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Mercedes unveils Tesla-powered electric car

Mercedes unveils Tesla-powered electric car

Found this on CNN Money today, Mercedes is making an electric car powered by tesla technology!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/27/autos/mercedes-tesla-b-class-electric/in...

frmercado | 27 marzo 2013

Very old news...

frmercado | 27 marzo 2013

Sorry I jumped the gun. I didn't realize you were talking about the official launch, which just happened a few hours ago.

olanmills | 27 marzo 2013

meh

rlarno | 28 marzo 2013

Excellent news!

This is the type of car I want to lease for my daily commutes. So the 185km range would be ideal. Would be even better if they get an EV A-Class.

The EU seems to be way behind in getting a decent EV car, the
BMW e-MINI & ActiveE were also only available in the USA.

Now only if Tesla would build such a car (in the EU).

dstiavnicky | 28 marzo 2013

This is excellent news for Tesla and I expect for MS owners. I hope Mercedes sells a ton of these and helps a) technology adoption, b) Tesla financially, and c) most importantly helps accelerate the need for Superchargers everywhere!

Brian H | 28 marzo 2013

B-Class is not Superchargable!

Bubba2000 | 29 marzo 2013

The range of the Mercedes EV is not enough to make between the SC that Tesla has planned. The MB EV is more for local use. It may make sense in EU where the price of gasoline is hi.

Kleist | 29 marzo 2013

Fast charging for the B class EV is 60 miles in 2 hrs... that is the same as you get from a 14-50 outlet with the MS.

Brian H | 29 marzo 2013

The smaller the battery, the slower the mi/hr charging.

RanjitC | 29 marzo 2013

The smaller the country the smaller the battery.

rlarno | 1 aprile 2013

The smaller the country, the faster you are outside of it ;-)

As a citizen from Belgium, we often if not always go on holidays in another country. That usually entails a trip of 500-1000km drive to get to our destination. Skiing in Austria, France, Swiss, even Italy. Summer holidays in the south of France, in Italy or even in Spain. These are no exceptions.

So I see absolutely no reason why the Merc would not be allowed/capable of Supercharging (especially with Elon's Easter Egg announcement that every Tesla has the SC hardware on board and anyone can choose to enable it) Since the SC works and communicates directly with the batterypack, and it is more cost effective to have and build 1 battery system, just vary the capacity, I assume SC capability will be available for every type of car that uses TM's tech.

dstiavnicky | 2 aprile 2013

I think the Merc and Toyota coming up will both be able to technically use the Superchargers. The difference is, these will be licensed, factory installed upgrades. This angle will provide another source of revenue to Tesla.

Let's face it. Adapting electricity using compatible connectors is infinitely simpler than going from gasoline to diesel fuel.

Benz | 9 aprile 2013

It has not been unveiled how big the battery pack is (in kWh).

Benz | 9 aprile 2013

@ Jolinar

Thanks for the link. In other articles they did not mention it, and that was a bit strange to me.

This car looks good to me (for people who do not need much range). Let's see what the price will be.

ArieK | 10 aprile 2013

@rlarno: How about a sweet deal with Mercedes? You want the B-class to be allowed to charge at our SC stations? You build them for us / pay us to build them where we want to. Everybody wins!

ghillair | 10 aprile 2013

@rlarno @ArieK

Supercharging does not make sense for the Mercedes. Supercharging is to allow long distance travel between cities. With a 28kWh battery the Mercedes is strictly a in-city car.

To be able to supercharge the car must have extra, special wiring to bypass the onboard charger. Rather than spent the money for that spent the money on a bigger battery.

Brian H | 10 aprile 2013

A 28 or 60 or 85 kWh take the same time to charge at SCs; it's a percentage/hr deal, not an absolute kW/hr feed. So the lower cap batteries take just as long but more often, and so clog the system.

Benz | 11 aprile 2013

@ ghillair

"With a 28kWh battery the Mercedes is strictly a in-city car."

Correct.

Many people most of the time need only a in-city car for daily commute.

It will be interesting to see how much the price is going to be.

rlarno | 11 aprile 2013

Even with it having the limited range, I still see no reason why the MB B would not be allowed/capable to SC.

Daimler (MB) and Tesla have a strategic partnership: http://www.teslamotors.com/de_CH/about/press/releases/strategic-partners...

So they can share the same Tech. Developing a new system would require much more resources than using the same tech. So by sharing the same tech, they can reduce the cost/unit.

Only time will tell, but I would imagine MB & Tesla sharing the SC network. At the moment though the SC network will remain exclusive for TM as they need this, because it is a huge selling point for the Model S.

Benz | 11 aprile 2013

@ rlarno

I expect that this 2014 Mercedes Benz B Class Electric Drive will not be able to be charged using a Supercharger. Otherwise, they already would have announced it already. And this would surely be big news.

What could very well be possible is that after a few years (2016?) Mercedes Benz and Tesla together decide to make changes to the some parts of the power train hardware of the Mercedes Benz B Class Electric Drive (other battery pack, other charger, other wires etc.), so that it in the future can be made possible to charge using the Supercharger.

But this will require a more closer business relation between Daimler and Tesla.

Brian H | 11 aprile 2013

rharno, Benz;
One thing to note is that the CHAdeMO installations will be far more common, in and outside of cities, and will deliver all the charge the B-class can handle. It would be a severe strain on the SC net to make it accessible to other maker's cars. Note also that it takes as long to recharge a little MB battery as a big TM battery at an SC: the DC system will max out at the rate the pack can handle, which means it still takes an hour to recharge the tiny 28kWh B-battery. The CHAdeMO can handle that just as fast.

Brian H | 11 aprile 2013

typo: rlarno, Benz;

Benz | 11 aprile 2013

@ Brian H

With "other battery pack" I actually meant a battery pack with enough kWh capacity (60/85/100) so that it would make sense to be charged at a Supercharger. I should have been more precised about this. But at the moment it does not look very likely that this will happen any time soon. The business relation between Tesla and Daimler has to be taken to a very different level than it is now on.

Benz | 14 aprile 2013

I just learned that the price will be starting at around 60,000 USD. This is much more than I was expecting it would be.

Here is the link of the video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AccmX67tJJM

Tesluthian | 14 aprile 2013

People will still buy a few because of the Mercedes name.

Benz | 14 aprile 2013

@ Tesluthian

That is true, and that is good as well, because every EV on the road means that it has been bought instead of an ICE.

Tesluthian | 14 aprile 2013

@Benz

And every sale means a battery sale for Tesla.

Benz | 14 aprile 2013

@ Tesluthian

The battery pack and the rest of the electric powertrain as well, I think. But you are right, it is good for Tesla Motors as well.

Kleist | 14 aprile 2013

Benz - thanks for the video. $60k for the B class makes the 60 kWh MS look cheap.

kawaiia | 4 marzo 2014

Digging up a one year old thread…

MB B Class EV will launch this summer with pricing comparative to BMW i3. With the Tesla core wrapped in a MB shell, it may be the most affordable Tesla until Model E arrives. My ICE is close to end of life and we can’t afford a 2nd MS. I’m seriously considering the B Class EV as my ICE replacement.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140303/CARREVIEWS/140229984

Range: 90 miles
Seats Five
28kw battery
251 lbs ft torque
174 hp
0-62 in 7.9 sec

Brian H | 4 marzo 2014

Run flats are standard. Interesting.

jordanrichard | 5 marzo 2014

This won't be available in all 50 states. When I looked into getting the MS85, I looked at worse case scenrio when it came to range. Meaning, how far from my house can I go out and back, with out having to stop and charge. For the MS85 that's 132 miles. For the MS60 that is 103 miles. Using the same logic, this $60K (before options) B-Class EV can only go 57 miles.

As I said, this car is not going to be available in all states. I believe there are only 8 states that they will sell this car. This is just another compliance car. It doesn't cost them anything exta to ship them to all 50 states, since they have cars going to all 50 states anyways. So why only sell it in 8 selected states....

Don't get me wrong, it certainly benefits Tesla (economies of scale for the bat. packs). It also raises awareness of EVs, but at the same time it hurts EVs. Since this B-Class will bee seen at actual dealerships, and same holds true for BMWs i3, it will get more exposure. What the general public will see is the typical road block to EVs and that is the cost vs the range. This will just further entrench what the general public knows about EVs. For just about the same money as this B-Class, one could get a MS60 with nearly twice the range. However, the general public doesn't know that.

Brian H | 5 marzo 2014

jordan;
keep in mind that TM sells the MS as fast as it can make them. Word-of-mouth awareness is growing plenty fast, and is a market driver other mfrs would die for.

Bubba2000 | 5 marzo 2014

The i3 is better car compared to the MB B-EV. Most folks want the option to take long trips and with the MB, it means a rental or a second car... can not use Superchargers. The i3 offers the optional ICE.

data02 | 22 ottobre 2014

Daimler-MB Owner Sells Its 4% Stake In Tesla Motors for $780 mil. and Reorganizes Cooperation
http://en.tesla-club.eu/articles

data02 | 22 ottobre 2014

I think it is more just about return on investment and big provision for Daimler board who arranged the invesment (it was really a big deal!)

primetime98 | 22 ottobre 2014

I just priced a MB B-Class and it's a little over 50 with most of the major options. Without the extender the battery lasts just over 80 miles. It's not bad, but it's not a Tesla. The range extender only adds 15 miles, whereas the BMW i3 doubles the miles so that it goes close to 200 miles, between fully charged and with gas. Can't wait for my X. Tick-tock, tick-tock...

juttajxwa | 22 ottobre 2014

The news is very old.

carlgo | 22 ottobre 2014

Think of the typical family with one or two cars that are used for local commutes, picking up the kids at school, taking them to baseball practice, stopping off at the store, going to the golf course a couple of times a month, etc. A 100 mile range is fine for a lot of people.

And you will be good with the MB "stripper" at $42K because how many options are needed for 20 minute excursions?

If you want to go on a long trip, and most people only do this a coupe of times a year, simply rent a nice ICE car. Lots of people rent luxury cars for their vacation trips anyway if their own car is small or old or on a lease.

Those who have long commutes, take frequent long trips and have access to Superchargers on the routes they routinely take would do well with a Tesla S.