Reverse Camera With Proper Parking Lines.

Reverse Camera With Proper Parking Lines.

When I purchased the MS at the end of March I was informed that Tesla would be releasing an update with a backup camera with proper lines to help with parking the vehicle. I think it is something that should be updated right away seeing that the vehicle is quite wide and is quite difficult for drivers to reverse park it. There are other things I wish the Tesla would update but I will save that for another day. My previous 2006 Infiniti M45 had the backup camera lines and this is a 2013 Vehicle. Do you agree with drivers needing this for better driving experiences?

MKJ | 27 settembre 2013

I want this as an update ASAP!

phat78boy | 27 settembre 2013

Yes, I agree with you. Lines for parking in reverse should have been included to begin with. I do hope they properly implement the lines that move with the turn of the wheel. Hopefully this is an update that is coming soon.

Thomas N. | 27 settembre 2013

43,000 threads about this. It's a nightmare technically. Kind of like how the yellow line showing the first down for the NFL broadcasts seems so very simple but in actuality is incredibly complex.

They'll get to it eventually.

J.T. | 27 settembre 2013

@phat78boy Lines for parking in reverse should have been included to begin with.

I agree with you on this. Take a look at the prioritized software enhancement thread and see if you can find an item that shouldn't have been included to begin with. If they get them all done we'll finally have all the bells and whistles of our last car.

So, why'd you stop driving your last car?

inverts | 27 settembre 2013

How did anybody get a license if you can't reverse park. A fortiori, with a camera and tilting mirrors? Yes, rear visibility through the rear window is not great, but you have a high def camera, with very nice low light performance on a 17" screen and auto-white balance (notice greenshift in highlights when hitting break lights at night).

Do you also want Siri to tell you "now turn wheel to right, ... no, the other right"? And then someone sues TM for inaccurate guidelines that cause a driver to get a bit of curb rash on their precious rims.

Earth to driver: you still have to drive the car yourself. Possibly think about investing in some remedial driving lessons.

shop | 27 settembre 2013

There are a bunch of "standard" items that the Model S didn't initially come with. But it came with an amazing motor, huge range, supercharger network, etc. No car is perfect...

GDH | 27 settembre 2013

My Volvo has it but by the time my camera kicks on and the lines appear I am where I need to be. There are more important things Tesla needs to work on than reverse lines.

riceuguy | 27 settembre 2013

I'm a pretty decent parallel parker and while I think the parking distance control is a nice-to-have (e.g., for very tight spaces or when you're not paying enough attention), the lines would be very helpful for two reasons. First, the wide angle of the camera makes judging distance very difficult. Second, the lines that turn with the wheels typically do a great job of guiding you right against the curb, parking lines, etc. It's not a "must have" feature, but it's not as complex as many other requests, either (well, at least v1 without the turning lines).

GeekEV | 27 settembre 2013

@MKJ - You were told by whom? Although there are tons of threads asking for this feature, you're the first I've seen to indicate you were told it's coming.

jat | 27 settembre 2013

As Thomas says, there are tons of threads about this. My bet, as a software engineer who has worked on some video overlay systems, is that the hardware is incapable of drawing graphics on top of the video from the camera. For example, older systems always shift the camera down when the homelink button drops down, and newer ones just disable the camera in the top portion while it is active.

Supporting this means you need to keep at least 1-bit z-depth for every pixel in the framebuffer or having two framebuffers (one overlay with transparency and one underlay), along with the complexity of getting either of those into the pixel stream to the display. Really, the only way I would think it would be possible is if they are decoding the video image into RAM and then having the CPU BLT it to the framebuffer, and that requires a lot more CPU/GPU to run a good framerate.

edcalis | 28 settembre 2013

I always wonder why can't the camera be placed exactly in the center, then we do not need any backup lines?

Bubba2000 | 28 settembre 2013

My guess is that Tesla has limited engineering resources, so they had to focus on the most important aspects of the car: batteries, drivetrain, frame, safety, etc. Not easy do design a car from scratch and then build it themselves.

Yes, besides the parking lines, they left all kinds of features that I find on just about any low price Asian import... like parking assist sensors, smart cruise control, etc. Regardless, the MS is a great practical car with lot of features.

Drive a loaded Panamera or even a 911 loaded and then compare with a 85P. Anybody done that? 85P is a much better car!

jeffsstuff | 28 settembre 2013

@geekev, I was told that by one of the reps at the tesla store in the short hills mall. He said it was something they were working on and it would be included in a software update.

My wife is, by any definition, bad at parallel parking. When she got her Audi Q5, the backup lines changed all that. She can squeeze that thing into just about any space. My point is, the lines do help.

As to the technical limitations, comparing it to the yellow first down line in football broadcasts isn't a fair comparison. The football technology is much harder for several reasons... I don't care, for instance , if the line obscures what is directory under.

dtesla | 28 settembre 2013

@Thomas N, The software for adding lines to images is easy. A couple of years ago I wrote a program to add text to video in a couple of days. If there is a challenge for Tesla it's in the hardware. Did Tesla install a processor that can handle the extra computation and keep up with all the other things we want the processor to do.

Thomas N. | 28 settembre 2013

Well there we have it. I will readily admit to not being technical enough with video overlay technology to have a valid opinion one way or another.

So it's easy to do but CPU intensive. So they'll either pay a kid 15K for his college internship to write the code and we'll see this in a couple weeks as an over-the-air update or we'll never see it in the cars we already have due to inferior CPU resources.

So, back to square one.

dborn | 28 settembre 2013

They have a tie in with Mercedes - so the steering and window controls come from Merc. They also have a tie in with Toyota. The rear view camera and guidelines on the Lexus are great and accurate. No new engineering required, They could have and probably still can get a system from Toyota. So there is no real excuse for not including it from the get go. This is not reinventing the wheel after all.

wcalvin | 28 settembre 2013

If you can stand having an extra two lines on all displays, get a screen protector for the top half of the 17" screen, then dot in two lines showing the projected path of your rear wheels for going directly backwards.

I would park your second car one parallel parking space directly behind your car. Dot the image of the right front tire and extend it to the image of your rear bumper where your track would be. Ditto other track. The length of those converging lines gives you a much needed indication of distance, given that fisheye lens.

When backing up, just keep the car to the rear "on track" --your two dotted lines--as you get closer.

sxross | 28 settembre 2013

There are numerous threads not only about this but about "drivers don't need no stinkin' {insert feature here}. But drivers want them. And here's an extra incentive for Tesla drivers to want backup lines: If properly calibrated and followed, they will discourage you from curbing those expensive wheels and tires.

Most of us who have never had lines on a backup camera (or even a backup camera) learned to park and can do it pretty much anywhere, anyhow. But does anyone acknowledge the occasional scrape of a tire on a curb or the extra try or two for a tight parallel spot? Not saying the lines on a screen will eliminate these, but they may reduce them, right?

In any case, "good drivers don't need these" is probably not a great rationale for excluding a feature that is standard in class.

DonS | 29 settembre 2013

With the backup camera position and the side mirrors, adding lines on the camera image is useless. This is the easiest vehicle I've ever driven to back into a spot and place it within an inch of my target. If Tesla does add lines, they had better be only a pixel or two wide because I want to see what is really behind the car and not some pretend lines.

For those having trouble with scraping their rims, you need the downward facing camera mounted in the side mirror. That would allow a view of the whole side of the car.

sefischer1 | 29 settembre 2013

Of course you can reverse park. The need for the lines is to help to avoid ripping those expensive wheels on the first curb they encounter.

Also, the perspective is so wide that it is difficult to determine just how close something is using the camera.

Lines with hash marks to delimit distance. My Infiniti M35S had the best solution I'd seen.

I too want this feature added ASAP.

jcaspar1 | 29 settembre 2013

My wife's Ford Explorer as the best, most sophisticated system I have seen. Screen comes up instantly with reverse, color image with has colored lines to denote distance and curved lines to show predicted path as you turn the wheel. Also has audio and color visual notations as you are approaching obstacles.
As my two cars are from times before such cameras, I often forget she has this and often don't use it. Never miss it, even in my truck and Viper which both have poor rear views. Then again, I think there are many people who could really use this and it would be a nice feature for them.