Anyone receive a car without the Tech Package yet?

Anyone receive a car without the Tech Package yet?

If you have received a car without the Tech Package would you mind posting what kind of navigation system, if any, came with your car?

Tesla has said that without Tech there will be no GPS and the only "navigation" would be via static Google maps on the web browser (i.e. route guidance, not navigation). A recent report from someone about to configure, however, suggested that he was told non-Tech cars might come with Google maps with a GPS car location pointer on the 17" screen like on the Tech cars, but without the Navigon style turn-by-turn navigation in front of the driver. I'm trying to determine the truth of the matter.

It would also be interesting to hear your comments on the standard definition rear view camera. Thanks.

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月21日 - Taking delivery of a non-Tech Package at the San Diego service center, 1 pm Sunday, Dec. 23. Which thread would you like me to post on if someone else doesn't post first?


ddruz | 2012年12月21日

@stevenmaifert--Fantastic news! I'm very excited for you. Just 2 days away and in time for Christmas!

Please post your comments here if you don't mind. Possibly more folks interested in the topic would turn to this thread.

f-tal | 2012年12月21日

I am also very interested in hearing about this too. The price of the tech package is high, and all I really want out of it is Navigation.

youlikeadajuice | 2012年12月23日

Definitely interested in hearing about his too!

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月23日

Okay guys and gals, just returned from taking delivery of a non-Tech Package S at the San Diego service center. Here's the scoop:

Navigation: The car has Google maps with a GPS car location pointer on the 17" Touch Screen... same as the Tech Package. The icon on the APPS bar is the same but says Map instead of Nav. You can still enter a location/destination and it will appear on the Google map. There just isn't any TBT Nav to get you there.

Standard definition back-up camera: Mine was the first non-Tech Package delivered by my DS. He said he couldn't tell the difference. I've never seen the HD, but the SD picture was perfectly clear.

Manual rear liftgate: Well balanced and easy to open and close. Once opened part way, it will go the rest of the way by itself.

Convenience lighting: There's plenty of lighting inside the car when you open the door, including ambient, and there is a light on the underside of all four door handles. Honestly don't know what additional lighting the Tech Package provides.

Door handles: They do not extend as you approach with the FOB in your pocket, but two clicks on the top of the FOB and all four extend.

As for the Xenon headlamps, Electrochromatic side mirrors, LED foglights, and Homelink; they are all things I can live without and don't have an opinion. I drove home in daylight so didn't get to check out the Halogen headlights, but they came on when I entered my darkened garage and seemed plenty bright. The DRLs are cool too.

Sudre_ | 2012年12月23日

Great news. Exactly what I expected. Thanks for the update.

We get a map with our drawn path and a GPS arrow (or whatever) on the screen showing where the car is at.

Abby | 2012年12月23日

Is it possible to get a back up camera without the tech package?

tork | 2012年12月23日

backup camera is stnadard

tork | 2012年12月23日

oops... standard*

Abby | 2012年12月23日

Is it standard on a 60 kw?

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月23日

@Abby - Yes. It comes standard with an SD back-up camera. You get the HD camera with the Tech Package.

Robert22 | 2012年12月23日

I'm more concerned about tech features to come that may be inoperable without the tech package hardware. We'll see.

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月23日

@Sudre_ - Sorry if I wasn't clear. When you enter a location address, the Google map will shift to show you where it is, but doesn't draw a driving directions line from your current location or give you written turn by turn directions. It does show distance from your current location to the address you enter. That distance appears to be as the crow flies versus surface street distance.

SMOP | 2012年12月23日


Re Door Handles:

Do the door handles extend if you press them or do you have to click the key fob to extend and retract the door handles?

Re Homelink

Have you verified that the icon is not present (Should be located next to your driver profile name)?


BigTex | 2012年12月23日

Solid roof or pano? Regarding rear headroom, that is.

ChasF | 2012年12月23日

Congrats stevenmaifert on receiving your Model s!

I glad someone stuck to their guns on not getting the tech package and didn't cave to peer pressure like I did. I came up with a whole list of reasons why the tech package was overpriced for me and I would't miss most of the published features. I held fast right up until I had to finalize and wimped out, rationalizing that I liked the fog lights and such nonsense.

There were so many on this forum that all but implied we would be idiots not to go with the tech package that these were the voices in my head as my finger hovered over the submit button.

In my defense, an asst mgr and the Dania Beach store did tell me that i wouldn't get GPS without the tech package. Sounds like he either misspoke or was misinformed. Oh well. I'll do everything thing in my power to get $3750 worth of enjoyment out of this package (driving along dark country roads, TBT to places I'm familiar with, open and close the hatch for no reason, etc..).

Anyway, enjoy your new ride and the contentment with knowing you didn't pay more than you wanted to.

desiguy | 2012年12月23日

BTW I have a e 350 that has xenon lights and remote entry...those are one of the best things I like and glad they have it on Tesla. Ya it is pricey but it something u use everyday. So I am going with it. Nice to get a comparison of what is in the non-tech package. If I was on a budget that is one of first things I would cut.

Pungoteague_Dave | 2012年12月23日

There's a reason that Tesla includes the rear view camera on all cars, including those without the tech package.

The Cameron Gulbransen Kids Transportation Safety Act of 2007 mandates that cars produced after a certain date will have backup cameras, so all completely new car models are being introduced with this capability designed in. Rules issued in 2010 required that 100% of all cars built after 9/1/2014 have the cameras. In February 2012 the NHTSA delayed the planned implementation date due to technical questions. According to a report by the New York Times, backup cameras are currently standard on 45 percent of vehicles. The report also says the NHTSA committed to issuing final backup camera regulations by 12/31/12, so it should be any day now...

The proposed regulation says "When installed in a vehicle without any existing visual display screen, rearview video systems are currently estimated to cost consumers between $159 and $203 per vehicle, depending on the location of the display and the angular width of the lens. For a vehicle that already has a suitable visual display, such as one found in route navigation systems, the incremental cost of such a system is estimated to be $58 - $88, depending on the angular width of the lens." Our government at work - we can 'solve' rear view problems in cars but not the budget...

EvRevo | 2012年12月23日

Steven, are the DRL LED or halogen? You got pictures of the DRL?

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月23日


1) Door handles. With the car unlocked, each door handle will extend individually by touching it.
2) Homelink. Verified there is no house icon between the battery icon and the driver profile name.

@Big Tex - Solid body color roof. TM has made marginal improvement in rear seat headroom. I'm 6'0". The top of my head scrunched the headliner in a solid body beta. My rear seat headroom is a little better. My head still touches the headliner in the left and right rear seat. Not prohibitively uncomfortable, but I wouldn't want to ride very far on a bumpy road in those seats. The good news is my head doesn't touch at all in the center rear seat. Got maybe 1/2 inch to spare.

@iknowli - The DRLs are LED. They surround the outer edge of the headlamp unit:,

ddruz | 2012年12月23日

@stevenmaifert - Thanks enormously for taking the time to make such detailed and informative posts regarding the non-Tech features on the very day you got your car! This information is very valuable and until your report much of it was largely unknown. You have listed the mystery on a number of questions.

ddruz | 2012年12月23日

edit above post: listed --> lifted

SMOP | 2012年12月23日

It would be interesting to find out if (in the future) you could upgrade to some of the features via either retrofit or software. There has been quite a bit of speculation that the hardware for homelink, tbt nav etc is included on all Model S' and that Tesla merely turns off these options on the touchscreen. This was the case with the Roadster, and could quite possibly be the case for the non tech Model S. Interesting stuff!

BigTex | 2012年12月24日

@stevenmaifer Good stuff! Thanks so much for all the info and congratulations!

hfcolvin | 2012年12月24日

Thanks for the detailed info! I am disappointed about the auto-extending door handles and for now that is the only reason I would consider (and probably reject) the tech package. It feels like a downgrade from other smart key systems to actually have to press buttons on your key fob to get in your car.

ddruz | 2012年12月24日

@stevenmaifer--I understand that the door handles to not automatically extend but does the car automatically unlock as you approach with the FOB then permitting the handles to extend with a touch?

INOV8TN | 2012年12月24日

According to Tesla CA (Customer Advocate), the NAV in the tech package allows you to save the route so that you can use it in a non-3G area. When you enter a zone where there is no 3G, you will not be able to display the google map, and therefore the NAV is useful in this case.

jamestily | 2012年12月24日

I was told that the nav system was dvd based, and that is what the 7 years of free upgrades are about.

SMOP | 2012年12月24日


I would be very surprised is fhte Nav System was dvd based. I believe the "free" upgrades are either done OTA or when you bring your car in for service (yearly). I think it is HD based

youlikeadajuice | 2012年12月24日

I know that the rear hatch is manually opened without the tech package, does anyone know if you can still limit the height that it opens to without tech?

pilotSteve | 2012年12月24日

Does the voice command feature work, or is that only with Tech package?

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月24日

Every new question sends me out to the car, but that's okay. I'm learning along with you.

@youlikeadajuice - Manual rear liftgate. There are no adjustable mechanical stops that would limit the upward travel of the liftgate. Since the liftgate is attended by the person opening it, due caution by the operator will keep it from contacting anything above it. I have a roll-up garage door and I can still open the liftgate full travel without hitting the open garage door.

@pilotSteve - The voice command feature works without the Tech package. The commands associated with the TBT Nav are inop, but the map commands like "Where is (address) or (Starbucks) work, and the map will shift center and mark that location after the command is processed. Actually, if you say where is Starbucks, the map will populate with symbols showing the location of all the Starbucks within the selected viewing range along with their phone numbers, which the car will dial for you if you ask it to. The media and blue tooth phone commands all work too.

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月24日 "I understand that the door handles to not automatically extend but does the car automatically unlock as you approach with the FOB then permitting the handles to extend with a touch?"

Short answer - Yes, but only the driver's door handle.

Long answer - When I lock the car with the FOB, I hear a click. As I approach the locked car with the FOB in my pocket, I don't hear an unlock click, but touching the driver's door handle will cause all four doors handles to extend. I tried touching the other three door handles with the car locked but nothing happened. Touching the driver's door handle when the car is locked extends all four door handles, same as a double click on the top of the FOB.

ddruz | 2012年12月24日

@stevenmaifert--Once again huge thanks. Very informative. Not to have you rushing back to the car again but when you get around to it: Can you get the Google map to show charging stations in your vicinity somehow? Thanks.

youlikeadajuice | 2012年12月24日

@stevenmaifert...thanks! This is the best thread I've read in a while, lots of answers to questions I had been really interested in getting!

LazMan | 2012年12月24日

It looks like I won't be needing the tech package. But does this mean I will have to dig up the old clicker for my garage door? Both our Prius and 5 year old Honda Pilot have home link. It seems odd that this feature requires the tech package especially since the necessary hardware is built in.

jkirkebo | 2012年12月25日

Regarding the SD vs. HD backup camera there might be a significant difference in low light scenarios. The HD camera supposedly have extremely good low-light performance.

pbrulott | 2012年12月25日

@stevenmaifert, thanks for the info. other questions

1) still don't get the convenience lighting difference betweeen Tech and non-tech: do you have reading lights inside the car, lights in the door handles when they extend?

2) what about memory seats with the Key Fob (not even sure it is reported to be functioning in Tech pack cars but asking anyway)

3) sorry for my ignorance but what is the difference between Xenon headlamps and non-Xenon?

4) another question is that you got the non-Tech package but you are connected to 3G???? I thought signature cars had the 1 year free but it seems it is all cars until TM figures out pricing. are you paying anything or using your phone over bluetooth?


Electric Machete | 2012年12月25日

3G is being included until Tesla can sort out their data package fees. They are estimating all delivered cars (non-sigs) should get about 3 months free data. I imagine that they will also have to enable WiFi before scrapping the free data program.

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月25日


1) Yes. Reading lights come on when the door is opened as do lights in the door handles. The reading lights, front and rear, are push on, push off otherwise.

2) According to my DS, Tesla has dropped plans for the driver profiles to be tied to the key FOB for Tech, and non-Tech.

3) Xenon headlamps are just a different lighting technology than Halogen. I'm not very familiar with them, but I've heard they provide better illumination. Maybe someone could elaborate.

4) The deal with the 3G is as Electric Machete described. - I will check later today to see if charging stations are points of interest that can be called up on the
Google map.

future467 | 2012年12月25日

if you don't have the tech package and want to find charging stations you should try a very good app.
the car should have home link- and that wasn't listed in the tech package features. It is the only tech package feature that I miss

stevenmaifert | 2012年12月25日 - Are charging stations points of interest that can be called up on the Google map?

Short answer - Yes.

Long answer - I entered "EV Charging Stations" as a search criteria. The map automatically zoomed out, and populated with A to Z markers for all the charging stations in Google's data base for the greater San Diego area. A box appeared on the screen listing by letter, the location name, address and distance from my current location. There was no info specifying the type of charging station, but you could use the Web APP to find that.

scole04 | 2012年12月25日

Thanks for the great info. Do you have any pictures of the front with the lights on by chance for comparison?

gregv64 | 2012年12月25日

Yeah, the next big question is what features disappear if you don't pay the monthly connectivity fee (and what the charge will be).

ddruz | 2012年12月25日

@stevenmaifert--Thanks again. Your service to everyone, on Christmas day no less(!), is awesome. Big mahalo. Enjoy your car!

Robert22 | 2012年12月25日

To be clear, all owners will receive base 3G connectivity for free, always, to allow for software updates. The packages to be announced are for premium features and phone requiring 3G connectivity that we will all be addicted to by spring....... simiiar to cocaine-addled rats.

Thank you for reviewing the non-tech lighting configuration. Which added lights are considered "convenience" lighting in the tech package?

gregv64 | 2012年12月25日

Yes, but in the context of this discussion, without the 3G package will non-tech people lose google maps and then have no nav capability? One of the features of the tech nav is that the maps are offline.

Robert22 | 2012年12月25日

With wifi soon to be operative, you should be able to tether from a cell phone.

riceuguy | 2012年12月25日

Everyone will get 3 months of 3G as a "trial" regardless of when they get the car. If you don't either buy a package or tether to your cellphone or a MiFi hotspot after that, you will only have access to maps, etc when at a wifi hotspot such as your house as maps outside the tech package rely on the Internet connection.

archibaldcrane | 2012年12月26日

So it drops a GPS pin on your location, but you can't get it to draw a route to your requested destination?


It should be able to do this right? This is just a simple software thing I assume? Maybe they'll update it. This is all the "navigation" I need, that's what I use on my phone, I never use the actual "turn by turn".