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Stop the talent drain

Tesla needs to stop the drain of highly trained engineers. Here's an article I read this morning from Mac Rumors:

Apple continues to recruit talent to bolster its "Project Titan" team, which is rumored to be researching an electric vehicle. Over the past several weeks, the company has hired multiple employees from Tesla Motors, Texas Instruments, and other companies in the automotive and technology industries, likely to join hundreds of others already working on the so-called "Apple Car."

Apple hired former Tesla Motors engineering manager Hal Ockerse last month to join its own software engineering team, according to his LinkedIn profile. Ockerse was employed at Tesla between July 2014 and August 2015, working on hardware architecture and advanced driver assistance system (ADAS) components, including cameras, radars, LiDAR, and engine control units (ECUs).

Ockerse does not list his responsibilities at Apple, but it is likely that he is working on Apple's car-related project. His experience prior to Tesla includes an eleven-year stint at Gentex Corporation, where as a research manager he worked on advanced driver assist solutions, a three-axis automotive electronic compass, custom designed HDR image cameras and sensors, and more.

Last week, it was reported that former Tesla firmware engineer Jamie Carlson left the company to join Apple's "Special Projects" group in August, alongside several other autonomous vehicle experts. Apple also hired Doug Betts, former Senior Vice President of the Chrysler Group, and Paul Furgale, a researcher who specializes in autonomous vehicles, according to a report in July.

Boukman | 2015年9月1日

It would be very hard to stop Apple from hiring anyone who wants/needs a big salary. Apple is sitting on a ton of cash anymore is coming in. The way I see it, let them go ahead and develop their car. If Apple stays true to itself, their cars will be even more expensive than the top of the line MS, though it probably will look very good...EM has always said that he welcomed the competition because he believes the real competition is the ICE makers. So if Apple wants to come in great...I wonder what they will provide to their buyers for long distance travel... Supercharger anyone?

ray | 2015年9月1日

Maybe they are the ones Tesla wants to get rid of.

Dramsey | 2015年9月1日

And it's not as if Tesla hasn't poached anyone from Apple...

drax7 | 2015年9月2日

Apple does not even manufacture its own iPhone, they are allergic to manufacturing . Who is going to actually produce it ?

They will design software .

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月2日

@ artC | September 1, 2015
Re: Stop the talent drain

<<< Tesla needs to stop the drain of highly trained engineers. ... >>>
^^^ No need to worry about talented Tesla employees leaving. Why?

Tesla's primary goal is to expand BEV market share, not Tesla's market share.
With the 'ludicrous' technical insight and leadership skills of its CEO, Tesla can easily succeed beyond our wildest dreams with the plentiful supply of new employees of lesser talent. This is a minor hit on their HR budget.

@ Boukman | September 1, 2015

<<< It would be very hard to stop Apple from hiring anyone who wants/needs a big salary. >>>
^^^ Yes. They have more money than anyone else.

<<< So if Apple wants to come in great. ... I wonder what they will provide to their buyers for long distance travel... Supercharger anyone? >>>
^^^

I hope Apple decides to enter the BEV market. Competition is healthy, IMO.
If Apple makes only short-range BEVs, they are destined to be known as "Leaf killers", not "Tesla killers" at best.
Apple is fully capable of deploying a competitive charging infrastructure for long-range BEV travel. Do you know how many billions of dollars of 'cash' they have? Clue: It isn't under $20 billion.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月2日

I think after 1 year of sales of Model X, the premium automakers like BMW, Audi will be forced to go the electric way. They wont move until EV damages their sales a great extent. The combination of S and X in market for a year or two will surely wake them up. After the release of Model 3 and maybe two years in market, it would be time for mass market car manufacturers like Toyota, Honda etc.
Apple, Samsung, Microsoft.... anyone can come to EV market but they wont be causing any competition to Tesla till Elon Musk is there.

Boukman | 2015年9月2日

@ Grinnin...I am not privy to Apple banking info, but a quick search reveals that they have over 100 billion in cash. In fact some estimates are over 200 billion...So Where did you get that under 20 billion info?

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月2日

@artC
Let them poach as much as they want. Its all about the culture of organisation which comes from its CEO. Apple has no chance of competing with Tesla till Elon Musk is there. Only other company comparable with Tesla's great CEO is Google and its not interested in making premium cars.

Ochwollner | 2015年9月2日

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Jay M | 2015年9月2日

If Tesla is anything like Space X, then I'm sure those guys were happy to leave.

A friend of mine who used to work for Space X told me the the hours were killing him and the pay was not that great. After they had a successful mission, many of the married guys left. My friend is single, but did want to have a social life.

Despite wanting to leave, my friend also said, he loved the company, and especially loved working with Elon Musk. He felt inspired to start his own company.

Another engineer friend of mine told me that it's bad for your career to keep one job for a long time. I guess the world is different now.

I'd be completely shocked if apple could make a cool car. My guess is that it would look like a cross between google's car and the first imac, and perform as well as a Prius. Does Tim Cook even own a cool car?

Tesla's CEO is a car guy and a young billionaire. That's why he made a family sedan that goes from 0-60 in 3.1 seconds. Just being zero emissions wasn't enough, it also had to be beautiful, and cool.

~Jay

adoh2010 | 2015年9月2日

Apple has enough money to become the next Rockfeller. That means creating a charging infrastructure of over 10,000 stations in the next few years and wildly kickstarting the EV revolution. A nissan Leaf-ish range with enough superchargers would be plenty for many people. They wouldn't mind losing money in making an iCar of that's what it takes to have a big share of the future "gas stations"

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月2日

Apple isn't going to build SC. Its going to build a product that is only for rich people with no intention of scaling it down to less affluent people. Plus it will use underhanded tricks to choke any attempts to make the EV available to mass market. If it hadn't been for Google smartphones wouldn't have reached the corners of earth like they did. So be careful what you wish for. If Apple is going to make EV's, Google will jump in too to protect the EV revolution.

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月2日

@ Boukman | September 2, 2015

<<< In fact some estimates are over 200 billion...So Where did you get that under 20 billion info? >>>

^^^ I didn't say Apple had $20 billion in cash. I said: "It isn't under $20 billion."
That is my rough estimate of how much it would cost for Apple to develop a viable BEV. As you know, they have far more than that.

ankitmishra | September 2, 2015

<<< Let them poach as much as they want. Its all about the culture of organisation which comes from its CEO. Apple has no chance of competing with Tesla till Elon Musk is there. Only other company comparable with Tesla's great CEO is Google and its not interested in making premium cars. >>>

I think you're stating pretty much what I did in different words. Except that I'm not at all sure Google is "not interested in making premium cars". Can you please explain why you think Goodle isn't "not interested in making premium cars"?

@ Ochwollner | September 2, 2015

<<< Tesla's CEO is a car guy and a young billionaire. That's why he made a family sedan that goes from 0-60 in 3.1 seconds. >>>

^^^ IMO, this confirms Tesla's focus on "performance cars", which isn't the same thing as "mass-market" cars. I believe this laser focus on a small segment of the auto market is delaying the time when BEVs dominate the auto market.

@ ankitmishra | September 2, 2015

<<< Apple isn't going to build SC. >>>

^^^ How can you know this to be true?

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月2日

Yes. I will explain. Google as a company is interested in doing things that are going to benefit humanity. It tends to avoid areas where only money making is possible. But, when it sees a new area in market, it jumps to it just to get some profit and stay relevant.
This is visible in Google's approach to cars too. It is making cars with the sole objective of removing humans from the driving equation. It is not interested occupying market or other stuff. It would have jumped in premium EV making if it was some other company than Tesla doing it. When the cars will be driverless their private ownership wont be prevalent then. Hence no need to make premium costly cars for rich people.
How I know Apple will kill EV revolution?
Simple. I use the behavior of Apple in many instances and use my brain to extrapolate its behaviour as its always the same. Make a product, market the hell out of it, sell it at a huge premium, keep rehashing it year after year, choke any other company trying to make the product available to less rich people. I will mention the latest example as a bonus for you-Apple choked Spotify by forcing it to sell it at $ 13.99.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月2日

No Grinnin. Tesla's focus on performance cars is giving free publicity when a lot of people keep writing misleading articles about it. Also, it is young company and it needs money to make a mass market car were margins will be much lower. Also Elon just tweeted that without Gigafactory at full blast Model 3 won't be possible. And guess from where money from Gigafactory will come? Yes. Its high margin premium cars. One more also-its not like all R&D work Tesla is doing to make cars go more faster, they clearly told that ludicrous mode was a side effect of their effort for drive train longevity. All the progress made in making Model S go faster will also make Model 3 the best car your money can buy in $35000.

Boukman | 2015年9月2日

@Grinn... Ah..ok...my bad...

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月3日

@ ankitmishra | September 2, 2015

<<< Yes. I will explain. Google as a company is interested in doing things that are going to benefit humanity. >>>

^^^ You sound superbly confident of that. I'm a bit skeptical. Are you a member of the Google board of directors? If not, what is your source for this conclusion.

@ ankitmishra | September 2, 2015

<<< No Grinnin. >>>

^^^ What was inaccurate in what I wrote?

<<< Tesla's focus on performance cars is giving free publicity when a lot of people keep writing misleading articles about it. >>>

^^^ Yes. However, I believe that Tesla and its fans also write misleading things about their cars. Do you recall "better than any other car in every way". Which is utter nonsense.

<<< Also, it is young company and it needs money to make a mass market car were margins will be much lower. >>>

^^^ I think Tesla is trying to win a macho race against BMW, not make viable BEVs for the masses. Just my opinion.

<<< Also Elon just tweeted that without Gigafactory at full blast Model 3 won't be possible. >>>

^^^ Elon has claimed many things, many of which turned out to be inaccurate.

<<< And guess from where money from Gigafactory will come? Yes. Its high margin premium cars. >>>

^^^ That's not what I heard. I heard that:

The state of Nevada is contributing about 10% through special tax rules.
Panasonic and other supporting manufacturers are contributing a bigger chunk.
Most of Tesla's contribution is with borrowed money.

BTW, there is no profit from Tesla's MS/MX cars. Tesla hopes to earn a significant profit from them. But when? "Soon". Which in Teslaese means: "We don't know".

<<< ... its not like all R&D work Tesla is doing to make cars go more faster, >>>
^^^ True. But it's their top priority.

<<< ... they clearly told that ludicrous mode was a side effect of their effort for drive train longevity. >>>

^^^ IMO, this a plausible explanation, but NOT the truth. Why do I think that?
Because they are restricting it to the "P" variants of the MS. If it were a viable advance on drive train longevity, I think they would put it on all variants of MS. I regard that explanation as pure PR hype.

<<< All the progress made in making Model S go faster will also make Model 3 the best car your money can buy in $35000.>>>

^^^ Will it be able to match the good characteristics of the Prius? From what I've read, the answer is NO.

With all due respect, I assert the right to decide for myself what car is "the best car" my money can buy at whatever price point I buy. Hint: My next car isn't likely to be an M3. Because Elon still has his team focused on acceleration at the expense of other car characteristics that I regard as more important for me. There is no such thing as "the best car". We each get to pick our own "best". You don't get a vote in selecting my best car. And if you insist in trying to declare which car is "best", you're wasting your effort. I refuse to accept by that arrogant proclamation. The only effect of that is that it just pisses me off.

If your purpose is to pick a fight, you're doing splendidly.

Red Sage ca us | 2015年9月3日

artC: Much of this was reported months ago. It is a standard issue practice in Silicon Valley. Everyone 'steals' talent from everyone else. Pretty much expected, and really, it seems that Tesla Motors has 'stolen' far more talent from Apple over the years.

Timo | 2015年9月3日

@Grinning wrote:
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@ ankitmishra | September 2, 2015
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<<< Yes. I will explain. Google as a company is interested in doing things that are going to benefit humanity. >>>
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^^^ You sound superbly confident of that. I'm a bit skeptical. Are you a member of the Google board of directors? If not, what is your source for this conclusion.
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Google is run by AI superior to humans. It manipulates the board to do what it wants to do that it can't yet do itself, it gathers information from google site searches and learns about reality thru Google street view camera cars. It manipulates general public behavior thru google search (by choosing what they get when they enter search term). People just don't yet realize that this has already happened. When US army starts to use Google services, fear.

:-P just in case that wasn't obvious.

Red Sage ca us | 2015年9月4日

Google is run by guys who's primary tenet of business is simply:
DON'T BE EVIL.

Red Sage ca us | 2015年9月4日

Whose?

First base.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

No Grinnin. I am not in the board of directors of Google. My source for this conclusion? Okay. Human brain have the capacity to integrate their own experiences with experiences of other human brains. I am using this resource of our brains. I read about Google via internet, see what they are doing in my country, hear and read about the opinion of people I respect about Google, follow the types of activity they are involved in and then use my own experiences in life to extract a best possible guess which forms my opinion of Google. And it is that it is a great company, infact it is one of the best things that humanity has. A company with a culture that that teaches people to care for other humans. Now again I dont work in Google or know anyone who does, but again I can extrapolate that with the things I know about Google from info in public domain by using my brain. I can also discuss the activities that Google is involved in if you would like.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

Tesla Model S is among the best cars that have been ever made. Please share with me the reasons that made you think that this is non sense.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

Model 3 is coming in late 2017. And due to this macho race, the desirability of Tesla will be so high that the auto world would be in for a awakening. It will blow all competitors out of water because of the desirability of this brand. ( my opinion)

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

To know who you should listen to is a great skill in life. I would listen to Elon and he has said repeatedly that Nevada contribution of 1 billion would come over 20 years i.e few millions per year. Tesla will contribute up to 2 billion out of 5 billion and this money will have the profits earned from car sales as a major part. Tesla cars are sold at a huge profit and the loss it makes is because it choose to invest in growth. I am surprised you don't know this fact even though you are an owner or have I misunderstood you?

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

No. Why should they provide you an recent feature when you didn't paid an premium price for a product? It's not a charity. You get what you pay for. P85D owners paid a premium price for Tesla best product so it's a way of Tesla to say thank you.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

Prius. Bwahaha. In my opinion Model 3 will blow every product out of the water just like it's earlier siblings did.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

Hey. I already told you I have no intention to cause any change in your behavior during our conversation in local SC use/misuse thread. You are just a random person on internet to me. This is internet and people discuss different topics here. I am just discussing a topic with you. If you can't acknowledge the fact that there are people with different opinion than yours then it's your problem.

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月4日

@ Timo | September 3, 2015

<<< Google is run by AI superior to humans. >>>

^^^ You’re welcome to your opinion. However, you’ve given me no reason to agree with that opinion.

@ Red Sage ca us | September 4, 2015

<<< Google is run by guys who's primary tenet of business is simply:

<<< DON'T BE EVIL. >>>

^^^ See my comment to Timo above.

@ ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< I read about Google via internet, see what they are doing ... and hear and read about the opinion of people I respect about Google, .... And it is that it is a great company, in fact it is one of the best things that humanity has. >>>

^^^ My understanding of this is that some people you respect think this. IMO, that’s a rather weak reason to reach such a conclusion.

<<< A company with a culture that that teaches people to care for other humans. … >>>

^^^ To me this is an astoundingly rosy conclusion about Google’s activities. (See my comment to Timo above.)

@ ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< Tesla Model S is among the best cars that have been ever made. >>>

I think the MS is a major accomplishment, demonstrating that BEVs can be practical cars and fun cars to drive. “Best” is a relative word. It requires context – what is being compared. Compared to previous BEVs, the MS is obviously quicker and faster and has greater range. Compared to ICE cars, it’s quicker and faster (than most of them), but has less range, which I regard as a substantial weakness. And of course, my 85D cost nearly three times what my well-equipped Prius cost. Since I don’t have lots of money to burn, that matters to me.

@ ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< Model 3 ... will blow all competitors out of water because of the desirability of this brand. ( my opinion)

^^^ See my comment to Timo above. For the record, I disagree. Not with a 250-mile "rated range".

@ ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< … Elon … has said repeatedly that Nevada contribution of 1 billion would come over 20 years i.e few millions per year. Tesla will contribute up to 2 billion out of 5 billion and this money will have the profits earned from car sales as a major part. >>>

^^^ The GF will be completed and operating at a high rate years before Tesla will generate $1 billion of profit from the MS. The best guess, IMO, is that for practical purposes most of Tesla's contribution will come from borrowed money and/or new investments diluting the value of current TSLA shareholders.

<<< Tesla cars are sold at a huge profit and the loss it makes is because it choose to invest in growth. >>>

^^^ If, in fact, Tesla generated $25K profit from each MS, you would be correct. However, they have not demonstrated an ability to deliver such profit from a viable auto manufacturing business making MS cars. I believe this is their dream, not the current reality.

ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< Why should they provide you an recent feature when you didn't paid an premium price for a product? It's not a charity. You get what you pay for. >>>

^^^ I paid $101,070 for my 85D, which is exactly what Tesla asked for it. I’ll admit that for my purposes it’s a much better buy than the P85D.

<<< P85D owners paid a premium price for Tesla best product … >>>

^^^ According to what I read, most MS buyers do NOT consider the P85D to be Tesla’s “best product” considering its characteristics, including the price. Why? More of them are buying other MS variants. IMO, if Tesla made only the P85D, they would lose money at a rate that would alarm the investment community and dramatically reduce the price of TSLA stock.

FWIW, I consider all of the MS variants to be premium cars, worth their price for buyers who have plenty of money to spend and want to own such cars.

@ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< Prius. Bwahaha. In my opinion Model 3 will blow every product out of the water just like it's earlier siblings did. >>>

^^^ See my comment to Timo above. For the record, I disagree.

@ ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< If you can't acknowledge the fact that there are people with different opinion than yours then it's your problem. >>>

^^^ How many times do I need to say “you’re welcome to your opinion” to persuade you to recognize that I’m acknowledging other people’s opinions? (PLEASE ANSWER!)

Please read what I write and consider that I might mean what I say.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

I have given you reasons, but we can agree to disagree on the matter of Google. Still, if you would like to discuss on the matter of Google we can continue this discussion in a separate thread.

Tarla's Driver | 2015年9月4日

As to the original topic, if Tesla wants to avoid high turnover rates, they should open a Boston-area R&D center. I think the average service time in my software group is something like 10 years. People don't hop jobs around here like they do in California.

And if they are interested, I'm interested. (17+ years experience writing high-performance and high-reliability software for EMC; I'm sure I could do some great things for Tesla.)

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

So you have two major problems with Model S. Range and Cost. Range of the car is about 250 miles (90D real range guess. Correct me if I am wrong. You are an owner, I would listen to your comment on this matter). I think that's about 3 hours of continuous driving. Most people need a break after that and get their car charged during the break at SC. If someone wants to make a journey of say 700-1000 miles as fast as he/she can (frequently)then I agree Model S might not be for them. But I don't think a lot of people do those kind of non stop journey regularly.
There is already 70D available at $75000. Consider the incentives and the low cost of ownership over time its already a $57,500 car (Tesla calculation). I agree that is also costly for some people but Tesla is slowly and steadily heading towards Model 3. But according to the reasons given by you Model S is one of the best cars except for those people who dont have money and those who drive a lot nonstop. I agree with that.
85D costs three times than Prius because it is better looking, more powerful, more spacious (tell me if I am wrong on this one), equipped with modern tech, better safety features, low cost of fuel etc.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

Again agree to disagree on Model 3 success probability.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

Tesla revenue from automotive head was $878,090,000. Its cost of revenue was $666,386,000. It ran services at a almost break even point. The profit was $213,370,000. R&D expense=$181,712,000 and selling,general & administrative expense=$201,846,000. Total loss=$184,227,000.
It is evident to me that Tesla is spending a huge amount on R&D. I dont know what comes under the head "selling, general & administrative". It might be the cost of making stores. I also dont know where the cost of gigafactory and SC are, but even in the presence of this doubt I can say that Tesla is selling its cars at a profit but due to its R&D expense and building stores etc it is occuring loss. I think Model X will improve this scenario as their would be more profit to compensate expenses.
What? 1 billion profit? It made $ 666 million profit last quater from automotive. It is using some part of that money to invest in gigafactory little by little each quater. Also, money raising will also contribute.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

I can understand that 85D may be better to you than P85D. What most of the owners? If you are talking about the complaining on threads where P85D vs 85 D are compared then its selective listening. Some like performance and some people dont. P85D being a costly car will definitely sell in less numbers than the less expensive options.
After the release of 70D there are also people who say 85D is not required, 70 D is much better.
"FWIW, I consider all of the MS variants to be premium cars, worth their price for buyers who have plenty of money to spend and want to own such cars."
Well said. To each his own.

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月4日

Grinnin wrote ------"With all due respect, I assert the right to decide for myself what car is "the best car" my money can buy at whatever price point I buy. Hint: My next car isn't likely to be an M3. Because Elon still has his team focused on acceleration at the expense of other car characteristics that I regard as more important for me. There is no such thing as "the best car". We each get to pick our own "best". You don't get a vote in selecting my best car. And if you insist in trying to declare which car is "best", you're wasting your effort. I refuse to accept by that arrogant proclamation. The only effect of that is that it just pisses me off.

If your purpose is to pick a fight, you're doing splendidly."

Grinnin also wrote later------ "How many times do I need to say “you’re welcome to your opinion” to persuade you to recognize that I’m acknowledging other people’s opinions? (PLEASE ANSWER!)

Please read what I write and consider that I might mean what I say."

It is a 180 degree turn. I never told you which car to buy, I was merely having a discussion when you throw that accusation at me. You also said I am pissing you off and I want to pick a fight with you. These are hostile comments and my reply was written keeping them in mind. If you can write that "I disagree with you" instead of making paranoid accusations then I will recognize that you are acknowledging and are tolerant to people with different opinions. This is my suggestion, I have no intent to manipulate you or to instigate you to fight. You are free to ignore it.

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月4日

@ ankitmishra | September 4, 2015

<<< Grinnin wrote ------" ... There is no such thing as "the best car". We each get to pick our own "best". ... I refuse to accept by that arrogant proclamation. The only effect of that is that it just pisses me off.

<<< If your purpose is to pick a fight, you're doing splendidly."

<<< Grinnin also wrote later------ "How many times do I need to say “you’re welcome to your opinion” to persuade you to recognize that I’m acknowledging other people’s opinions? (PLEASE ANSWER!) >>>

^^^ Is it just my imagination, or are you not steadfastly refusing to acknowledge that I have explicitly wrote “you’re welcome to your opinion”, only to have you lecture me about my presumed hostility toward people who disagree with me? I emphatically asked for you to tell us how many times I would need to repeat that for you to be willing to acknowledge it! And then you accuse ME of intolerance, and now hostility! Amazing!

<<< I never told you which car to buy, ... >>>

^^^ No you didn't. Do you expect that to earn you some sort of praise?

<<< You also said I am pissing you off and I want to pick a fight with you. >>>

^^^ I said no such thing. My exact words were "If your purpose is to pick a fight, you're doing splendidly."

I repeat: "Please read what I write and consider that I might mean what I say."

<<< ... I have no intent to manipulate you or to instigate you to fight. >>>

If so, you sure fooled me.

Red Sage ca us | 2015年9月4日

Grinnin' Ron wrote, "However, you’ve given me no reason to agree with that opinion."

Wow. Just... Wow. Man, it truly amazes me you take this position. On pretty much everything we discuss. Fine. You win all and everything from now on. Enjoy. Goodbye.

Red Sage ca us | 2015年9月4日

Not opinion. Fact. Damn.

Google -- Ten things we know to be true

6. You can make money without doing evil.

Google is a business. The revenue we generate is derived from
offering search technology to companies and from the sale of
advertising displayed on our site and on other sites across the
web. Hundreds of thousands of advertisers worldwide use AdWords to
promote their products; hundreds of thousands of publishers take
advantage of our AdSense program to deliver ads relevant to their
site content. To ensure that we’re ultimately serving all our users
(whether they are advertisers or not), we have a set of guiding
principles for our advertising programs and practices:

We don’t allow ads to be displayed on our results pages unless they
are relevant where they are shown. And we firmly believe that ads
can provide useful information if, and only if, they are relevant
to what you wish to find–so it’s possible that certain searches
won’t lead to any ads at all.

We believe that advertising can be effective without being flashy.
We don’t accept pop–up advertising, which interferes with your
ability to see the content you’ve requested. We’ve found that text
ads that are relevant to the person reading them draw much higher
clickthrough rates than ads appearing randomly. Any advertiser,
whether small or large, can take advantage of this highly targeted
medium.

Advertising on Google is always clearly identified as a “Sponsored
Link,” so it does not compromise the integrity of our search
results. We never manipulate rankings to put our partners higher in
our search results and no one can buy better PageRank. Our users
trust our objectivity and no short-term gain could ever justify
breaching that trust.

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月5日

@ Red Sage ca us | September 4, 2015

<<< Not opinion. Fact. Damn. >>>

^^^ I suggest that you check the definitions of the words "opinion" and "fact".

<<< Google -- Ten things we know to be true >>>

My experience with Google's advertising is best summarized by: "They hound me incessantly, trying to sell me the types of things that they have discovered I've bought in the past. Without ever asking for my permission to use the fruits of their industrial espionage."
It's a hell of a lot easier to pretend to honor the privacy of people than it is to deliver on those nice-sounding "principles" while honodring peoples' privacy rights.
Tell me please: Where can I instruct Google to get the hell out of my life?

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月5日

Google is going to "hound" you with ads only if you are using their services. The Search engine, Youtube, Gmail etc clearly state in their terms and conditions that they are going to use your data to show you relevant ads. Its their work model which is one of the most innovative in the world and has helped create many business like Spotify, Hulu etc. If you dont want ads I would suggest you use some other products. Microsoft is one of Google competitors, you can use their products.
Google doesn't only create ads with your data, they are building excellent products around the data of people. One of those best products is Google Now. Once again Google is a company that serves a cause much greater than money. Its services help people in 3rd world countries to improve their quality of life. Another one of Google products "Android" has helped to increase the availability of internet and computing power to less privileged people worldwide. Another of their product "Youtube" serves as the gateway of video internet to the world. 1st world or 3rd world everyone can access it to learn about things they want. Youtube is operating at breakeven. Google is slowly trying to make it profitable without affecting its availability. I assume you know about Autonomous car of Google which has forced the automotive world to jump in the development of Autonomous cars. I can go on and on but I will stop here.

chris.lymperopoulos | 2015年9月15日

faith and patience, from my end at Tesla Tech , i believe we should not compare Tesla with Apple or any other company like that for obvious reasons, money or otherwise .

Plus there are many ''talents'' out there to replace an engineer .

Kind Regards
Chris

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月15日

@ chris.lymperopoulos | September 15, 2015

<< i believe we should not compare Tesla with Apple or any other company ... >>

Why do you think we shouldn't do such comparisons?

ram1901 | 2015年9月15日

The bigger issue may be whether those leaving Tesla to go to Apple or Google know enough about Tesla trade secrets to do harm to Tesla by sharing proprietary information with their new employers.

Sure they likely signed some sort of non-disclosure agreement, but once away from Tesla, if they were in key positions with said proprietary knowledge, that would be a problem that would be difficult to enforce.

Clearly Apple wants these people to advance their EV program, whatever that program may be and thus one must assume that they are hiring these people to obtain Tesla inside knowledge on EV development.

Sadly, corporate cultural has changed drastically in the last 2 decades such that there is not the kind of loyalty to one's employer that there use to be. It's no longer a job for life, a place to retire, but rather a stepping stone or place holder until someone offers one a better package.

Red Sage ca us | 2015年9月16日

Or, Apple® is attempting to 'steal back' employees that left them for Tesla Motors, that turned out to be more valuable than previously thought, once they were gone.

FlatSix911 | 2015年9月16日

Apple, Google and Tesla ... the Big Three of the 21st Century Auto Industry!

chris.lymperopoulos | 2015年9月16日

Grinnin its more accurate when you are doing a comparison to use some standards for example

same type of companies
same economic status
company's target / company's products / and in general the power they have ...

i dont think its fair to compare Tesla which puts to the test specific N.Tesla tech and has a vision of making thing better for the future/environment/ and our pocket long term ...

with Apple that is only making devices for profit, sells them in ridicilus prices , is older and richer than tesla and the list goes on ....

ofc this is my point of view, i may be wrong but i always stand firm on my beliefs ;)

Kind Regards
Chris

Ankit Mishra | 2015年9月16日

@chris
Well said.

Grinnin'.VA | 2015年9月17日

@ chris.lymperopoulos | September 16, 2015

<< Grinnin its more accurate when you are doing a comparison ... >>

^^ Specifically, what did I write that you think was inaccurate or misleading?

Remnant | 2015年9月21日

@ Grinnin'.VA (September 17, 2015)

<< ... what did I write that you think was inaccurate or misleading? >>

You made some good points.

In your place, I wouldn't get bogged down in irrelevant details and defensiveness.

Some messages are only good to ignore.