwise, you will always be waiting.

judimasters | 16 settembre 2013

There will always be improvements. At least I hope so! Keep waiting and there will be something else to wait for.

Robert22 | 16 settembre 2013

All things come to those who wait, except to those who wait too late...

Etographer | 16 settembre 2013

Currently you can swap a battery pack out in a minute and a half. The packs themselves are designed to be able to move in and out. It is my guess, that in 3 years when they come available if you had to have the additional 120 miles of range you could always "Upgrade" for a fee. I do not pretend to speak of this as fact, just my own thinking.

Pull the trigger and buy the car now. If you are like me you spend 6k a year on gas. Start saving as soon as you can.

krissu | 16 settembre 2013

Coming out with very different technology does not really make sense financially. Tesla needs to produce cars to pay off R&D costs. With present production volume it takes time. What makes sense is to do upgrades to stay competitive. We all are looking for better range and lifecycle, but Tesla is looking for lower production costs keeping still the car as good as it is. At this pricelevel the massmarket is far away. To really make money and produce in volume, they need to come up with different cheaper technology for Gen III. Also the charging has to be different, if Gen III will be produced in volume, the present capacity of superchargers will not work. If already low volume S causes lines at supercharges, you gan imagine what is needed for another high volume model.

Brian H | 17 settembre 2013

"To be sure of having the latest technology, buy it the day before you die."

HGP16 | 17 settembre 2013

@model_s_rules -- If you live on the west coast and are willing to wait, you'll probably be able to pick up a future Model S with a hyper-loop adapter. But generally I agree with the above posters: why not enjoy a great car now?

Benz | 17 settembre 2013

A modest refresh of the Model S will be realised in or before 2017. And a significant redesign or the Model S will be realised in or before 2020. Waiting is not a good idea.

What you can do is choose the Model X, if you would prefer the Model X instead of the Model S.

AmpedRealtor | 17 settembre 2013

Nobody here knows when or how Tesla will be updating the Model S. Everything anyone says in here is pure speculation, no one opinion is any more valid than another. So my advice is simple. Buy when it feels right. Simple solution, no?

justineet | 17 settembre 2013

@kissu...your post is an art of technology doesn't make technology is a good idea to produce mass market Tesla vehicles?..........:)))

Velo1 | 17 settembre 2013

265 mile range has served us well. Got our S in January, since then I have purchased 2 tanks of gas for my SUV, mostly for regional (Colorado) bicycle events, otherwise we drive our S daily and have never worried about range. I have made a number of 200- mile round trips (same trip each time) in the same day, and never pay attention to the range anymore.

Last month I was asked by a relative we visited in SC what was our price for gas. I didn't know, and really could care less. Love it. | 17 settembre 2013

I do not see any major refreshes of the Model S anytime soon--getting the Model X and Model E out the door are going to consume most if not all of their resources for the next few years.


AmpedRealtor | 17 settembre 2013

It's difficult for a lot of ICE owners to wrap their heads around the range non-issue because they don't consider one critical aspect of owning an EV: Your car is always fully charged when you leave your garage. An ICE vehicle needs a large gas tank not just for extended road trips, which are not really the norm for most people, but also to extend the time between fill-ups. No such issue with my Model S.

Benz | 17 settembre 2013


Elon Musk spoke about it at the annual shareholder meeting in June 2013.

GaryCal | 17 settembre 2013

Remember that Elon Musk is a computer guy who is building cars, so I'm sure he is very familiar with the "I want the latest technology" and "I'm not going to buy a new iPad/other device since it is only 6 months until they come out with the new model" issues. One way this manifests is Tesla pushes out software updates so that old vehicles get the new features. I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla offers hardware upgrades as well. We already know that the battery pack can be removed and replaced automatically in about a minute -- I could imagine Tesla selling an upgrade to a future higher capacity battery to existing owners. Now if I can just get them to sell me an upgrade to the parking sensors they're putting in the new model s vehicles....

ChristianG | 17 settembre 2013

@AmpedRealtor Well most people I talk to completely understand that, but there are several probems with that. Not everyone can charge where they park.

Also the Model S is not a cheap car, so chances are high someone who buys such an expensive car just love to ride in it. So they might do a lot of long daytrips, especialy with lot's of mountains the 300 mile range (wich will not be 300 miles) is limiting.

Driving to a destinations for holidays also will be much harder with the EV limitations.

Of corse for many these limitation will not be felt by many people, but they are valid limitation. In a few years that might be a lot better with Superchargers all over the world, Swapping stations everywehre, public charging stations in every parking garage and of corse mucht better batteries. But we are not there yet.

mrrjm | 17 settembre 2013

I would hurry up and buy the Model S before the price goes up!

sharpe222 | 17 settembre 2013

Bigger battery not nearly as important as eventually solving the charging problem. I still believe that destination supercharging is essential to selling electric cars to the masses. Very few people are going to install chargers at home and very few people will be ok with arriving at a destinations trying to figure out where to charge their car overnight so they can make it back to the supercharger on the highway 80 miles away. Once Tesla is done with network due to be completed by 2015 then the next step has to be taken even if it means charging per use/selling supercharger technology.

Brian H | 17 settembre 2013

mostly wrong. Home charging is the core: full 'tank' every morning is a major convenience, to say the least. Destination charging will be mostly solved by the hospitality industry serving and attracting customers. And Tesla will NEVER take on the hassle of charging for SC use. And has committed to 'free' many times.

Benz | 18 settembre 2013

For the use of Supercharger stations there is only a one-time fee, and that's when you buy the car as new. There is no other payment to be made every time when you actually do charge your Tesla EV at a Supercharger station.

Benz | 18 settembre 2013

The cost for the use of the Supercharger stations is built in the price of the Tesla EV (currently that is only the Model S, but more will follow as time goes by).

ChristianG | 18 settembre 2013

@Sharpe I do really disagree, while I'm with you that if there where Superchargers everywhere (like gas stations) it would be much less a problem.

But for the masses it can't be, that Tesla does all the work and I doubt that, Superchargers being free for life, makes it compelling to put up more than really necessary. And they are packed already with not really a mass of cars on the road, I know Tesla is monitoring and expanding them but like I said it doesn't help the 'EV' in general as no leaf can charge there.

There are at least 2 ways to make a charging network for the masses.

1. Tesla needs all the other big car makers doing the same and build SC so all available cars will be able to load at the stations. With the companies financing it over the sales.

2. you need to make charging a business that makes money.

mik | 18 settembre 2013

Had I been able to get the car when I ordered it, it would'nt have parking sensors, nor a type 2 EU-plug, and probably a less good build quality. So I'm fairly glad I had to wait another two years, and take pleasure from the anticipation ;-). It's all about a kind of 'must have'-feeling. Take it as it is now, and enjoy it from day 1...

Benz | 18 settembre 2013

Generation 3 needs a cheaper battery pack with a 200 mile range capacity. I do not think that it is possible that these hybrid battery packs will be ready when Generation 3 goes in production.

Gizmotoy | 18 settembre 2013

@Benz: Doesn't seem likely. Not only do they need to go beyond simple lab testing, they need to be able to be produced relatively inexpensively and at quantity. That last part is usually the problem.

If anything, I'd expect the Gen3 to use some kind of evolutionary improvement on the current S pack, with a future major revision of the S pioneering new, expensive technologies.

Brian H | 19 settembre 2013

The SC electricity is not prepaid. Its cost is covered by solar power utility sales by Solar City. Produce excess on an annual basis.

Benz | 19 settembre 2013


"The SC electricity is not prepaid."

Do you mean that the extra $2,000 (for the Supercharger option in case of buying a 60kWh Tesla Model S) is not meant for the use of the Supercharger network? Please explain.

Benz | 19 settembre 2013


Is there a difference between two 60kWh Model Ses, one is with the Supercharger capability option, and the other is without the Supercharger capability option. I mean if you look at the hardware that is built in these Model Ses?

Benz | 20 settembre 2013


How much would the cost be of a all the hardware that is installed in the Model S to enable Supercharger capacity? Is that what the $2,000 is charged for?

Milanrawal | 20 settembre 2013

Finance through Tesla and they guarantee buy back in 36 months.

Brian H | 20 settembre 2013

The $2000 is for the hardware, software, and activation. In the sense that since TM must defray those costs fleet-wide, that's a "fair" allocation per car. The tie-in with Solar City relieves TM of having to guesstimate or worry about average future SC use, or take it into account in pricing or any other way (aside from providing the station hardware and installations.)

In these early days, there are indications of overlap and hand-off between the two outfits, but in the long run it allows both companies to stick to what they're best at.

erici | 20 settembre 2013

What charging time would be required to make it economically viable for gas stations to put in Superchargers (if Tesla were to sell them the equipment)?

I would think about 5 minutes max charging time. That would bring the same turnover rate of customers that existing gas pumps bring. Thus, the economics of their mini-mart business doesn't change.

I believe Tesla stated that a full recharge in 5 minutes is theoretically possible.

Benz | 21 settembre 2013


I think that you are right. The $2,000 is indeed a fair price for the Supercharger capability option on the 60kWh Model S (hardware, software, and activation). I guess that most people who bought one of the 60kWh Model Ses will have chosen that option. On the long term that will prove to be a wise investment in the car. Just like investing in solar panels on the roof of a house.