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"0 minutes charging required"

I frequently drive from Reno to San Jose (as I did yesterday). As new Superchargers have popped up along the route, over the past couple of years I've standardized on charging at the Vacaville charger on the Reno->SJ leg, and the Rocklin charger on the SJ->Reno leg.

This time I thought I'd let the nav system's new functionality take a whack at things. It directed me to make two stops-- Truckee and Vacaville. That's a little weird since Truckee is < 40 miles up the road.

But what's weirder is the car's prediction that I will need to charge for "0 minutes" at Truckee before proceeding.

I ignored the car's advice and drove past Truckee. The nav system insisted I loop back at the next highway exit so I could charge for zero minutes.

Anyone else see this?

tes-s | 2015年10月3日

No. But I have the beta range assurance turned off.

Basem | 2015年10月3日

I have seen this 0 minutes charging required message.

To me it read as a "raw math" solution answer. In english it is saying: you do not need to make stop at this charger. Or this charger stop is optional.

Mathew98 | 2015年10月3日

@Dramsey - The range assurance NAV is still being fleshed out. It is notorious for being overly cautious and will direct you to charge at every interim SC possible even though your car didn't need it.

Go with your instinct and normal route that you've taken many times before. In my most recent trek across the Eastern seaboard, I ignored all the interim stops recommended by the NAV even though each segment (except for one) that I plotted were less than 150 miles apart.

SnowFlake | 2015年10月3日

I have the experience when I plan any route from my home. my Car always direct to Toronto supercharger with "0 minutes charging required" message. It will do this even if I plant the trip east or west. but not doing this if my route is in the north direction.
Toronto SC is located east of my house even though when I plan the trip to west. the navigation guide me to Toronto SC with 0 mins charging required but it increase my travel time by more than 30-40mins.
Still car is in the learning process so we all help it to learn

SCCRENDO | 2015年10月3日

Yes it's common. I have been redirected to charge at Culver city for 0 mins, a 20 mile detour, on many occasions. The range assurance is relatively useless as noted in many other posts. Perhaps it thought you may enjoy the facilities at Truckee. But if you are going to charge for 0 minutes please don't hog a stall. Park to the side.

NKYTA | 2015年10月3日

Dramsey, you can remove Truckee with a couple of clicks on the Nav app.

Linus | 2015年10月3日

Yawn. This issue has been discussed many times here. "Trip planner beta" (not range assurance) is buggy like hell and most people turned it off.

ParklandFLMike | 2015年10月3日

Range anxiety has turned into charging anxiety :)

I just navigate to the charger I want to charge at and then if navigation adds the unnecessary charging stops I select "remove all charging stops"

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年10月3日

@ tes-s.ct.us | October 3, 2015

>> No. But I have the beta range assurance turned off. <<

^^ I noticed and reported this issue about a week after I got "range assurance" downloaded to my 85D. As I recall, that was about 6 months ago.

During that period, Tesla has released 5 or 6 new software releases. Yet none of them fixed very obvious flaws in "the beta range assurance".

How the hell long does Tesla expect its customers to wait patiently through seemingly endless delays fixing such very simple flaws?

IMO, this is not a reflection of competent development or competent customer service. I'm severely disappointed.

J.T. | 2015年10月3日

@Grinnin' How the hell long does Tesla expect its customers to wait patiently through seemingly endless delays fixing such very simple flaws?
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IMO, this is not a reflection of competent development or competent customer service. I'm severely disappointed.

The blog about Range Assurance was in March of 2015. So, like Ron said, owners have been being disappointed by this software for six months with no word or fixes form Tesla that even acknowledge the problem.

One would think that if crowding at Superchargers is a problem, directing cars to stop at one when unnecessary is the exact opposite of addressing that problem.

J.T. | 2015年10月3日

@Grinnin' Sorry, a +1 was supposed to start my response. :-)

AoneOne | 2015年10月3日

I've gotten the feeling that most of the recent software releases were minor bug fixes. I'd guess that Tesla has been concentrating on the 7.0 release for the S and X, and only improving the 6.x software as absolutely needed.

I wouldn't be surprised if substantial improvements for the S are delayed a bit more as they gain real customer experience with the X. The S and X are supposed to run the same software so, once the X roll-out settles down, they'll bring the S up to parity and fix some of the lingering issues.

I'm sure it will be Tesla "soon".

Dramsey | 2015年10月4日

Well, I suppose it's good to know that this isn's an isolated problem. And I know I can turn this feature off. Still, it would be nice to have on more complex journeys-- say, Reno to Portland, OR, which I make a couple of times a year. Ah well...thanks for the reposes, everyone.

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年10月5日

@ J.T. | October 3, 2015

>> @Grinnin' Sorry, a +1 was supposed to start my response. :-) <<

It's good to know that we agree on a thing or two.
I'm sure we'll find ample opportunity to disagree on some things.
I think discussions are their best when varying and conflicting POVs are represented.

Enjoy your driving.
I'm 'stuck' for a day or so with a P85 while my 85D is getting the 4G LTE upgrade plus tire check/rotate and a couple of minor issues.

I'll survive, but like my own bed, only MY Tesla feels 100% right. So I look forward to getting my 85D back.

Rowlie | 2015年10月5日

I have a similar situation where I use the navigation to plan a trip north with the car in my garage, fully charged. It routes me south to the local supercharger from which I would have to drive right past my house again to go north.

Algorithm tweaking is definitely in order.