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CHAdeMO Where are You?

Oregon and Washington put in many AV charging stations.
Most all with a 50KW charger requiring a CHAdeMO adapter.
Tonight I need about 30-40 miles to reach the Woodburn Oregon Supercharger.
And not over discharge.
Hurts to be setting next a fast charge system I can't use.
Any tips or leaks as to when we might get CHAdeMO?
Hey Tesla, I would love to be an early adopter!

gregguy | 17 dicembre 2013

Any information would help.

dsecrist | 17 dicembre 2013

The online store still says that adapters will be available sometime in winter, which technically doesn't even begin for another 4 days.
http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s/products/chademo-adapter

bonaire | 17 dicembre 2013

What's the charging cost at an OR CHAdeMO charger? I assume some may be free and others at a kWh- or time-based cost.

CraigW | 18 dicembre 2013

A couple of months ago I called and inquired about CHAdeMO charger connectors. I understand they are the standard in Europe. I was told they would be provided with all European Teslas in Spring 2014, but would not be available in the US until later.

I have no other special, or inside, information.

Docrob | 18 dicembre 2013

This practice of Tesla of releasing sought after features in specific locations and excluding them from others has always struck me as a poor business marketing practice. Similarly bundling sought after items seems bizarre because many people receiving them may have little to no use for them due to not using their car for roadtrips or not having Chademo chargers on their routes, whilst people who could get enormous use, sometimes daily use out of them are denied access. Seems that waiting until supply can service the demand and releasing them on request initially so they go to those who can get the most benefit.

Docrob | 18 dicembre 2013

*would be a far better way to go.

jat | 18 dicembre 2013

I got on the waiting list for it, and they said end of January at the earliest for the US version.

jat | 18 dicembre 2013

@Docrob - the connectors on European cars are different from US cars, so they can't use the same adapter.

Pungoteague_Dave | 18 dicembre 2013

@gregguy, how do you define over discharge? We run down below 20 miles range a couple times every week, have gone to zero indicated about five times, yet still have 276 indicated rated miles on a range charge, which we also do at least twice weekly. I think people are babying their batteries more than needed. The car is here to serve us, not the other way around. The warranty has no use conditions. We assiduously follow TM charging guidelines in part because they are watching our every move (the car records every charge statistics forever, and they can and do look at it remotely, kind if our own personal NSA), also because we want to treat the car well and avoid abuse. We are a survey of one, but TM staff says our driving habits are fine.

GoTeslaChicago | 18 dicembre 2013

I checked the online store. The CHADEMO adapter is $1,000 if you already have supercharger capability. At that price it will have a pretty limited market in the US, especially as the Tesla Superchargers get rolled out to more and more areas.

Brian H | 18 dicembre 2013

GTC;
Don't judge by a few metropolitan areas. "Rolled out" means much different things in SoCal and SoDak.

gregguy | 18 dicembre 2013

Oregon has 3 wonderful Super Chargers.
But realistically cover a very small portion of the state.
Looks like Tesla will be putting in one more. Great!

Oregon has now put in 33 charging stations and most have CHAdeMO

http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/OIPP/Pages/inn_ev_sites.aspx

And YES, they are FREE for awhile.
These cover the Oregon Coast very well.

Blink systems are also very pervasive in the valley.
They offer level 2 at $1 per hour and CHAdeMo for $5 until charged.

A CHAdeMO adapter will save me time every week...thanks

mantin | 18 dicembre 2013

Nissan dealer reported to me this weekend that its chargers are being replaced at Nissan's requirements to Chademo sites and the one in San Diego by February.

murraypetera | 19 dicembre 2013

Too bad tesla requires super charger access to use tis adapter.
I would love one but it would cost me $14500 to get it...bit of a joke

Brian H | 19 dicembre 2013

"SC access" means ability to use DC charging. Not a joke.

SCCRENDO | 19 dicembre 2013

@murraypetera. Once the supercharger network is built out, if you had to chose, superchargers would be preferable to Chademo. Although I understand at present in some parts there is no supercharger option. Not clear how you get to $14500. Supercharging is free with the 85 and is $2000 with the 60. The Chademo is $1000. Although wasn't there some break if you bundle the supercharging option with the adapter.

jat | 20 dicembre 2013

@SCCRENDO - he has a 40kWh battery, so he would have to upgrade to 60kWh and add Supercharging capability.

40s were never intended for anything but in-town cars, so not sure why you would need it anyway.

gregguy | 22 dicembre 2013

Looks like Oregon is getting it's forth Supercharger.
Construction appears to be underway. Detroit, Oregon Great!

Did some investigation and Oregon alone has over
100 DC Quick chargers requiring CHAdeMo. 33 are FREE

It would be a great time saver for me as my work covers the state.
If CHAdeMO where canceled I might have to part with the MS. Ouch!

EclecticCitizen | 23 dicembre 2013

Bump
Would love to see this ASAP too Tesla! would be a great help for those of us condo and apartment dwellers who have been stonewalled by the properties and can't plug in at home.

stevenmaifert | 23 dicembre 2013

I wonder if Blink will change it's $5 flat rate (Blink Plus subscribers) for their CHAdeMO chargers once the Tesla adapter comes out. If I charge my depleted 24kWh Leaf, Blink makes money. If I charge my depleted 85kWh ModS, I charge for less than half of what it costs me to charge at home and a lot faster.

I frequently charge my Leaf on my local Nissan dealer's CHAdeMO unit. It's free but for exclusive use by Leaf owners. The charger is activated with a FOB held by the service reps. Don't know if that's just a dealer policy, or a Nissan policy, but once the ModS adapter comes out and you plan a trip that includes charging at a Nissan dealer, you might want to call ahead and see what their policy is.

Webcrawler | 23 dicembre 2013

Many of the Cracker Barrel restaurants in north GA and TN have them. So the adapter would be quite handy since the Superchargers are not likely in this area for a couple of years...

Pungoteague_Dave | 23 dicembre 2013

@ webcrawler, as I outlined elsewhere, Cracker Barrel has not had significant use at their TN and GA locations, stopped installing them a year ago, and is removing them from service as they break. Blink went blunk and no one has yet "cracked" the for-fee EV charging cost/benefit, horse/cart conundrum.

jat | 23 dicembre 2013

@stevenmaifert - already you should call Nissan dealers before planning to charge there. Some are quite friendly (I charged at the Nissan dealer in Hickory NC last weekend), while others not only won't let anything but a LEAF charge there, they had to have sold it.

The local Nissan dealer has already said they are happy for any CHAdeMO-equipped cars to use their charger, but I wouldn't bother (except to verify it worked) since it is close to my house.

Pungoteague_Dave | 23 dicembre 2013

The three Nissan dealers in Delmarva do not allow Teslas to charge (Salisbury, Dover, Preston).

knoxie | 24 dicembre 2013

The EU version of the model S does not come fitted with a chademo, the model S can charge at many of the free rapid chargers we have here in the UK using the 22kW port on the charger, here is one in the UK charging on such a charger, the chademo connector is plugged in right next to it.

Charging on this charger is free too for anyone with an Ecotricity card.

http://www.leaftalk.co.uk/showthread.php/9241-Ecotricity-Electric-Highwa...

Brian H | 24 dicembre 2013

It will have CHAdeMO, this spring. The US gets it later, in the summer.

Andrew_OH_S60andS70D | 24 dicembre 2013

We have both a 2013 Model S and a 2013 Nissan Leaf. The Leaf came with two charging ports, one for Level 2 and one for CHAdeMO. It is my understanding that Nissan is working with Cracker Barrel to get CHAdeMO charges installed around the county. This would be a welcome improvement in the Midwest, which is way down the list for Superchargers.

AmpedRealtor | 24 dicembre 2013

Tesla states on the US site that the CHAdeMO adapter will be available for purchase in the winter.

Pungoteague_Dave | 24 dicembre 2013

@Andrew_OH, the Cracker Barrel experiment with charging is over. No demonstrated demand, full parking lots with empty premium-located charging spaces just pissed everyone off. I used one recently at a CB in TN. Very slow. CHAdeMO would have been better, but it looks like it isn't going to happen.

spicanspancleaning | 24 dicembre 2013

I received an email last week that said they would be available to us on the west coast end of February early part of march. It seems like we've been in winter awhile but it actually just began. :/

AmpedRealtor | 24 dicembre 2013

Am I the only one who thinks installing charging spots at Crackle Barrels, or whatever they are called, was doomed to fail? I mean, who eats at these kinds of places? All of the EV owners that I know don't like chains, take their diet and health very seriously, and would basically not be caught dead eating at this type of a "restaurant".

If you're going to launch this sort of field trial, can you at least give some consideration to your demographic? While charging spots at Crackle Barrel may go unused, the same spots at Whole Foods would be fully occupied.

heron98105 | 10 gennaio 2014

Adapter for Tesla's to use CHadeMO- very cool!

How about an adapter for Leafs and others capable of using CHadeMO to use Tesla's superchargers?

While I am absolutely on board with moving the EV ahead-

I cannot respect Elon's (or anyone's) decision to embrace any divide within the EV community.

"What is good for one is good for the other"

Standardization, and fast charger infrastructure availability is good for us all... period!

Thank you-

Kleist | 10 gennaio 2014

@heron98105 - Leafs etc can't really use a Tesla adapter, because they run out of juice before reaching the next supercharger. Once we have 200+ miles EVs from other companies then that discussion would have some value.

mikefa | 10 gennaio 2014

Has anyone actually seen and handled a CHadeMO charger? It is HUGE like a fire hydrant nozzle and weighs a ton like a bowling ball... no ways i'm letting it hang and dangle on my Model S.

Kleist | 10 gennaio 2014

@heron98105 - when Tesla developed the the model S there was simply no fast charging standard - period. SAE protocol is what Tesla is using except the Frankenplug... how difficult is it to wire a new plug at the end of a cable? CHAdeMo is limited to 62.5 kW and rejected by most car manufactures.
The hard part of a supercharger is to estabish the grid connection at that location, adding extra stalls with different standards is a small change. Once other manufactures offer 200+ miles EVs I could see the superchargers evolve into multi-standard EV service stations.

PapaSmurf | 10 gennaio 2014

Frankly, if Tesla continues with their Supercharger network at this pace and has the entire USA and Europe covered by 2014 (80%) - 2015 (98%), then I suspect the other standards might just disappear.

There are no other 200+ mile EVs even planned yet by other auto manufacturers. Therefore, there is really no need for any other DC network.

Imagine the competitive landscape around 2017 when the affordable Model E is beginning to be produced. When presented with the Supercharger network that Tesla already has in place, is any other EV going to be remotely competitive from a functionality point of view? Why on earth would anyone even consider any other EV that lacks an equivalent feature comparable to the Supercharger network?

Until I read about Chademo locations being installed at 100+kW and in useful locations similar to Superchargers, it is really tough to take any of those other "standards" seriously.

I am betting that other car manufacturers will buy into the Tesla system to catch up. Everyone else is going to be between 3 to 5 years behind Tesla by then. It really will take that long for them to copy the systems that Tesla is already building.

Chademo will likely survive in Japan, but it is tough to see it making it anywhere else.

Brian H | 10 gennaio 2014

Existing cars can't use SCs, so they will need wimp-charge stations for some time.

Jolinar | 11 gennaio 2014

@Kleist
CHAdeMO is limited to 62.5kW in the best condittions if you start with deplated 500V pack and 125A. But as the pack charges up, Voltage rises and amps decrease, however CHAdeMO can't supply more than 500V so 62.5kW is theoretical limit, not a real life. Real life limitation is more like 50-55kW and that's why all CHAdeMO chargers are 50kW limited.

Car t man | 11 gennaio 2014

Kleist and Papa are missing tht not everyone and every EV is needed for long
stretches. So 200+ mile EVs are a niche. Mostly, still due to cost of batteries, EVs are at home in cities. 70.000+ USD cars are a niche also, but over time, EVs will primarily be in the sub 30.000 range.

Even short range EVs benefit from rapid charging. If one goes into a diner, that someone would certainly prefer a 90% SOC than a 30% SOC if empty on arrival...

And if someone has a 40kwh Tesla, you can be sure he/she wants new options to travel, without necessarily making expensive upgrades. Chademo can do that for them. It is actually a very smart buy.

Brian H | 11 gennaio 2014

Most SCs are out of the reach of most EVs.

Elon was brushed off when he tried to get TM quality in the SAE standards.

70 mi cars would charge at low rates, for just as long as an MS, much more often. Just a clog on the system. Elon offered access to cars capable of charging at full rate. Not happening until their batteries are Tesla-size.

tes-s | 11 gennaio 2014

I think there will be multiple standards. Filling stations now have multiple standards - most offer diesel and multiple grades of gasoline. They store diesel and two grades of gasoline in tanks. The delivery system uses one nozzel for diesel, and another nozzle for gasoline. With gasoline, depending on the grade selected, the delivery system provides fuel from one or both of the gasoline tanks.

I see no reason an EV station could not have two "tanks" of electricity to deliver - AC and DC - and two or three different nozzles and protocols at each "pump".

A lot simpler than delivering liquid fuel - no moving parts!! (well, may be a cooling fan...)

AmpedRealtor | 11 gennaio 2014

@ heron98105,

Superchargers would serve no purpose for other, non-Tesla EVs. Superchargers are 150 miles or so apart from each other, so no EV other than Model S could even drive the distance between two superchargers. Superchargers are not intended for in-town or destination fueling, they are designed to facilitate travel between endpoints. Superchargers have no billing facility because they are, by default, free to use for all Model S vehicles.

If you haven't purchased a Model S, you haven't paid to support the supercharging infrastructure and therefore are not entitled to the free power provided by those superchargers. Built into the price of almost every Model S is the cost to build superchargers. You did not pay that fee if you own a Leaf, Volt, etc., and therefore did not pay into the system, so to speak.

PapaSmurf | 11 gennaio 2014

For those cars with smaller battery packs, level 2 AC charging is typically fine. The cost to install a CS-90 (recharge at 70 amps with J1772) is about $2,000. That is perfect for a Leaf or Volt or BMW i3 sized battery pack.

The cost of installing a Chademo 50 kW DC unit is significantly more. I recall the number for one being $30,000. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Just based on costs of installation and the typical type of power available in most buildings, I think it is far more likely that we will see those 16 kW to 20 kW AC charging units become the standard. The CS-90 or CS-100 from Clipper Creek are ridiculously easy for any business to install. That level of power with recharge a commuter EV quickly. Most buildings already have sufficient electrical service to provide 20kW without expensive upgrades.

I don't think many commuter EVs (100 miles of range or less) will be designed for 50 kW DC. That level of power is too high of a charge rate for the size of the battery packs.

Tesla got it right. Everyone else seems to be doing illogical stuff with the "standards".

stevenmaifert | 11 gennaio 2014

Had the real S40 gone into production, there was a reason why they weren't SC capable. There weren't enough cells in the battery pack to receive the distributed high power from the SC without damaging the cells. Same reason non-Tesla EVs wouldn't be able to use an SC. What puzzles me is why the RAV4 EV, with its Tesla power train and ~42kWh battery, isn't even CHAdeMO capable.

djm12 | 11 gennaio 2014

So should Tesla work out a deal with Nissan to allow Tesla's to charge at Nissan dealerships in exchange for a partnership to build EV charging infrastructure and possible Tesla SC licensing agreements in the future? I'd like to see some cooperation on building the infrastructure.

tes-s | 11 gennaio 2014

S40 can handle supercharger power, as can any other DC-capable EV. The charger has a maximum output, but the DC charging standards for CHAdeMO and Tesla have the power regulated by the EV.

All EVs with similar battery technology charge in roughly the same amount of time. Twice the cells can handle twice the charge rate. That is why it takes about the same amount of time to charge a 60 as an 85 if you have a big enough charger like a supercharger.

muleferg | 11 gennaio 2014

The Nissan Dealer here lets Tesla owners charge.

Al1 | 11 gennaio 2014

"I'd like to see some cooperation on building the infrastructure".

I don't see that coming. Highly unlikely in my opinion. Much more likely each of them reaching agreement with third parties building infrastructure. They may end up in the same charging spots, next to each other, but each still be different.

I do agree though Tesla needs to step up cooperation with location owners. Hotels, schools, hospitals.

whitex | 11 gennaio 2014

muleferg, how to they the Nissan dealer let Tesla owners charge? Have the adapters been delivered to some MS owners already or did the Nissan dealer get their hands on one somehow?

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