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ChaDeMo Adapter Rentals

I can't really justify spending $1000 for a ChaDeMo charging adapter that I might use once or twice a year. Perhaps Tesla should consider renting these? I already suggested this to ownership. As the supercharger network expands further and further the need for a ChaDeMo adapter diminishes. Perhaps others might also suggest this to Ownership? In my case it would be cheaper for me to rent a car than to buy the adapter.

brooklynrab | 9 febbraio 2014

+1.
I haven't pressed the order button yet, but am pretty much committed to getting a P85 soon (just waiting for more certainty on blind spot detectors).
I am planning a trip this summer from NY to Durham, NC (Duke) to pick up one of my kids from a summer program there, and then on to Charlotte/Matthews to see my brother and his family. Superchargers most of the way, but that is good if you are going in a straight line. Any "loiter time", i.e., around town driving at a place we stop, like hitting 4 bbq places in an afternoon in Lexington (I am a BBQ judge, so I feel I owe it to my craft to do so), or overnight where a charger (even a 110 volt) isn't available, becomes a drain on my range that the Supercharger spacing doesn't take into account. Near my brother in Matthews, the state has installed a CHAdeMo Level 3 charger which would really help with range anxiety. But $1,000 to buy a CHAdeMo converter is silly. I live two miles from a Tesla service center in White Plains, and would gladly pay ($50? $75?) to rent a CHAdeMo adapter from them for this trip, as insurance against range anxiety. Until there are hundreds of Superchargers across the country, Tesla should really rent these out to us. They went with a proprietary standard for good reason, but now they have to help us take advantage of the CHAdeMO force multiplier-- $1000 "or else" isn't right.

Pricee2 | 9 febbraio 2014

Rather then renting adapters I sent a comment to the Supercharger group suggesting they partner with the public charging networks to provide the adapters at select charging stations. For the cost of one Supercharger installation they could add adapters to 50 or more public chargers. It would actually work best if the adapter hardware were inside the charger cabinet and just have two cables on the post, one CHAdeMo and one for Teslas. The added hardware cost would be paid buy Tesla. The power and maintenance cost would be paid by the charging network. Seems like they would get a lot of bang for the buck this way. This would add charging locations along alternate routes, and at destinations, for all Tesla S, X and future models in places that are not likely to get a Supercharger for a long time , if ever.

I can't justify $1000 for something I am not sure I would ever need.

negarholger | 9 febbraio 2014

People on this forum have been screaming, begging, etc... for a ChaDemo adapter and now that it is almost available the mood swings to "I am not sure if I can justify it". Thanks guys. I'll rent you mine for $250 a week or $75 a day.
For the US except the NW ChaDemo was never very useful, Japan and Europe is a different story.

DTsea | 10 febbraio 2014

In the Pacific NW though they would be really useful... Nobody expected it to be $1000, @kleist- I think people figured it would be more like a plug adapter ($50-100).

GeekEV | 10 febbraio 2014

@DTsea - Then those people were just pulling numbers out of their a**! It's been pretty well discussed here that there would need to be active circuitry to convert communication protocols and other significant electrical changes. Many of us knew it wouldn't be cheap, although $1,000 does seem a bit steep - I suppose it's not really when you consider the limited production volumes and the amount of engineering resources that went into developing it.

DTsea | 10 febbraio 2014

Sure. That's why it makes more sense as a device you rent when you need it, rather than buying it.

CalDreamin | 11 febbraio 2014

@DTsea, I recall that most cost estimates for the CHAdeMO adapter posted on the TMC forum ranged between $500 and $2000. So I'm not surprised that it's $1000.

Brian H | 11 febbraio 2014

CHAdeMO is a beast; at one point the word was that it wasn't worth the hassle of making an interface.

David W | 12 febbraio 2014

Brian,

Do you know anything about BC Hydro's plans for DC Fast Chargers? I've yet to see one, but I understand that they are CHAdeMO (only?) at the moment.

Brian H | 14 febbraio 2014

David;
I've been chasing down the info to answer you, but so far all I've discovered that there are L-3s operational, 12 planned by the end of March, 30 by about y/e. Awaiting an email by the mgr of PluginBC for more detail; he wasn't sure on the phone what the standards to be used were/are/will be.

Brian H | 14 febbraio 2014

typo: 5 L-3s operational ...

Jolinar | 14 febbraio 2014

yea, Tesla should release SuperCharger protocol so any 3rd party could do adapters (including CCS adapter and others) and charging stations. I really like idea of SuperChargers but really hate that closed protocol and specifications. Governments and companies are building hundreds/thousands of fast charging stations around world, but not even one of them is SuperCharger-like fast.

additional disclosure: I'm not invested in charging industry.

Brian H | 14 febbraio 2014

David;
No standards detail yet, but this general info so far:

SURREY – With the official opening of an electric vehicle fast-charging station at the Surrey Museum today, B.C. is well on its way to becoming the first province in Canada to provide electric vehicle drivers with a network of 13 direct current (DC) fast-charging stations.
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In addition to the Surrey station, fast-charging stations in Kamloops, Nanaimo, Duncan, Squamish and Merritt are now operational. The seven remaining stations are scheduled to be online by March 31, 2014.

David W | 16 febbraio 2014

Brian,

Thanks for looking into this. A month of two ago, I spent some time digging around on the web for some information on the BC Hydro DC fast chargers, and I seem to recall that the connector was CHAdeMO only at this time, but that they would add different connectors depending on how the market evolved . My interpretation of that was they were using CHAdeMO by default.

It would be great in BC Hydro and Tesla would work together so that a Telsa connector were added to the BC Hydro chargers. BC drivers would go from having 1 Tesla Supercharger "soon" + 4 more by "year end" to 5 existing (as listed as High Power Stations in BC on Plugshare) + a dozen more by year end.

Is it just me, or is it impossible to find an actual listing of BC Hydro DC fast chargers? I can find a press release from 17 Jan 2013 stating:
B.C. plugging in to electric vehicle fast chargers

The following locations have been identified for deploying DC fast chargers (the exact site location within a community could change, should the outcome of the engineering/electrical assessments currently underway warrant an alternate location):

Whistler - Conference Centre (4010 Whistler Way)
Squamish - Stan Clarke Park (2nd Ave., across from Municipal Hall)
Surrey - Surrey Museum (17710 - 56 Ave.)
Township of Langley - Langley Events Centre (7888 - 200 St.)
Saanich - Uptown Shopping Centre
Merritt - Merritt Tourism/Visitor Info Booth (2202 Voght St.)
Hope - Hope Visitor Centre (919 Water Ave., at the intersection of Highway 1 and Highway 5)
Cowichan Valley Regional District (Duncan) - Island Savings Centre (2687 James St.)
Nanaimo - Bastion Square (94 Front St.) or Vancouver Island Conference Centre (Gordon St.)
City of North Vancouver - Lower Lonsdale
District of North Vancouver - District of North Vancouver Operations Centre (Crown St.)
Vancouver - Telus World of Science (1455 Quebec St.)

One more location will be formalized over the coming weeks targeting installation by March 31, 2013, for a total of 13 stations.

Not mentioned is an existing BC Hydro DC Fast Charger in Kamloops.

One would thing that BC Hydro would list their chargers on a webpage.

David W | 16 febbraio 2014
Pricee2 | 16 febbraio 2014

David W did you mean March 31, 2014?

David W | 16 febbraio 2014

@Pricee2,

The press release stated 2013, but I'm not holding my breath!

I found a thread on mynissanleaf dealing with L3 chargers in BC:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=14048

Also, Vancouver Electric Vehicle Association (VEVA)
http://www.veva.bc.ca/chargepoints/index.php

L3 chargers are DC fast chargers, but they appear to by available in quite a power range (30kW to 135kw or more). Not sure what BC Hydro is installing.

If you are having a hard time falling to sleep, I've found another BC government press release for you from April 2012 ;). It mentions:
"The Province will also continue to grow the green highway from B.C. to California with three Level 3 DC Fast Charging Stations deployed in the coming months, and another 27 Level 3 DC Fast Charging Stations installed throughout the province in the future."
http://www2.news.gov.bc.ca/news_releases_2009-2013/2012ENV0015-000402.htm

Brian H | 18 febbraio 2014

I don't think a CHAdeMO charger can communicate directly with a Tesla connector, so it still requires the adapter. So no go, AFAIK.

David W | 18 febbraio 2014

@Brian,

What I was suggesting (hoping!) is that the BC Hydro DC fast chargers could have a Tesla connector added to them. If the CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter is going to be capable of handling the communications, why not build the adapter into BC Hydro chargers (either in the box, or as part of the added Tesla charge cable)? Surely it makes more sense to do that than to have everyone purchase, and carry, a CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter.

If BC Hydro were willing to let Tesla add the electronics/cable to their chargers, Tesla should be able to quickly(?) and, for considerably less money than a Supercharger (again ?), make a lot more fast chargers available to their customers.

The problem, as always, is non-standard standards!

Brian H | 18 febbraio 2014

Yeah, but the manager of PluginBC seemed "aware" of Tesla but completely clueless about the standards being used. I think they're just after the low-hanging fruit right now. We'll see.

Pricee2 | 19 febbraio 2014

+1 at David W. That is what I was trying to say in my earlier post. I would like to see BC Hydro and the other charging networks partner with Tesla to put the adapter hardware in the cabinet and have a separate cable for Tesla's on the post. I don't care to have $1000 items in or hanging from my car inviting theft. It appears to me to be to Tesla's benefit also as it would make a significant enhancement to the L3 charging locations available to Tesla owners for a much smaller investment than Supercharges. From a marketing standpoint it could be pointed out that in addition to the Supercharger locations a Tesla can also use the L3 chargers other EV's use.