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Trip Washington DC to Florida

Trip Washington DC to Florida

Left DC at 1pm with 240 miles of projected range. Ran into some heavy traffic on I-95 South. it is nice to sit not using energy.
The plan is to travel approximately 150 miles between charges and arrive in Florida in 2 days

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STEVEZ | 22 dicembre 2012

Have a safe trip, and let us know how you're coming along. Where are your charge stops?

My5bAby | 22 dicembre 2012

Ok, here we go. As I said before the specific plan is to travel roughly 150 miles between charges. I have mapped out chargepoint or other J-1772 charging stations. However, I have twin chargers and after reading that many stations are limited to 30 amps, an alternative is to stop at rv sites because most offer 50 amps.
Just stopped at the K.O.A. In Fredericksburg, less than half the sites were filled and was offered $49.00 to charge for 3 hours. I of course said think you very much and continued on my way because I have 171 miles left of charge and the pre- planned chargepointi is 45 miles away.

My5bAby | 22 dicembre 2012

By the way Fredricksburg, Virginia and I have called all the pre-planned destination chargepoints to ensure their functionality.

JohnQ | 22 dicembre 2012

Good luck with the long trip. Hope your charge sites work out for you.

$50 for 3 hours sounds steep for the 90 or so miles of charge you would get. Have others experienced similar pricing at RV campgrounds?

My5bAby | 22 dicembre 2012

Extremely variable. Right now I'm 3 miles down the road, right outside Richmond Virginia at Richmond North Americamps KOA campground. The owners were extremely enthusiastic. They have had Teslas here before. they did not even want any money. I gave $10 because of their support of our community.

This is part of the reason for this blog. Things can be so variable, I think it's important to know we're we can go. Oh and by the way I will not have to stop at the chargepoint. And I'm connected to 240/40amp getting 26 to 27 mph charge.

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adlink | 22 dicembre 2012

Thanks for posting your experiences, as you well know it will be helpful to many of us until the supercharge network is built out. I hope you are also familiar with the Plugshare site which provides a list map of charges including private residences which will allow you to charge at their homes. Also, in the filter section you can add a filter forTesla chargers. FYI, Marriott Hotels are starting to get on board and I've been told if you ask they will make every effort to let you charge while you stay overnight.

Good luck and keep the posts coming.....

Angelia
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My5bAby | 22 dicembre 2012

Back on the road again. Charged to 195 mile range, passing thru Richmond, VA. right now. Thanks for the information Angelia. While I think the super chargers are incredible, I am truly going to try to save them for emergencies only. I have come to the conclusion that I rush to much in my life. I am setting cruise control for no more than 55 mph and using time at rest stops to read, call friends or quality time. Driving does not always have to be about speed. 90+ % of the other cars on the road can not compete with the raw performance of the Model S. I know it but there is no need to show it.

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KevinR.co.us | 22 dicembre 2012

Thanks for the blog. Good to hear about Marriott too. I'm planning Colorado to NJ in the late Spring (& expecting the vehicle any day now)

My5bAby | 22 dicembre 2012

Well, really tired. Unfortunately did not make it to a camp site before it closed and the EV j-1772 is Nissan and will not be available until business hours. Stopped at a hotel. Unfortunately, due to the holiday, parking even by a 110v outlet was not possible. Although I consider stop time without charging, missed oportunity, I still have 100 miles left on battery and the campsite is roughly 5 miles away, the Nissan is roughly 10. So all in all, safe & warm.

An adventure in Emporia VA.

p2576

iholtzman | 22 dicembre 2012

Thanks for sharing your story. I think we should have a website where fellow Tesla owners could stop and charge up when passing through town. I live in Glenview IL and my office is in Northbrook IL and I have a 240 volt 40 amp outlet at each location and would be happy to share them with any Tesla owner at no charge! Safe Travels and Happy Holidays!
Ira

iholtzman | 22 dicembre 2012

FYI 240 volts X 40 amps = 9.6 kW to figure how much it costs to charge per hour just determine how much you pay per kWh to your electric company. I pay about 8 cents per kWh including delivery and taxes in the Chicago area but let's assume it was 15 cents at the campground so the formula is as follows 9.6kW for one hour = 9.6kWh x 15 cents per kWh = $1.44 per hour x 3 hours = $4.32 Based on this formula I'd say $49 is absurd!

By the way Teala says with a single charger figure 10kW per hour as a general rule of thumb when plugged into a 240 volt nema 14-50.

Hope this helps.

Ira

Brian H | 23 dicembre 2012

Ira;
No charge? Where are all those volts and amps going then? ;)

My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

Good morning.

Well the message is plan plan plan, back up plans. I'm looking at the nearest campsite and they ofer a cabin for $91. My hotel Mariott cost $99, Had I called ahead or gotten there in time I could have slept to awake to a full charge instead of waking up early worried about the car. I went out to check it and I'm glad I did. The temp outside dropped to 29 degrees. The charge dropped from roughly 100 miles to 70 in 5 hours. I noticed a gas station with in view of my room in the hotel. They have a 110v outlet. I plugged the car in, waited with it a while to make sure everything is OK. Now back in the warm hotel room awake keeping watch on the car. I did not want to plug in without asking first but with the temperature being so cold and the charge dropping I felt it was worth the risk of pissing someone off.

Beautiful sunrise.

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joey | 23 dicembre 2012

My 60 kw # p65 still has no delivery window, but for a month i have had a 240v 50 amp outlet at my home and one at my business. Our business is Kudzu Bakery in Georgetown S.C. 120 King Street, just off Hwy 17 between Myrtle beach and Charleston. We are in a small historic town with several B and Bs, restaurants, antique shops within walking distance. We would welcome fellow Tesla travellers and agree a website should exist to list and maybe rate charging possibilities. If you are passing thru coastal South Carolina and need some electrons i can be reached at kudzubakery@gmail.com.

My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

I appreciate the offer and from the looks of it it there really does not appear to be an increase in distance. I just may take you up on the offer.

From the Marriott hotel I could see the gas station had opened. I walked over to explain the situation and the cashier had no problem with me plugging in at all and was impressed by the Model S.

All is good.

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My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

OK :-) Roanoke rapids NC ! I'm at a place called the RV Resort at Carolina crossroads. Exit 171. These guys are great. Could have rented a cabin last night for $70 and had a full charge this am. by the way Yogi Bear Jellystone near Emporia was almost hostile. "no we don't do that then they hung up".

So will be hear in the sun for the nex 4-5 hours, charging 245v 40amps 28mph then continue with the trip.

p2576

bobinfla | 23 dicembre 2012

Not sure where in Florida you're aiming for, but I'm a little bit North of Tampa about 8 miles off of I-75. My electrician is due here in about 20 minutes to install my NEMA 14-50, and you would be more than welcome to be the first to use it. I'm still waiting for the call-email-button with my VIN and final paperwork any second-hour-day now, so it will be quite available for use.

rmacchi1@tampabay.rr.com

Earl and Nagin ... | 23 dicembre 2012

All (and joey in particular)
There are 3 charging websites that I recommend all EV drivers make use of both to list and to find charging sites. They are:
www.plugshare.com
www.recargo.com
www.carstations.com
Each have their pros and cons and I don't consider any to be perfect. For folks wishing to list a charging site, I highly recommend listing on all 3 (they are free to list). I also recommend that drivers check in when they use sites so that the rest of us gain some confidence that they are still working.
When you use an RV park, I highly recommend you ask the owners if it is ok for you to list them. Most are very happy with the idea.

nickjhowe | 23 dicembre 2012
My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

That is exactly what I've been doing. The power (electric) is out there we just need to educate people regarding what we are doing and that they can make money from short stops as we save money and the planet.

I am however focusing on RV sites for this trip because of the higher amps than the j-1772.

I understand during camping season it may be more difficult but if we are also flexible and perhaps say "look, don't reserve the site even while I'm there if someone with an RV shows up and wants I drive away". Perhaps we can have access even during the bus season.

p2576

My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

@joey

Probably would not be able to get there until around 11pm.

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My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

We are just heading to Jacksonville, Fl for Christmas then will be returning Northbound again.

drp | 23 dicembre 2012

My5bAby

Thank you very much for taking the time to do this trip. I see the worries that I have had are not unfounded. We really need Tesla to step-up the Supercharge system outside of CA. I live west of Chicago and can't realistically make a trip to North of Detroit. I love to be green and expect this will improve as we all install our home chargers. I too plan to make mine available to travelers, although there is a Tesla store also nearby and those of you on the expressway will likely stop there for a quick fill-up. How quickly do the Chargepoint stops really fill with twin chargers and how much does it cost? I dont plan to pay $50, not the kind of "green" I plan on being so I would like to start a blog or forum or on-line directory of Tesla owners who will allow charge for donation arrangement. I am in Naperville IL. 3 minuntes off I88, 15 miles off I294, 20 minutes off I80.
Anyone know if this has already been setup?
John

anthonytesla | 23 dicembre 2012

@My5bAby - thanks for sharing your trials and tribulations. I've been driving a Leaf for about 20 months and have only ventured a long distance once. It was fun for me, but not the wife :).

Not certain if you saw this link, but based on my experience with my Leaf, it is fairly accurate.

http://www.jurassictest.ch/GR/

Be sure to add your car to the list and add your passengers and other details (speed, other electronics, etc).

Side comment about charging stations. In Southern California, I see lots of Volts and Plug in Prius's using them "all day". It gets very frustrating when they've got petrol to get them home....

Highly interested in your "great adventure". Waiting for final paper work and delivery of my Model S (they promised tomorrow, but that doesn't seem likely at this point as "tomorrow" has been promised daily since last Monday).

My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

Sorry guys I forgot to mention that I left. I am now in Wade North Carolina at a KOA (they asked for $5 I gave $10 to charge for three hours) They are extremely supportive. I plan to stay for three hours before final leg of today's travels. I will be going into South Carolina for the night and should be able to charge over night so I can hit the road in the morning. Up to now I have been doing standard charges. However because I'm behind schedule, I will range charge overnight to ensure that I make it to Jacksonville with minimal time.

Thank you everyone for your input.

Oh yea, driving no more than 60 mile/hour with heavy regen and cruise control. The rated range is extremely accurate driving this way.

I have not stoped at a Chargepoint yet. That may happen tonight.

p2576

hsadler | 23 dicembre 2012

Really enjoying this trip account. On another note.... I contacted Marriott about charging capabilities and got this..

Thank you for contacting Marriott. We appreciate the opportunity to provide you with information.

Marriott currently have eight hotels that offer electric car charging stations, they are as follows:

Courtyard Oxnard Ventura – Oxnard, CA (2 stations)

JW Marriott Desert Springs Resort & Spa – Palm Desert, CA (3 stations)

Renaissance Los Angeles Airport Hotel – Los Angeles, CA (2 stations)

Renaissance Esmeralda Resort & Spa Indian Wells – Indian Wells, CA (2 stations)

San Francisco Airport Marriott – San Francisco, CA (2 stations)

Torrance Marriott South Bay – Torrance, CA (2 stations)

Residence Inn Orlando Lake Mary – Lake Mary, FL (2 stations)

Courtyard Hadley Amherst – Hadley, MA (1 station)

Residence Inn Charlotte Concord – Concord, NC (4 stations)

The Ritz-Carlton Charlotte – Charlotte, NC (1 station)

JW Marriott Las Vegas Resort & Spa – Las Vegas, NV (1 station)

Copenhagen Marriott - Copenhagen, Denmark (1 station)

Thank you for choosing Marriott.

DouglasR | 23 dicembre 2012

Since we've broadened the topic a bit, I would mention two things about charging on road trips.

First, as nice as the SC network will be, I think we also need to lobby for more charging opportunities in hotels, motels, and other overnight lodging establishments. I was a bit shocked at how limited the choices are, whether along the road or at my destination. If the Model S is to serve as a road trip vehicle, we need plentiful overnight charging facilities as well as superchargers.

Second, I am cross posting the following comment I made in the General forum (I rarely look at that forum, and posted there only because I had volkerized the topic). My comment concerns my desire for a CHAdeMO adapter:

I have been driving my 85 kWh Model S over various routes in the state of Washington, trying to scope out how easy or hard it will be to take road trips. I can tell you that a CHAdeMO adapter would make a MAJOR difference to the usability of the Model S for travel beyond its home base. This is true because of both the ubiquity of CHAdeMO charge stations and the time it will take to deploy the supercharger network. On several occasions, I have wanted to extend my drive or take an alternate route, but have been unable to do so because I didn't have the range and didn't want to wait several hours to add 50 or 75 miles at a standard Level 2 charge station. Yet in each case, there was an available CHAdeMO station that would have satisfied this need. The SC network won't be operational in Washington for a year or two, but even when it is, it will probably not cover the state the way CHAdeMO stations do now. I would happily pay $1,000 or more for a CHAdeMO adapter.

My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

Thank you both for your comments.

@ DouglasR

It would appear that some issues are regional. I lived in Seattle for 3 years. I'm from the Mid Atlantic East coast. During this trip the issue has not been the type of connection. It has been the availability of any connection at all. Unfortunately a lot of the j-1772 are associated with car dealerships which are closed for the weekend & holiday.

This will be a work in progress and I imagine it will somewhat follow the progression of WiFi. Remember when we had to ask if it was available in a facility? It seemed like within 1 year it became ubiquitous.

Part of the issue is none of the other cars are range capable. At best people with hybrids are not going to make a decision about where to stay or go based on availability to charge. The Model S is the first EV to make long distance trips feasible & possible.

p2576

lolachampcar | 23 dicembre 2012

I'm going to take a general stab at this so please use it as a starting point for discussion only.

SuperChargers use ten of Tesla's modular charger to provide DC current through the Tesla charge connector (normally AC flows through this connector to one (or two) on board 10KW chargers.
The Tesla chargers handle the constant current to constant voltage transition and thus manage the charge profile to fit the Panasonic cells.
I suspect the SuperChargers will only provide a standard charge and that the standard charge only deals with the constant current portion of the charge cycle. I do not remember the percentage split on Lion technology but it is somewhere around 92% constant current followed by 8% constant voltage. Please do not shoot me if I'm off base here; just correct me.

The moral for me is that Tesla uses their proprietary chargers to manage the charge process.

To use CHAdeMO, something on the car side would need to speak to the CHAdeMO device using CAN (Controller Area Network or Car Area Network depending upon who you ask) to manage the DC current provided by the CHAdeMO device. This means the CHAdeMO adaptor would require the charge management portion of the Tesla charger together with a CHAdeMO interface layer speaking though CAN. Tesla has the charger code and I would think their chargers already use CAN to speak to the car and each other. That leaves writing a CHAdeMO interface layer and building the bespoke hardware.

As nice as it would be to have, I think you are looking to the secondary market for this bit.

Sudre_ | 23 dicembre 2012

I think Tesla's problem with CHAdeMO fast charging is Tesla will have to trust the charger manufacturer with their battery. When you plug into an A/C source the power is controlled through Tesla's on board charger... happy safe battery. When you dump DC directly into the battery there is no protection. If the CHAdeMO charger screws up for whatever reason the battery gets damaged or it's life span gets reduced and Tesla is on the hook for the warranty not the charger manufacturer.

I don't know if there is a $1000 solution at that kind of high power when we are talking DC. It seems to me that somehow it would have to buffer the power check to make sure it is safe then pass it on to the car. Very large capacitor.

I also wonder how much of a fee CHAdeMO wants to use their patents. Last I heard it was 20K just to have permission to make the charger. (that was 2010) So not only will you have to pay for the device but Tesla will tack on the patent licensing fee too.

My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

Well I'm about to leave wade NC. Heading for Georgetown SC. The car has been charging at a rate of 30mph. It is a little cool so I just turned on the seats to level 1 and the climate control to 75 degrees to prepair for the trip. On that note to be honest I have to say that temperature may be a factor in when you charge and drive. For example it is winter and so charging a night, and driving during the day when the sun can heat the passenger cabin allows me to save energy. When summer comes around, charging during the warmest part of the day and driving before and after sunset should do the same, but in reverse.

p2576.

My5bAby | 23 dicembre 2012

Just arrived, Georgetown South Carolina !

Very tired. Good night.

p2576

Brian H | 24 dicembre 2012

hsadler;
Very nice response from Marriott. But I wouldn't trust them; they can't even count! They listed 12 hotels, not 8.

;)

Earl and Nagin ... | 24 dicembre 2012

Before I go off-topic, I want to congratulate My5bAby for the courage to venture cross country before the SC network is there for support.
To follow up on the CHAdeMO issue. My understanding is that there is a grounding issue with CHAdeMO that is problematic and makes it incompatible with the SAE and Tesla standards. Some sort of ground isolation would be needed to allow a CHAdeMO charger to work. Ground isolating DC is a tough thing to do and would require a fairly expensive and heavy set of equipment.
Tesla originally tried, however, to make their charging systems electrically compatible with where the SAE was going so, if SAE DCFCs ever get deployed in large numbers, an adapter should be possible. At least one dual-standard CHAdeMO/SAE DCFC was deployed recently between Tucson and Phoenix, AZ so they are starting to roll out. However, since there are no cars being manufactured today that support it, I suspect the rollout will be slow.

Jolinar | 24 dicembre 2012

Cross country traveling without fast charging options is not much feasible for majority of our population. My5bAby is probably adventurer, but most people wouldn't do it.

10kW is too slow for big majority, 20kW (4 hours charging) is much better but still quite difficult to swallow for many, 50kW like CHAdeMO is much better but still takes around 2 hours to charge - even this option wouldn't meet requirements of my friends.

I was enjoying reading this thread, but I have to look at it with bit of perspective and I can say that 50kW is for some (like me), but 100kW charging is minimum for most people.

Only enthusiasts are willing to use 10 or 20kW charging, it's sad but it's true. If I tell my friend that charging on the trip would take 4 hours they are looking at me if I am not sick. I am enthusiast, but I would have bit problem to make such a trip as My5bAby. Once or twice a year maybe, but every month or two? No way.

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

Well car was fully charged, rated range 271 (range mode) 3 miles more than at delivery. Will enter Georgia in less than 2 hours :-)

p2576

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

@ jolinar

I will admit that I just crossed into Georgia and have an adventurous spirit, that said I honestly never imagined taking this trip. I did not know that I would get my car so quickly. I had already taken a week off of work. I thought to myself when I first get this car, for the first week or so I would want to spend as much time with the car as possible. I could either do this driving aimlessly around town or staring at the car in the garage, or test the only limit which is finding places to charge and managing charge time. So, the logical course of action given that I already had the time off, in my opinion, was/is to use the pre planned time to make this trip with the Model S. To your point I am a risk taker, I picked the car up Saturday the 22nd, ate some food and immediately started on this journey.

For me this is the bottom line. I may make this trip once a year but right as of this moment, I humbly suggest that I have learned more about how to do things with this car than most people will have learned in months. I am more confident and enthusiastic about the Model S. Hopefully this posting will make reservation holders as well as doubters more confident also. I have already talked about using recharge time as a time to relax. It is a new way of thinking and being.

Take time and smell roses.

P2576

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

PS. Anyone who put down $5,000 to reserve this car before July is at least somewhat at least a risk taker.

P2576

lph | 24 dicembre 2012

MyA5bAby, I think that what you are doing is great!
Would it not be great to have most hotels install NEMA 14-50 or better outlets. At 10 kw the car would be charged over night just as you have demonstrated (I think). I don't know about you but when I travel I am at a hotel for at least 9 hours over night and that is enough for a full charge. Hotels probably won't need to install anything better than 10kw chargers to be really useful, however, anything less would be silly.
This would be a real selling point for hotels .. a great business plan to get all EV travelers to stay at your hotel. Just doing that would allow S85 owners to travel 240 or so miles a day. Personally I would be happy with that if I had more vacation time.
However, for most, it would still be important to have strategically located superchargers for the midday charge. Is that why Tesla is not locating these away from the metro areas? Doing this would easily get 400+ miles on average per day and could possibly do 550 miles or so. Any more than that is not much fun, at least for me.

lph | 24 dicembre 2012

Sorry ... I should had said "Tesla is locating these away.."

noel.smyth | 24 dicembre 2012

My5bAby +1 I applaud you for taking this journey and I have to admit I am a bit jealous. Thanks for sharing the learnings along the way.

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

@lph

Exactly. I mentioned what my plan was earlier. Unfortunately I ran into traffic and that blew the timing.

Leave house in the morning with full charge 270 miles
Drive 150 miles 3 hours.
Stop with 120 miles remaining, eat shop while charging for 3 hours on NEMA 14-50 adds 90 miles range
Leave with 240 miles
Drive 150 miles 3 hours
Stop at hotel

Total drive time 6 hours, total daytime charging 3 hours, total travel time including sitting while charging 9 hours
Total distance covered 300 miles.

Sleep in Hotel and wake to full charge 270

WIthout the traffic and learning issues the trip to Florida from Washington DC ideally would take 48 hours and be rather comfortable.

Repeat the above.

p2576

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

While stopping to grab a bite to eat on route 17,50 miles from Savannah, noticed Point South KOA. The owners were very accommodating. Left campground bought food returned to charge for 1 hour while eating, paying bills online, making phone calls and blogging.

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My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

ps

The owner did some calculation then asked for $2, I gave 3.

p2576

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

Entering Savannah, Georgia.

We just passed a Tesla fan on the highway who were very excited and waved their Tesla shirts at us.

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My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

Stopped at Hilton International airport to top off and do some Christmas shopping. The j-1772 is sending 210v @ 30amps for a charge rate of 19 miles per hour. The cost of charging is the cost of parking $1.00 per hour.

So this is in line with what others have said. Regarding j-1772. What is great is there are 4 stations available 24/7. I am the only car there.

p2576

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

We are now entering Florida with over 750 miles covered.

Also, The Model S was enthusiatically recognized by a second car that zoomed by us then braked to take pictures of us cruising down the freeway. This was among the several others we have noticed staring at us throughout the trip.

On our trip back we will continue this post with the expectation of a much easier journey in less than 48 hours.

p2576

teddyg | 24 dicembre 2012

Thanks for the trip log My5baby...was quite disappointed to see that the car lost 30 miles of range in just 5 hours by merely sitting in cold temperatures...obviously the battery thermal management system uses A LOT of power just keeping the batteries warm.
Previously I was going off the following article in terms of battery drain when parked:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57384571-76/tesla-you-cant-brick-model...

In it Tesla claims that if you had a 50% charge in the car and left it parked (without being plugged in) it would take a FULL YEAR to discharge compeletely or "brick"...obviously they meant that it MIGHT take a year if the car sat in ideal room temperature conditions the entire time.

As a result of the article I have been telling friends/family in Canada that there would be no problem with the car in extremely cold temperatures...I can see now that I was wrong.

What if someone parks the car at an airport to go on holiday for a few weeks to escape the bitter Canadian winter?
At the rate of discharge you speak of in cold weather the car could be "bricked" in just two days if left in sub-zero temperatures!
I guess I should have read done a bit more research but the article above really should have said that the discharge rate was temperature dependant.

That thermal managment system for the batteries must really draw a LOT of power! Hopefully Tesla can make some improvements here as time goes on...all those Norwegians leading Europe in reservations may be a bit shocked how much range their Tesla could lose if parked outside in an extremely cold Norwegian winter!

I know Nickel Metal Hyride batteries didn't need a thermal management system at all because they could tolerate extreme cold/heat...I doubt we will go back to Nickel but perhaps there is something to be learned there in terms of Lithium's sensitivity to temperature...we all talk about increases in battery capacity as being the place where improvements need to be made but I think the temperature sensitivity of Lithium is also a major issue and hopefully one that can be addressed more quickly than battery capacity increases.

Still a HUGE fan of Tesla but this will be a blow for people in cold climates.

My5bAby | 24 dicembre 2012

@teddyg

While certain aspects of your point are well taken, perhaps two issues should be given some consideration;

1. After having the car plugged into a 110v 12amp outlet for 4 hours not only was the decline halted, but 2 miles of range were obtained. Point being that 110 will not only protect the car but still add range albeit slowly.

2. There is a level where the battery goes into "survival" mode. I do not think that threshold was crossed. Therefore linear assumptions regarding loss of charge from my example would probably be found to be inaccurate.

I understand in certain areas of Alaska, during certain cold seasons ICE vehicles have to be plugged in or they will not function.

Bottom line, I mentioned it because it was a part of my experience and is important know.

teddyg | 25 dicembre 2012

I take your point that in some extremely cold climates cars need to be plugged in anyway...so nothing new there.
And I guess in cold climates you could just have a friend/family member drop you off/pick you up from the airport or simply take a taxi and make sure you leave your car PLUGGED IN when you are away.

But what about if there is a power outage? i remember a few years back there was a lengthy outage in Quebec...would Tesla's in Canada all be bricked if the power went out for two/three days in winter? Seems like a scary thought! What coverage would the car owner or Tesla have here if this were to occur?

I am really more concerned about weather or not Tesla is being honest about the battery draw in cold climates?
Did they explain this clearly to you when purchasing the car?
Is there a chart in the owners manual regarding how much battery draw will occur in certain temperatures so that owners can plan accordingly to ensure they don't brick their cars?..if not Tesla can expect lawsuits if people have not been provided with the correct information and they end up bricking.

The info in the article above I read was certainly misleading and unless told otherwise I would have left my Tesla unplugged when on holiday because of it.

Bottom line even if it means losing a sale Tesla must be completely honest with people as to what they can expect in all temperatures.

Really hope this issue can be addressed long term with better battery chemistry/ insulation of the cells/ etc. I had heard A123 was on to a lithium cell that was not affected by temperature...but I'm not sure if this was just hype they put out to stave off bankruptcy.

Because Tesla is using laptop cells that are not designed for wide ranging operating temperatures maybe when EV's start being mass produced new cells can be better designed and thermal management systems can be made to be more efficient. I am sure progress will be made.

Won't put me off a Tesla here but may make my friends/family think twice in Canada...hopefully by Gen III progress in this area will have been made.

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