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LOL!! BMW i8 owners thinking class action law suit

LOL!! BMW i8 owners thinking class action law suit

Apparently they want to start a class action law suit because they're getting 10-16 miles per charge when they were promised 22. Just HILARIOUS
Wonders shall never end.
Imagine how happy they'd be with a p85
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818773

JAD | 2015年2月28日

Topgear tested it. Rated at 135 mpg or so but in their testing they got 30 mpg and I believe a six gallon gas tank. 190 miles between fill ups. Less real range than a Tesla.

Looks exotic though.

Captain_Zap | 2015年2月28日

That wouldn't even get me to a grocery store.

nelsonc | 2015年3月1日

I cannot get in and out of it and I am athletic.

FelixMendeldog | 2015年3月1日

How diligently did BMW i8 owners research their purchase? My guess is zero; and that’s a lot of money to throw down for an exotic looking engineering nightmare. BWM i8 is bling for the rich and wasteful of money; Tesla Model S is a car with sufficient merit to justify stretching one’s budget.

How many of you saw the video which demonstrates the lengths to which one must go just to open the i8 hood? And that’s not the only absolutely ridiculous ‘feature’ of the car. I’ve been pissed at BMW since they eliminated dipsticks and added iDrive. Their engineers often make new problems trying too hard to differentiate their designs.

tmaz | 2015年3月1日

Not that I'm defending Bmw (I think the i8 is a piece of crap), but all factors need to be taken into account regarding range such as temp, weather, hills, etc. I know my S85D is rated at 270 miles per charge and I haven't come anywhere close to that on two long round trips of approx 180-190 miles each. Even with pre conditioning while pluged in and driving with the cruise set to 70, the best I can obtain on a full charge is 190 miles, whic results in a 30% loss in advertised range. Hoping once the weather warms up (it's been cold in CT) and the tires break in (only 600 miles so far), I can get at least 240 on a full charge.

Plugged In | 2015年3月1日

@tmaz - summers will be better for sure.

So the customers expected more out of an i8 than they got? I wonder where "the Kiko" is now?

lolachampcar | 2015年3月1日

tmaz,
Temps made it into the mid 70s and my PD has had many 150 mile cycles (two days or so between charging) with less than 300 WHr/Mile. I think you will ultimately be happy when it warms up.

I agree with your point on the I8.

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

why was anybody reading the bmw forums?

LOL. And anyway, it could be the cold weather causing that range decrement. Volt apparently drops to like 20-25 miles AER (all-electric range) in the bitter cold (mine has never experienced that, here in S FL).

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

reading the bmw thread is actually good: you see gas-heads who have tasted electric drive and want more.

BMW just shot themselves in the foot.

lolachampcar | 2015年3月1日

That would be hilarious if the I8 actually drove BMW people to MS......

PBEndo | 2015年3月1日

It is no secret that the range of an electric vehicle is greatly affected by speed, temperature, elevations changes, etc. Because of this most people expect to rarely get the full advertised range from an EV (we have already learned this concept from our cell phones and laptops).

The question is, will the I8 perform as advertised even under ideal conditions? Based on that thread, it does not seem likely.

Tesla, on the other hand, has a car that can drive significantly farther than the advertised range, under ideal conditions. The current record is 423 miles on a charge.

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

+1 PBendo.
Part of me wants to feel for these BMW owners.
Part of me says they weren't very intelligent to buy that ~4x overpriced, ~1/2 electric range Volt.
Part of me says it's all good for the future of the EV. Even that little 10 mile electric range has gotten BMW reflex buyers thinking "why, imagine if I could drive farther on electric."

wayne | 2015年3月1日

Anyone stupid enough to buy a joke of a car like the i8 deserves everything they get and gave up their right to complain. Classic case of buyer beware.

PBEndo | 2015年3月1日

I have a friend in Denver with a daily commute of 29 miles. He has 1200 miles on a new Volt and hasn't put gas in it yet.
First round goes to GM.

PBEndo | 2015年3月1日

edit - his commute is 32 miles

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

@PBendo, that is commonplace for the Volt. The i8 is ridiculously inferior except for exterior styling.

Volt drivers routinely get 30+ miles electric in average cold weather, with only extremes of cold dropping the range to the 20s. And in warm weather, Volt drivers easily get 40+ miles. Down here in FL I occasionally top 50 miles electric.

I've gone as much as 8,352 miles between gas fill ups. My gas consumption is driven primarily by my need to drive over 100 miles nonstop on occasion for my job.

ColonyGolfer | 2015年3月1日

This quote from one poster was most telling:

"I called into BMW tech service complaining about the mileage and I'm yet to get a call back after 4 days. Unless your trying to find out "simple things" like tuning the radio and such, the Tech service is almost useless – there in nothing but a bunch of young kids reading from a technical database."

Bighorn | 2015年3月1日

I'd probably be driving a Volt now instead of a Tesla if the local Chevy dealer had any interest in making a sale when I showed up 2 years ago.

Kutu | 2015年3月1日

@Bighorn - I might have made that same mistake if my local GM dealer had even remotely wanted to sell me a Volt!

Boukman | 2015年3月1日

Well you get what you pay for...wait...they did pay for a BMW...Oh well!

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

@Bighorn/Kutu, yeah, you have to go already knowing exactly what you want, what they have in stock, and literally have no questions for them except price negotiations. It's intolerably nauseating otherwise as they make up facts, redirect you to other cars, etc.

There are exceptions. Some dealerships do really move quite a few Volts.

Johann @IS | 2015年3月1日

For some inexplicable reason the UK press elected the i8 Car Of The Year 2015 http://ukcoty.co.uk/uncategorized/blog/bmw-i8-named-uk-car-of-the-year-2...

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

I just posted in that i8 forum... They seem to think that the Model S is a "family truckster" while the i8 is a sports car. One of them actually asked me, "which one would you prefer to drive?" Are they kidding?

Anyone here want to head over there to cause some trouble? lol...

The average BMW i8 owner is one who doesn't do his or her homework before buying.

MileHighMotoring | 2015年3月1日

I don't find this hilarious. Like it or not, EV/hybrid is one ship and we're all on it together. If the world's consensus is that batteries SUCK it will drag Tesla down too.

Keep in mind that the i8 has a 7 kWh battery. It was never going to have a great EV range.

Mathew98 | 2015年3月1日

Of course it is the hilarious. The iH8ter buyers fall in the same camp as those who bought the Fisker Karma. More $$$ for more complications for less power, less room ,and less range.

Hybrids have some advantage over traditional ICE vehicles but fall short of a true long range EV.

Do you dang homework before plunking down a 100 grands for your toy!

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

@Matthew98, more like minimum 135 grands

tmaz | 2015年3月1日

@PB - ideal condition range is more like 280-300 than 423. I realize that's the record, but driving in the low 20s mph for over 400 miles is not ideal to me ;)

P85D | 2015年3月1日

"Tesla will be gone by 2022"

Now that's comical.

7LJT8 | 2015年3月1日

I find it unfortunate that BMW has produced a vehicle with an electric motor that is not hitting expectations. From my stand point, I look at it as a black eye in the expectations of vehicles using electric motors. When things like this happen it simply creates a negative image about electric vehicles that companies like Tesla are providing in such a positive way.
Which is why I bought a Tesla.

They need to get it resolved to continue promoting a positive attitude toward electric vehicles and move us all away from ICE vehicles.

Syeds | 2015年3月1日

wait a second.... did I just read that right... they are getting 16 miles of range in ev mode?.......... the Nissan Leaf does more

Bighorn | 2015年3月1日

10-16 is how I read it.

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

Amped, save your breath/typing effort.

People who have the means to buy a Tesla, and do not, are lemmings.
They cannot think on their own. They cannot independently look into new ideas.
Once it's the norm, they will. They won't until it's commonplace.

GHammer | 2015年3月1日

Wow, the ignorance over there is astounding.

"the Tesla looks like a homogenized Japanese car with a cheap interior and drives like a refrigerator on wheels."

"I prefer to travel anywhere I choose rather than to "approved" refueling stations chosen by someone else."

Captain_Zap | 2015年3月1日

What do they plug into? We can plug into any outlet we find as long as we have an adapter.

MileHighMotoring | 2015年3月1日

The Leaf is an EV with a 24 kWh battery. The i8 is a hybrid with a 7 kWh battery. The Leaf gets ~ 85 miles. The i8 apparently gets 16. That's not great, but it's lugging around a gasoline engine.

PBEndo | 2015年3月1日

The I8 wins:

1. On the track (but not drag racing)
2. Grabbing attention (though not always)
3. Long, high-speed road trips with minimal time spent at rest stops.

The Tesla wins everything else. And it wins many other categories by a gigantic margin. There may certainly be some people that are better served by the I8, but they are small in number. It is certainly not a very impressive car IMHO. There are other ICE cars that also beat Tesla in the 3 categories I listed above, yet they cost less and have other advantages over the I8.

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

It seems that my post in the Bimmer forums has resulted in the i8 owners revealing their complete lack of intelligence in making this purchase decision. The comments about Model S and Tesla are hilarious... and from ding-dongs who spent over $135,000 on a car that can't make it more than 20 miles in EV mode and that gets no better than 30 MPG. It can't even out-accelerate my P85, let alone a P85D.

But hey, it looks like a Power Ranger!

MileHighMotoring | 2015年3月1日

One is a hand-built carbon-fiber exotic (100 per month), and the other is a mass-produced polished design (2,000+ per month). They only are in the same article because they both have batteries. They're nowhere near competitors. It's like people looking at the Alfa 4C compared to a Miata or something. Exotics get away with things because they are exotic. It's never rational to buy one, it's passion based purchasing.

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

@ eco5280 - Are you comparing Model S to a Miata?

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

I wonder if they've ever heard of the Cimarron... lol!

geekdad.604 | 2015年3月1日

@logicalthinker
People who have the means to buy a Tesla, and do not, are lemmings.
They cannot think on their own. They cannot independently look into new ideas.

You might want to reconsider your forum name or inject some logic into your own thinking. Lol.

PBEndo | 2015年3月1日

I love the "drives like a refrigerator" comment.

The P85D can carry a refrigerator in the back and still beat the I8 0-60.

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

Come on people, let's all go over there and have some fun... seriously, let's do it!

rdalcanto | 2015年3月1日

AR - I hope your joking. We don't want to be THOSE people that go to another manufacturers forum to tell owners how much their cars suck....

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

@ rdalcanto... raining on my parade lol

rdalcanto | 2015年3月1日

:)

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

Clearly I have nothing better to do on a Sunday.

Still, it would be fun to just go in there to discuss facts. It's interesting that the first thing those owners did was start disparaging the Model S as a response to my specifics regarding range and charging time. When you devolve into name calling, it's possible that the facts may not be on your side! lol

logicalthinker | 2015年3月1日

@geekdad, ok, i admit, i allowed some opinion in my commentary. mea culpa

rdalcanto | 2015年3月1日

All but the most loyal BMW fanboys will find their way over here eventually.... I think the i8 looks cool, but would never own one. I might consider the Audi R8 electric if it is track worthy and the price isn't too high. The practicality of the Model S is just hard to pass up though. Friday I was coming home from work and realized I needed to pick up my mountain bike from the shop. I folded the seats down and put my bike inside the car. Can't do THAT with an i8!

AmpedRealtor | 2015年3月1日

Fine! I'm going to go look at model homes.

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