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Red or Blue?

We have had a number of purchaser polls asking about our age, our demographics, our location, etc. I have been quite curious about our politics, but I worried that a controversial subject like politics (or religion?) might be unwelcome. However, a couple of threads have now broken the ice by discussing the presidential debates and government tax policies. And we are, after all, entering the Silly Season. So I thought I'd ask: are you a tree-hugging liberal, a fat-cat conservative, or a wishy-washy independent? Do you favor Obama, Romney, or someone else? Please keep the commentary and argument to a minimum. I'm really just trying to get an idea of how we compare to the population at large. Non-US purchasers are welcome to vote.

I'll start:

I'm a Democrat favoring Obama.

RLA_P12194 | 2012年10月9日

"I'm a Democrat favoring Obama."

+1

pilotSteve | 2012年10月9日

Sig Red. Oh wait.... thats not the topic? :)

weeandthewads | 2012年10月9日

color me Blue

Captain_Zap | 2012年10月9日

Purple

Tiebreaker | 2012年10月9日

Green.

Jolinar | 2012年10月9日

Ron Paul was my favourite man... but, well, I am not from US...

KevinR.co.us | 2012年10月9日

Blue Model S ordered
My house is Green (Solar Panels)
I'm Politically Blue (Democrat)
In a Red County (Douglas)
In a Purple State (CO)

Beaker | 2012年10月9日

tree hugging conservative?

mrspaghetti | 2012年10月9日

are you a tree-hugging liberal, a fat-cat conservative, or a wishy-washy independent?

Not the only choices

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

sbern18 | 2012年10月9日

Blue.. I'm also worried that the red guy will create an unfavorable climate for ev's and alternative energy.

sfriedrich | 2012年10月9日

I hate them all (the politicians). I'm a Ron Paul style, small l, libertarian.

Sig Red Perf + all the goodies.

TheAustin | 2012年10月9日

Blue all the way...Blue Model S on order, which should be delivered right after my Blue president is re-elected next month :)

dborn @nsw.au | 2012年10月9日

Non USA - conservative.

Brian H | 2012年10月9日

Red, but Cdn. Ex-blue; till I started paying attention. Despise Obama.

jrb | 2012年10月9日

Baby blue was the color of her eyes.
Baby blue like the Colorado skies.
Like a breath of spring she came and left And I still don't know why So, here's to you and whoever HELPS my baby blue tonight

DeDe | 2012年10月9日

I live in California...
I have solar panels on my house...
I have a Tesla Signature with delivery in the next few weeks....
I'm a registered Republican...
I'm voting for Romney....

Hmmmmm.....

DouglasR | 2012年10月9日

@John_DeDe,

. . . a tree-hugging fat cat?

electricblue0303 | 2012年10月9日

TheAustin +1 - same here in Chi-town

sergiyz | 2012年10月9日

same setup as John_DeDe
Independent, don't like either of the candidates, but expect less damage from Obama, so will vote for him

David den Boer | 2012年10月9日

Sig Red
I vote for no one (Canadian), but my American wife votes for the lesser of two evils (which in the case of this election is Red)

Alex K | 2012年10月9日

@DouglasR | OCTOBER 9, 2012: but I worried that a controversial subject like politics (or religion?) might be unwelcome.

Maybe next time people can post these kind of discussions in the General section, since they are not related to the Model S directly?

Brian H | 2012年10月9日

David den Boer;
similar, but my ex votes for the greater of the two evils.

jbunn | 2012年10月9日

Tree hugging renewable blue.

MandL | 2012年10月10日

They're both too far to the right for me. I'm all for socialism when it comes to health care and education, military draft, and a much more progressive tax system.

Timo | 2012年10月10日

There are at least two dimensions in the choices:

Extreme liberalism (change everything if it feels like it, f*ck the traditions)
vs
Extreme conservatism (do not change anything, traditions must be honored, no matter what)

and

Extreme capitalism (everything should be privately owned, free markets all the way)
vs
Extreme socialism (government owns and controls everything)

Maybe even three dimensions:

Dictatorship vs democracy in its purest form.

The best choice can be found somewhere between those, no extreme anything.

Divinity | 2012年10月10日

Ron Paul, but that'll never happen. So being a Democrat I guess Obama will do. ^-^

Vawlkus | 2012年10月10日

In the style of the Molson Rant commercials "My name is Joe and, I AM CANADIAN". :P

Ontopic, this link says it all for me

www.redvsblue.com

mrspaghetti | 2012年10月10日

@MandL

At least you're honest about your position, unlike most politicians who share your views.

Thumper | 2012年10月10日

Probably not a great idea to document this until TM is out of the woods.

Mike_ModelS_P457 | 2012年10月10日

I'm a deep blue - feel Obama is too centrist, to be honest. Romney / Ryan gives me chills.

I'm actually ok paying higher taxes (yes, I'm a 1%er) if it means better services across the board (single payer healthcare! education! infrastructure!), and especially at the bottom of the board. I firmly believe a rising tide raises all ships, but that rise much start at the bottom income brackets, not at the top.

Environmentally, I live in a solar powered house (90% from my system, 10% from the grid), own only alt energy cars (hybrids, had a grease car), and do my best to buy local, organic, etc.

murraypetera | 2012年10月10日

Blue car ordered
Green house
I think both parties are horrably broken and need a third.

I tend to vote for the enviroment. I don't care which party the canidate is in. My children deserve at least that much.

nickjhowe | 2012年10月10日

Blue. I wish both sides would tone down the rhetoric and actually discuss (using facts and recognize the interconnectedness of all the issues and solutions) and then address some of the deep long term problems this country faces. Playing fast and loose with the truth, and/or willfully ignoring the negative consequences of proposed 'fixes' is going to kill us in the long run.

dbbtex | 2012年10月10日

Good topic.

Red State (Texas) (for now and for awhile but not forever)

Blue voter - think of all the things we have now that wouldn't be there if the current GOP/Tea Party approach had been followed. Even the interstate highway system wouldn't pass the test (taxing everyone for roads only some will use, redistributing that tax money from some areas to others, as one example that we all use). Taxes are historically low. No one likes paying them but we have a lot of problems that come ahead of taxes being too high (IMO).

erik | 2012年10月10日

Don't care for either party. I tend to vote for a combination of character and intelligence in the candidate. So Obama hands down.
nah, can't vote, i'm EUR.

prash.saka | 2012年10月10日

+1 Mike_ModelS_P457

I am not a US citizen. But, everyone in my family that is a US citizen is a democrat in the blue state of MA. I tend to support the person and his/her principles rather than a party - Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, Chris Christie, Jon Huntsman, etc.

Between the two presidential candidates, I support neither.

~ Prash.

Timo | 2012年10月10日

erik +1

If I could vote in US it would be Obama. I fear that this other one is another GW Bush stupider which in last time caused US to go deep spiral dive toward bankruptcy. When US economy suffers it causes ripple effect in Europe as well, and we already have our own problems with members that have done lousy job with their economy.

sagebrushnw | 2012年10月11日

@ Timo

...and the "deep spiral dive toward bankruptcy" has been stopped by Obama? Don't think so...more like accelorated.

sagebrushnw | 2012年10月11日

Sorry, "accelerated"

tharasix | 2012年10月11日

+1 murraypetera

I'm pretty close to being a single-issue voter when it comes to the environment, so when the Republicans talk about shutting down the EPA, they make my choice pretty clear.

firstjerseykid | 2012年10月11日

Red but

not voting for Romney because of his energy plans, social security plan, and jobs strategy.

not voting for Obama because of what he did to NASA, the clean energy program where you buy and trade rights to pollute, and obamacare.

and a third party vote doesn't work in the US so... kinda confused what to do. Probably going to be a lesser of two evils thing which then I'd vote for Obama.

It doesn't matter much because I live in NJ which Obama will win without doing anything. Then again Chris Cristy, not checking spelling, is a rep...

William9 | 2012年10月11日

Independent (purple?) and don't like anything in the DC area, including their baseball team. But of self-serving crooks, IMHO.

William9 | 2012年10月11日

Bunch of self-serving crooks, IMHO.

Beaker | 2012年10月11日

firstjerseykid same boat as you but in CA.

but voting most of my reps out for not playing nice with each other.

Mark K | 2012年10月11日

Innovation springs from Liberalism. Conservatism defends Discipline.

No company, much less a republic, can thrive without both.

Mistrustful partisan attacks kill the symbiosis, and hurt all of us. We have a serious dose of gang warfare flu nowadays, and we have to move past it.

I like ideas that work, regardless of color.

sagebrushnw | 2012年10月11日

@ Mark K

Hear, hear!

Brian H | 2012年10月11日

tharasix;
The EPA has run amok. CO2 is a pollutant? None of the mandated science was done to justify this crock, just a hand-wave in the direction of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which itself is just a hyper-politicized pressure group.

But control of CO2 means de facto control of every productive (and consumptive) aspect of the economy. The EPA itself said it would have to multiply its bureaucracy by about 140X to monitor all the sources its regulations cover.

noel.smyth | 2012年10月11日

Grey car, green house and ill vote blue based mostly on environment and energy (though I'm disappointed we are not doing more to support renewables under this administration)

Timo | 2012年10月12日

@sagebrushnw, slowed. A lot. I have no clue if the other one is any good or not, but I know Obama has been quite good. Recession you see there is not US problem alone, it is problem everywhere. The fact that you suffer that little from it is quite good indication that whatever they do in the administration is not bad.

It just is that this other one sounds just like GW Bush. Just as ignorant and all. I couldn't care less what party they represent (two choices? In a country with 300+million people? Right). Person itself is what counts. Give me a choice from that other party that actually sounds intelligent and I would not necessarily be in Obamas camp. Currently it feels like you have to make choice between current known "not-so-bad" and unknown "sounds-like-an-idiot". When choices are like that I would vote for "not-so-bad".

Mark E | 2012年10月12日

Outside the US but see a disturbing number of similarities here to what you have there.

I'm sick of political party partisan politics - lobbied by interest groups the parties argue over things that can score a point regardless of merit. Rusted on voters that will vote for anything blue, red, purple or whatever because its 'their team' without actually thinking or doing any research.

I vote based on policies, performance and character. Unfortunately that leaves very slim choices here at the moment, as I don't trust either of the major parties at all.

I have always lived in conservative areas and am a capitalist in many ways I think some essential services need to be provided by the state - roads are a good example, public transport another. Healthcare should not be run based on the profitability of private funds - you shouldn't be bankrupted or denied help when you are sick.

Our current debate over energy is monopolised by people with a vested interest in digging up things to sell and burn - which is why renewables get so little support. Once installed there isn't a profit motive. Unfortunately this model also relies on transferring part of the costs to someone else while keeping the profits. Eg big tobacco take the profit from the sale but expect the community to pay for the healthcare costs incurred from smoking.

No one likes paying tax, but unfortunately nothing is free. I get annoyed when the top end pay a much smaller percentage of tax on their income than the average - even though in gross numbers the amounts are larger. I pay a lot of tax and see it wasted on futile wars, inefficient government structures (eg state governments here), handouts to those who don't need it etc. I don't mind seeing my tax money building infrastructure, hospitals, schools and universities or stimulating innovation. I paid six figures in income tax last year in $US equiv.

It seems to me that Obama is being blamed for not fixing the problems fast enough, without any thought to who created them in the first place. The complete lack of regulation in the finance market allowed the corruption that caused the GFC, yet they were baled out, once again with the community picking up the tab. The wars paid for on credit were started by who?

4 years seems to be enough time for the average voter to forget history doesn't it. Blaming the guy who inherited these problems is like blaming an ambulance driver after you have an accident.

archibaldcrane | 2012年10月12日

Black car, "soft" blue politically (Dems are a little too righty for me, but their heart is in the right place). House is normal grid-powered, until a feed-in tariff system is in place for LADWP I wouldn't consider solar really.

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