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Republican on record supporting Tesla

Ron Paul: Tesla is looking to cut out the middle man when selling their revolutionary cars. Of course, some lobbyists and politicians are getting in the way of a move that could benefit the company, environment & you, the consumer.

http://www.ronpaulchannel.com/video/politicians-block-teslas-big-free-ma...

Blames powerful lobbyists and dealers - calls out NJ and TX as republican states with bans.

buddyroe | 8 aprile 2014

Ron Paul is simply an amazing man. 24 years of consistent voting in congress. He couldn't be bought. You might not have agreed with him, but you knew EXACTLY where he stood. Never voted to increase the debt ceiling. Never voted to fund any of the illegal wars. We missed our chance at a great president.

No way he should have ever had an 'R' or a 'D' by his name.

Red Sage ca us | 8 aprile 2014

Waitasec... Ron Paul is a Republican?

shop | 8 aprile 2014

I don't think Ron Paul would even call himself a Republican. He is a libertarian through and through.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

Ron Paul DOES call himself a Republican, and he is and has always been a member of the Republican party.

I wish more politicians would stand up for Tesla and call out the corrupt government for their illegal restrictions on trade. What common good is served, other than lining the pockets of dealer franchises and politicians?

So far, I think Ron Paul is the only one to speak out forcefully to support Tesla's right to sell cars directly to the consumer.

I can understand why Democrats oppose Tesla, and not surprised that Tesla gets no support from them. But why is Ron Paul the only Republican speaking out? Less government and less unnecessary regulation is a core Republican value.

buddyroe | 9 aprile 2014

Marco Rubio spoke out also.

But, I don't count him since Musk contributed to his campaign fund. That is just my rule of thumb.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101522333

J.T. | 9 aprile 2014

@buddyroe It's very possible that many auto manufacturers contributed to Rubio's campaign fund. The fact that Musk did as well shouldn't color everything Rubio says about Tesla.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

Surely Elon contributed to some Democrats. Did any of them speak out? Would like to see some support for Tesla from the other side of the aisle.

Unfortunately, hard to match the dollars from the auto dealers and other car companies. For every $1 they get from Tesla supporters, they likely get $10 (or more) from the other side.

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

buddy, the GOP almost crashed the world economy by not voting to raise the debt ceiling. Raising the debt ceiling is not voting for new spending, it's voting to paid the debts that the US has already incurred.

I do agree with him about lowering our military involvement, but do disagree with him about civil rights and women's rights. His policies are great for wealthy, white men. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just saying I see some problems with him.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

Sorry @daphne, but you are wrong. There was no need to raise the debt ceiling to pay our debts. There was plenty of cashflow to pay ALL debts, including interest on bonds.

But let's get back on topic - Tesla, and public support from politicians.

So far, there seem to be two well-known politicians with public statements in support of Tesla selling direct to consumers. Looking for more - there must be others.

lolachampcar | 9 aprile 2014

D and R labels are not helpful....
Tesla is a US company run by a South African immigrant building a high tech product that will contribute to solving real environmental issues. Being on the wrong side of that simply means you are incapable of making your own decisions or, put differently, your decisions are bought and paid for.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

Agreed. So far we have found 2 politicians on the right side of the issue - and as you put it, capable of making their own decision/not bought and paid for.

Surely there must be others.

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

I'll add Elizabeth Warren.

buddyroe | 9 aprile 2014

Daphne - The govt shut down for a couple of weeks and no one noticed a thing. Except for the intentional pain the administration tried to inflict (think Veteran's Memorial). We wouldn't have a nearly 18 trillion dollar debt if a few more politicians had the resolve of Ron Paul. Republicans called him the "No" representative because he routinely voted against everything. He understood the concept of "less govt". To most republicans, those are just words.

And what are you talking about policies toward minorities? Ron Paul spoke openly about the prejudice against minorities in our justice system (tho I didn't agree with him). He used to deliver babies for free (to those who couldn't afford to pay) when he was a doctor.

Just because a person doesn't want to give people a million hand-outs, doesn't mean he is against them. It simply means he wants to give them something better - an opportunity. An opportunity for education. An opportunity to better themselves. And opportunity to stand on their own 2 feet. And opportunity to break free from the gov't plantation. An opportunity to actually live.

Those things are NOT just for white males.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

@daphne - do you have a link? I googled it could not find anything from Elizabeth Warren on Tesla.

If I google Ron Paul Tesla or Marco Rubio Tesla their pro-Tesla statements come right to the top.

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

Right, no one noticed, except every rating agency that downgraded or threatened to downgrade American debt rating.

Yes, opportunity is important, but food is more important. We just wont see eye-to-eye, so no use arguing.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

Yes, please try to keep this thread on topic - politicians supporting Tesla sales model.

2 confirmed so far - 1 suspect...

J.T. | 9 aprile 2014

Social Security is running out of money but we can't say the same for welfare.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

On topic, please....

I know this is politics, but lets try to keep to the narrow topic of politicians supporting the Tesla sales model.

J.T. | 9 aprile 2014

Sorry, tes-s.

Webcrawler | 9 aprile 2014

I think the short answer is that republicans are tired of being wrong about EV's....

It was a shame that EV's got caught up in the "Government Motors" spin campaign in the last elections. I also think the anti EV spin actually hurt republicans more than it helped them in the last election. I guess you never know how talking points will be received until you throe them out there...

This really should not be a political issue. It is obvious that EV's are a net positive for the environment and national security in my opinion. Importing less oil from the Middle East cannot possibly be a bad thing for the US...

shop | 9 aprile 2014

Some Republicans do not like EVs due to the $7,500 federal "subsidy" as they see it. When I encounter that, I point out that it isn't a subsidy, but a tax credit. If you pay no taxes, you don't get the $7,500. The people that can afford an $80K car pay lots of taxes, so the $7,500 is just a targeted tax reduction, which Republicans generally do favor - tax reductions, that is. If the Republican is at all open minded, they back off after this explanation...

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

It's more than just EV's. It's not backing and protecting solar companies, like other western countries. Solaris may have made it if we didn't allow China to flood the market. It's not believing in global climate change and giving big oil tons of tax breaks while carbon energy poisons our air causing us to spend tons of money to mitigate its effects.

It's not Republicans or Democrats that run our government, it's big business. It's big oil, big finance, big military contractors, big media, etc. The worst thing that can happen for these big companies is change, even if that change is good for the rest of us.

Red Sage ca us | 9 aprile 2014

+11UP for Webcrawler!

Mel. | 9 aprile 2014

Daphne, what color is your Tesla?

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

Blue with a tan interior.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

2 politicians publicly supporting Tesla's direct business model. Is that all?

@daphne - you talk about providing "protection" for solar companies. But how about just speaking out against obstructing Tesla? Not one single "green" politician willing to publicly support Tesla in their fight against protectionist government policies?

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

I live in NJ. I called and wrote my representatives. Christie is the worst thing that happened to NJ environmentally. I did not vote for him because of women's issues and environmental issues. And now.... Oh, well.

carlk | 9 aprile 2014

He reminded me of Ross Perot. I actually don't remember Ross Perot that much but if you look back at what he believed they make a lot of sense. He's not really that conservative (by today's standard) as he was labeled to be that time.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

@daphne - any support for Tesla from other NJ politicians?? Or are they all like Christie?

bayoufilter.tx | 9 aprile 2014

Mayor of San Antonio, TX on his Facebook page.
Don't know if he's a Whig or a Tory or whatever labels are de rigeur this decade ;-)

(R and D make me first think of my shift lever's "Drive" and "Reverse"... then ResearchAndDevelopment)

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

tes-s,
Yes, our assembly is writing up some kind of law that will allow Tesla to sell here. They're mostly democratic, but I don't think they have enough votes to overcome a veto by Christie.

J.T. | 9 aprile 2014

David Buchwald and Ken Jenkins, two democratic Westchester County Legislators, have worked hard in NY to get Tesla accepted.

Nicoletta | 9 aprile 2014

@tes-s

Diane Feinstein. And, yes, I google 'Diane Feinstein' and 'Tesla' and found tons of stuff.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

Ok - the list is growing.

Rick Perry: http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/gov-rick-perrys-rig...

Julian Castro:
http://www.expressnews.com/business/business_columnists/greg_jefferson/a...

David Buchwald:
http://www.businessinsider.com/david-buchwald-tesla-2014-3

Ken Jenkins:
https://twitter.com/LegKenJenkins

Nothing on Dianne Feinstein speaking in support of the Tesla sales model that I could find.

Glad to have Perry and Castro on our side - even though they became "believers" when trying to woo the battery plant. Whatever - they are now on record supporting it.

So far only 3 on the national scene speaking in favor or Tesla and against the dealers and car companies. My guess is the green that is their priority is not the environment.

Baribrotzer | 9 aprile 2014

@ tes-s: I can understand why Democrats oppose Tesla, and not surprised that Tesla gets no support from them. But why is Ron Paul the only Republican speaking out? Less government and less unnecessary regulation is a core Republican value.

Why do you think that Democrats oppose Tesla? I have my own ideas about why some of them might, but I'd be interested to hear why you think so. I would argue that we don't know how many are pro or con - not too many of them have spoken up one way or the other because the issue hasn't arisen in their states.

And as for core Republican values, one other core Republican value - rarely spoken of to the Great Unwashed - is loyalty. Specifically, loyalty to one's friends, and loyalty to one's employer. Who are often one and the same.

For a specific example, suppose that one of your best friends and favorite golf partners - who also just happens to be the biggest Chevy dealer in the state - makes a generous, deep-pocketed donation to your campaign fund. Having done so, he naturally deserves a return upon his investment. And it would be appallingly disloyal of you to not give him everything he wants and more. That's what friends do, after all.

So, as a last-minute amendment to the year's budget, you ram through a law tightening the qualifications for auto dealers, and making it virtually impossible to sell new cars of any kind in your state except through an already-established dealer, who must be a member in good standing of NADA. Now, that's loyalty. And that is just the kind of loyalty that helps a Republican win more generous, deep-pocketed friends, and ensures his re-election.

Also, it is important to note that this is not corruption. Not only is it entirely lawful, but it does not even give the appearance of corruption, in any way, shape or form. The Supreme Court said so, in a landmark five-to-four decision.

And while I'm not entirely sure, I suspect that for most Republicans in office, that kind of loyalty decisively trumps any kind of talk about "the free market".

carlk | 9 aprile 2014

tes-s, Democrats don't need to go on record to say they support an EV company. It's the same as parents do not need to write articles to prove they love their children. By default they already are.

hcwhy | 9 aprile 2014

The anti-Tesla movement in Ohio is spearheaded by Tom Patton (R)

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/02/16/dealers-republicans-attempt-anticomp...

zwede | 9 aprile 2014

> Rick Perry

Unfortunately Perry's "support" is fake. He made his announcement after the TX senate had adjourned for the year. He will be out of office end of this year and has announced he's not running again. So his announcement means nothing.

He has the power to call an emergency session which he has not done, so it's just empty words.

Nicoletta | 9 aprile 2014

@tes-s, oh I see, you have a very narrow criterion, the politician must have publicly gone on record against the auto dealers and for the Tesla sales model. Feinstein hasn't done it because she's not the Senator of a State where the Tesla sales model is under threat. If she was publicly asked, do you have any doubt what her answer would be? People like Perry and Castro are on record simply because their state is anti-Tesla and they were asked.

Baribrotzer | 9 aprile 2014

An Addendum:

If the Chevy dealer tried to get a Democratic politician to do that, he'd either kick him out of the office or say, "It's gonna cost ya." And if so, he'd want money upfront, in cash. The dealer would have to deliver it to the Democrat's bagman in a paper sack, and he'd take it home and stash it in his freezer. And sooner or later, he'd get caught.

In fact, he might have already gotten caught, and be wearing an FBI wire to the meeting with that Chevy dealer in an effort to reduce his eventual sentence.

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

Diane Feinstein was one of the senators that push for a bailout for Tesla. Try using bing.com instead of google and you'll find plenty of articles about Feinstein and Tesla. Barbara Boxer is for anything green. so I would include her.

But, it doesn't really matter who in the US congress supports Tesla, it's the individual states that are outlawing sales through their assemblies or by their governors.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

@Baribrotzer - I don't think Democrats oppose Tesla per se, they (in general) are in favor of government control and regulation. Same with Republicans. They don't like Tesla, they (in general) are in favor of less government control and regulation.

That is why I say Republicans "should" be more likely to be on the side of Tesla being allowed to sell direct to the consumer.

I think many politicians oppose Tesla direct sales because Tesla is worth less to them in campaign contributions and votes than the dealers and auto companies.

You lost me on the whole loyalty thing. Are you talking about stuff like Hilary and Bill's hit-list of friends and enemies?? That is politics.

tes-s | 9 aprile 2014

@carlk - silence is support of the status quo. Opposition by omission. Politicians are not at all shy about speaking out on their views...except when their views are unpopular with donors and/or voters.

@hcwhy - there are a LOT of haters. I'm looking for supporters.

@Nicoletta - yes, looking for prominent politicians that support Tesla selling direct to consumers. Last I checked Ron Paul was not from a state that bans Tesla sales, but he is speaking out.

@zwede - Perry and Castro are opportunist supporters, coming out in support to woo the battery plant. Supporters none the less.

@daphne - Feinstein has no references on Bing showing her support of Tesla direct sales to the consumer. Are you saying she is just like Rick Perry - only supports Tesla because it means manufacturing jobs to her state?? Federal law trumps state law, and federal government regulates interstate commerce - which is why states (other than CA) are unable to ban Tesla sales completely. Boxer?? All I see about her is bringing home pork for her state - government loan to Tesla.

bayoufilter.tx | 9 aprile 2014

I grew up in Ron Paul's district in Houston TX. When my high school civics class visited DC he came and spoke to us (so did Bill Archer). He is definitely from Texas (a "pro-dealership" state), and definitely a Libertarian (told us kids why pot should be decriminalized).

carlk | 9 aprile 2014

@zwede You are absolutely right. It's pretty easy to decipher Rick Perry and Marco Rubio's comments (but no actions) of their support of Tesla direct sell. They are just acquiring some nice weapons to be used to attack Christie in the 16' primary.

carlk | 9 aprile 2014

@tes-s Can you find a Democrat controlled state that is not Tesla friendly? You don't need to play the words game just let the action speaks for itself. Everyone can see clearly what it is.

DaphneGreen | 9 aprile 2014

tes-s
I'm not sure I understand what you are looking for. California is pro green, pro Tesla and there is no reason for its two senators to make a push for Tesla being allowed to sell in other states. They are not running for president nor are they able to influence that assemblies.

CA was a logical place for Tesla to put their factory because CA is so big on environmental issues and it has a large, wealthy population. Just like there was a reason Musk picked Norway to build out it's infrastructure.

All-in-all democrats are more concerned with global warming and the environment. Of course it depends upon what state you come from, Some of my republican friends are now admitting there seems to be global warming, but they now say it doesn't make sense to do anything because China is spewing tons of pollution. True they are burning tons of coal that we've sent them, but they are adopting clean energy faster than we are.

I must add that Musk has done something wonderful. He has fought one battle after another, fought big business, fought pols, and produce a super car and a viable company.

Mel. | 9 aprile 2014

carik, not trying to interfere in your discussion with tes. There is Connecticut. Now if you look further. There is Massachusetts, which has been having a few battles. To stay on the east coast you could look at Va, and n.c...

Now you do know that N.Y. Has restricted Tesla. Now I will grant you that New Jersey is a very red state.

bigd | 9 aprile 2014

"ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - A dozen legislators and other Democrats say New Mexico shouldn’t go overboard in granting tax breaks to Tesla Motors so the electric car company locates a battery plant in the state.

In a letter to the Albuquerque Journal the Democrats said any bid to attract the plant shouldn’t rely solely on tax breaks.

Arizona, California, Nevada and Texas also are trying to win the $5 billion battery plant.

The New Mexico Democrats’ letter said the state can’t afford to give up so much future tax revenue to Tesla that education and other needs aren’t met. It also says incentives for Tesla shouldn’t cause other taxpayers to pay more.

While the letter described Tesla as a cutting-edge carmaker that could have a positive impact on New Mexico’s economy, it argued that the state has lost money in previous deals with out-of-state corporations.

Republican Gov. Susana Martinez has said she might consider calling a special legislative session on economic incentives to make New Mexico more appealing to Tesla."

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