Just learned on a Nissan Leaf Test Drive

Just learned on a Nissan Leaf Test Drive

My friend took me to look at a Nissan Leaf. Lots of ooogles at my S model. I did learn 3 interesting things about their product/package:
1) Brakes operate using magnets so that there are no pads to replace. I do not know the effects of power consumption to do this vs activating disk brakes. Also, the TESLA is quite a bit heavier than the Leaf. (4,647 lbs vs 3,340 lbs).
2) Nissan Leaf has an option to use a quickcharge network which delivers 480V DC through a much larger Plug, (about 5" dia.). Can our Tesla S utilize this network or is the SuperCharger network the only one possible?
3) Nissan is allows each buyer 10 free rental car days per year for trips where they don't take their Leaf. I believe I understood that the car must be left at the dealer during this rental time.

pencil2man | 25 aprile 2013
pencil2man | 25 aprile 2013
jat | 25 aprile 2013

For #1, I have no idea what they are talking about -- the LEAF has regenerative braking just like the Model S (it is blended on the brake pedal though). You could say that is braking by "magnets" since there are magnetic fields in the electric motor, but the brakes themselves are normal hydraulic disk brakes.

For #2, Tesla has officially said CHAdeMO will be supported on European cars, and there are rumors that they would in Japan (where CHAdeMO is heavily used). No word when or if they will make an adapter for US cars -- see numerous threads on the subject.

For #3, the papers I got (I had a LEAF for 14mo before getting the Model S, and my wife now drives it) said you get two instances of a loaner vehicle per year. I don't recall any limit on the number of days, but it seems reasonable to limit it to 10 days. It didn't say anything about leaving the car with them, but I haven't used the service either.

joshuaeven | 25 aprile 2013

We bought our Leaf last November (red Model S will be delivered in 2 weeks). Why didn't the sales guy tell us about the included 'rental'!?! Why dont't their commercials advertise this!?! This is a HUGE selling point.

joshuaeven | 25 aprile 2013

Ok, ok...pays to go to the source., the rental car is for when the car is being repaired. I read the OP as a free rental 10 days a year, like if you we're going to go on a trip.

ir | 25 aprile 2013

No big deal, Tesla gives you a free P85 "rental" when your S is in service.

alcassfast | 25 aprile 2013

Fiat is offering 12 rental cars per year when you buy a 500e.

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

the correct HTML is this:

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Like this:

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

Oops. "http://" is not part of the URL.

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013


Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

My mistake(s). You just omitted the opening <img src=" part, and put an extra quote in (after jpg/):

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

Imageshack must have a block on this site or something. Trying their logo image:

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

Brian H | 25 aprile 2013

So, this was the code that worked:

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jat | 26 aprile 2013

@BrianH - thanks, it was too easy to read the posts on this page, the large blank areas really helped fix that.

@joshuaeven - no, this was intended for using on long trips. I don't think I have it any more, but I received it in the mail, and I have seen it in new advertisements (I'm not sure why they send spam about buying a new LEAF to recent LEAF buyers...) as a selling point.

Brian H | 26 aprile 2013

sorry; failed display attempts, definitely not deliberate.

soren | 26 aprile 2013
Can you send a link to where you have read:
"Tesla has officially said CHAdeMO will be supported on European cars"
I spoke to a Tesla sales guy and he couldn't confirm that.

Brian H | 26 aprile 2013

I watched the ambush interview video of George Blankenship in Oslo, and he said CHAdeMO would be "native" for all European MSes.

jat | 26 aprile 2013

@soren - it was a video interview at a European show last month.

pebell | 26 aprile 2013

If that's true, that is really awesome! And makes perfect sense too, if you look at this chart:

derek | 26 aprile 2013

"I believe I understood that the car must be left at the dealer during this rental time."

As long as it's limited to 10 days, why on earth would they care. Even if you just used it for an extra car -- so what?

golftoday | 1 maggio 2013

I had a Leaf for 21 months before getting my Model S. My dealer never mentioned free rental days. A friend of my son's who leased a Leaf was told they could have a rental anytime they wanted. Maybe it's a dealer by dealer thing, and they do what they need to in order to close a sale. And it's very possible the policy is in flux.

There were many things to love about the Leaf, and one of them was the charging network. Every Nissan dealer (that I visited) has a Level 2 J1772 available for free to Leafs. Since there's a lot of Nissan dealers in Southern California, it made for a great charging network.

Re: CHAdeMO (sp?). Nissan has announced they will be installing them in many of their dealerships. I think I read they will give a Leaf 60 miles of charges in 30 minutes.

What about Tesla somehow hooking up with that? If there were quickchargers in most Nissan dealers that would make a substantial network for us.

Sudre_ | 1 maggio 2013

golftoday, Nissan and Tesla are or at least will be in compitition with each other. There area several posts from people who HAD/have Leafs before they got their S. I don't think Nissan is going to encourage other EV manufactors products by allowing charging.

jat | 1 maggio 2013

@golftoday - I wasn't told about it until months after I bought the car, so it wasn't the dealer doing whatever they could to close the sale (and since I had waiting for 18 months to be able to order one, it seems unlikely they would have thought they needed to do anything anyway).

pebell | 1 maggio 2013

I guess it depends how you (they) look at it. I don't think Tesla and Nissan will be "competing" with each other for individual buyers until GenIII comes along. And in the meanwhile, they _will_ be fighting the ICE cars together. A big common enemy has been known before to make allies out of competitors.

I think that for a few years to come at least, if we can increase the percentage of people that would consider driving an 100% EV, both Nissan and Tesla will both benefit from that. And the better the charging infrastructure is, the higher this percentage is going to be.

breading | 1 maggio 2013


I think whether Nissan dealers will allow other EVs to use their chargers is going to depend on the dealer.

I have used the chargers at Joe Machens Nissan in Columbia, MO and they wouldn't let me pay. They even leave the chargers on over the weekend so that I was able to charge up on a Sunday.

tm | 1 maggio 2013

Sorry, but I don't see how ANYONE could pick the Leaf over the Model S given the choice. Also, the whole "magnetic brake" technology is somewhat irrelevant where EVs are concerned, especially with the Model S. Due to the nature of the motor and it's ability to turn into a "generator" and effectively slow the car down using electromagnetism, the brake pads see little use. Plus, brake pads are rated for about 100,000 miles on the Model S and are included in the service.

jat | 1 maggio 2013

@Tanner - if you wanted to spend ~$18k rather than $60k+ after tax credits and didn't need a long range vehicle, it seems like the LEAF makes a lot of sense.

tm | 1 maggio 2013

@jat - I guess I can see that, but honestly, I (personally) would never drive a car that's that ugly.

tm | 1 maggio 2013

@jat - Also, you have to take into consideration that the average person WOULD need an ICE car in addition to the Leaf, given that their loaner program isn't sufficient or practical for those who take more than a few trips.

jat | 1 maggio 2013

@Tanner - assuming you drive ~40mi/day, the fuel savings of the LEAF would allow you to rent an ICE for a weekend every month. So, I wouldn't say it doesn't work as a sole car.

pencil2man | 1 maggio 2013

So please give me an education on the CHAdeMO charging (that must be the large round plug on the left) VS the Tesla fast supercharge. What are the issues with being able to connect to this type of charger in the US? where does the supercharger connect to the TESLA? I understand there are CHAdeMO local where I live in Tennessee and it could be quite handy to use... especially for a trip.

jat | 1 maggio 2013

@pencil2man - AFAIK, there is one CHAdeMO charger in TN at a Cracker Barrel. CHAdeMO is 45-50kW, while the Supercharger is 90kW (rumors of upgrades to 120kW). Currently, there is no adapter to use a CHAdeMO charger with the Model S, though Tesla has said there will be in Europe and there are rumors of it in Japan. The Model S only has one charge port, which is used for both AC and DC charging.

pencil2man | 2 maggio 2013

is there an incompatibility that the S can't be charged through others higher rate charging systems? I may have misnamed it, but I understood from a Leaf owner there are multiple quicker charge stations which use the larger round port on the left of the charge cover/area on the car.

chicago.ev | 2 maggio 2013

I have that port on my Leaf but have never used it. There are very few stations that have it. In our area the top parking lot company has put in a number of 240v ChargePoint terminals which is great, because you're normally parked there a while. However, we were hoping that Walgreens would have rolled out the high voltage terminals with ChargePoint when they started their network, but they just have 240v. If ultimately we can get retail locations like Wagreens and Starbucks etc to install high voltage charging stations, EV use could really gain traction. I'm purchasing a ModelS primarily for the range. With the range that we have in the car, there is little need to get a quick charge, unless you're planning on very long trips.

jat | 2 maggio 2013

@pencil2man - that port is CHAdeMO. The great thing about standards, is there are so many of them. At its basic, it is just a regulated DC voltage supplied to the batteries, plus a protocol (whether serial like SAE1772 or Tesla vs relay closures with CHAdeMO) that exchanges information between the car and charger. As long as the capabilities and requirements of both overlap, it should be possible to build a converter. See many threads about CHAdeMO support in the Model S, but the bottom line is we don't know if it will ever be available in the US. My personal feeling is yes, but only if it takes off (CHAdeMO has the installed base of cars and chargers, while SAE-DC has most of the manufacturers).