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Supercharging - pay per use?

Supercharging - pay per use?

For people who have the 60kW battery, does the $2000 charge actually give you additional hardware for supercharging or is it more like a pre-pay for unlimited use of the superchargers?

Can someone who owns a 60 and didn't pay the $2000 go to a supercharger and pay per use? If so, how much is that?

Thanks
Alex

HansJ | 2013年1月30日

> Can someone who owns a 60 and didn't pay the $2000 go to a supercharger and pay per use?

No.

gregv64 | 2013年1月30日

There's additional hardware. Tesla has stated that once the car is built without the option not only is it not possible to supercharge, it's not even possible to add the capability at a later time.

DTsea | 2013年1月30日

The supercharger hardware is actual wires etc to bypass the onboard charger and charge the pack with DC directly, I am told.

jjaeger | 2013年1月31日

Big ass wires that can accommodate 200+ amps though!

cpetrush | 2013年1月31日

I got the supercharging for my 60 but how do I know it's really in there? Besides trying to supercharge. I don't "see" any sign of this feature in the car.

GLO | 2013年1月31日

Yep, we use the Superchargers several times per week. They are awesome and free. Unless you pay for the wiring, you cannot use them. You might fry your car but what do I know...

riceuguy | 2013年1月31日

$2000 is for the hardware and the use of the superchargers...

hfcolvin | 2013年1月31日

To expand the question a bit - Will Supercharging be free forever? It might add up to a hefty overhead for Tesla once there are 40 or 50 thousand Model S out on the road. That might be an overestimate for the next few years for the Supercharge versions but you get my point. I hope that it does remain free but can see a day where maybe the Gen III will be a pay per charge. Possibly also a mix of pay per charge to avoid longer waits at the free chargers.

DouglasR | 2013年1月31日

Elon: "Drive for free, forever, on sunlight!"

Brian H | 2013年1月31日

hfcolvin;
Elon's words: "for life". It costs TM almost nothing. Solar City buys the electricity, and then sells power from its associated arrays to the utilities, generating more than the cars use over the course of a year -- and thus profits from the deal.

DTsea | 2013年1月31日

Cpetrush, there is a code digit in the VIN that tells you if you have supercharger.

Nexxus | 2013年2月1日

@Cpetrush

Also, when you plug in the supercharger, I would assume the monitoring system would let you know you can't charge or that charging isn't happening if you tried to use the SC without the option.

Brian H | 2013年2月1日

It would be more dramatic if the undercarriage went ZAP and burst into flames, but I guess you can't have everything ... ;(

dtesla | 2013年2月1日

MS will use about $5K in electricity per 150K miles (according to Tesla web site). My guess... SC is free because we have already per-paid the $1K (or so) the average MS owner will SC over time. So it is "free" forever.

defmonk | 2013年2月1日

I'm wondering whether the Supercharger economics actually work out. My estimate (based on $0.15 per kWh) is that I would have to drive about 5,700 mi per year on Supercharger routes over the expected life of the car to justify the additional $2,000. That's awful lot of trips to San Francisco from LA for me. Ultimately, I may justify it as the "price" of a factory pick up and tour.

jat | 2013年2月1日

Once you install solar, the energy produced from it is free until the panels need replacing.

Objective1 | 2013年2月1日

@defmonk

The question is not whether Supercharging is worth it compared to charging at home: the question is how much you are willing to pay to be able to take convenient long road trips.

There is no other solution for recharging Model S extremely quickly.

gregv64 | 2013年2月1日

+1: I don't really care whether they're free or not, that's just a small side benefit. It's their existence and what it means for where I can drive that counts.

jandkw | 2013年2月1日

My 60KW with supercharger enabled will be delivered next Tuesday. My closest supercharger is 375 miles away so it will be difficult to test if it works. How do I check if the car is wired or should I take their words for it?

hiajpm | 2013年2月1日

I belive the local shops are helping to support cost of Supercharging station's.

DouglasR | 2013年2月1日

@jandkw

Digit seven of your VIN should be "C" (or "D" if you have twin chargers).

mrjohnlnguyen | 2013年2月1日

Got my SC for free being a new adapter, get it! SC is awesome!

GLO | 2013年2月1日

The 60s that are wired for it are fine. I charge 2-3 times per week with my Supercharger enabled MS.

defmonk | 2013年2月1日

@Objective1: Yes, I agree that the implied mileage is not dispositive, since there is no workable alternative for road trips. It's simply the price that you pay to have legitimate road trip capability. However, for me, it is useful as a benchmark. The implied level of "break-even" utilization confirms my sense that the decision is driven by convenience more than economics.

Brian H | 2013年2月2日

Jeez, can nobody take the concept on board? TM has NOTHING to do with the electricity costs. It has handed over that side of the business operation to Solar City. Solar City will pay ($$, real money) to the relevant utilities. It will install solar arrays in association with some, not all, SC stations and sell the output back to the utilities. It will install enough across the n/w to more than compensate for all the power the cars use, and thus profit from the deal.

NONE of the money paid to TM is involved, except for the (inexpensive, per Elon) chargers themselves up front.

Jeez. Focus, people!!