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Performance Model 3 with 18" wheels

Performance Model 3 with 18" wheels

Can a Performance Model 3 with 18" wheels be ordered?
Would there be any discount in price?

Question is for a model Y preorder.

Thanks in advance.

s_wilcox63 | 2019年8月6日

I don't know how the Y will work. For the Model 3 the last time I was in for service about 2 weeks ago they mostly had Performance Model 3s with the 18 inch wheels on the lot. They were $3k more than the dual motor.

jc07 | 2019年8月6日

s_wilcox63 Do these Performance Model 3's have all the P features other than 18" wheels instead of 20"?

CS96 | 2019年8月6日

for the performance red brake calipers they require the 20's so thats one missing item.

model3AZ42 | 2019年8月6日

Jc07. It’s a P car minus 20 inch rims, larger brakes, lowered suspension, and spoiler. They do have track mode and same speed.

lechner | 2019年8月7日

same speed is interesting, because in Europe they are advertised with 262 km/h topspeed (163 mph)
but you proberbly will not get it unlocked, (because of the missig spoiler, and brakes?)

terry.k.morrow | 2019年8月7日

FWIW @CS96, 18s will fit a performance model with bigger brakes. Tire rack and discount tire both have options that fit over the calipers. I put 18 winters and wheels on my P3D+ last winter. Worked great and looked great.

Bighorn | 2019年8月7日

A Model 3 with 19” wheels and Performance acceleration can be ordered. You’re describing the original Stealth model which is no longer offered.

lbowroom | 2019年8月7日

"but you proberbly will not get it unlocked, (because of the missig spoiler, and brakes?)"

That is incorrect. The top speed is the 162mph regardless of spoiler and brakes.

rxlawdude | 2019年8月7日

@big, you could order 18" aero wheels for the M3 AWD with P, but that option is now gone from the website.

Techy James | 2019年8月7日

On the website you can't order the P version without the Upgraded brakes and Spoiler, but I have heard you can do a call in or go to sales floor and order an off the books version that has the 18" and normal brakes. I also don't think that version comes with track mode either, but it does have higher top speed and a faster 0-60.

jimglas | 2019年8月7日

P3D- does come with track mode
At least mine does

chrisboylan | 2019年8月12日

There have been many reports of inventory Model 3s with the Performance spec and 18" wheels being available at some Tesla stores, at a nominal price increase over AWD. This so-called "P3D-" does have track mode. You can add the spoiler and aluminum pedals at an additional cost. But the larger 20" wheels and brakes are not something that can be added later.

ODWms | 2019年8月12日

Do we know if the PD3- also has the lowered suspension?

lbowroom | 2019年8月12日

It does not

Techy James | 2019年8月12日

What your referring to was the previous Stealth Performance model. It was original option without appearance package, and for a short while an off the books order, but don't think you can get it on M3 anymore. If the Model Y will have a similar option is unknown, but would be nice to have. All the fun of Performance without all the worry about those large rims being damaged on local poor roads in Northern Ohio.

lbowroom | 2019年8月12日

Techy - Tesla is selling it again in the US. Several reports of it available in stock at delivery centers now.

andrewmkam | 2019年8月12日

I just took delivery on one of these 'stealth' P3D. It does not come with:
- Larger 20" performance wheels
- Upgraded Brakes
- CF Spoiler
- Aluminum pedals

It does come with:
- Performance software + battery + dual motor
- All Performance badging

Let me know if you have any questions. I was able to order one off of existing inventory with the help of my DS, I did not configure this online.

shank15217 | 2019年8月12日

Here's the issue with P3D-, why? Just get a regular P3D and go to Tsportline and get their 18inch wheel set with tires. It costs like $2500 and you can save your very good but very fragile 20inch set for the track or even sell them for a small sum.

alienranch | 2019年8月12日

Anybody heard what the 0-60 times are for the Long Range Performance (stealth performance)? Won't be the 3.2 the Performance has as tires make a big difference and the 18's are designed to minimize rolling resistance, not be sticky like the summer tires on the Performance.

beaver | 2019年8月12日

@ alienranch the 0-60 times for P3+ and P3- are the same according to what I have seen in the dragy app (3.2 sec). The 19 or 20" wheels don't actually help acceleration at all, the 18s do just fine.

alienranch | 2019年8月12日

@beaver - all my high performance vehicles (Corvettes, Vipers and GT-R) have a marked difference between high performance tires and all-season tires (except the viper which only has high performance since they're 355's). The tires that come with the aero wheel are far from sticky and designed to reduce rolling resistance. There's no way they should equal the cornering or acceleration performance of the tires on the Performance model. May not be a huge difference, but there has to be degradation at the grip limit.

95dawg | 2019年8月12日

Both 18s and 20s are 235s. Same width tires.

rxlawdude | 2019年8月12日

Ask a question, get an answer, ignore it, and assert the answer to one's own question.

Why is it always the ones that name drop all the expensive toys they have?

95dawg | 2019年8月12日

Yes, 20s should theoretically perform better than 18s, but there are couple factors I think we should consider, with everything being equal except for wheel diameter:

- EV motor's "instant torque" also means instant optimum torque when mated with well programmed traction/launch control. Motor can be modulated so much faster than mechanical ICE. I think that nullifies the benefits of high performance street tires vs. all season street tires, for straight line performance. Especially when stock 18s and 20s have same width.

- I'm going to assume M3 235/35-20 wheel/tire combo has higher unsprung weight than M3 235/45-18. If so, it could negatively impact performance.

- Slap on high performance street tires on the 18s, I imagine it could actually perform better than 20s in certain situations. The sidewall height diff is not that much, 45 vs 35. Sure, it makes difference on a track, but for street driving and light-to-light sprints, I think 18s would be just fine. Besides, if you are going to track your M3, you want ultralight wheels with fatter shoes.

95dawg | 2019年8月12日

That is, "....everything being equal except for wheel diameter and tire compound"

ST70 | 2019年8月12日

how many discussions do we have to have on this???.....If only there was a way to search the forums....crap I went there...

lbowroom | 2019年8月12日

The car’s acceleration isn’t traction limited, so no difference in acceleration with sticker tires. Lateral acceleration is a different story, but I haven’t seen any numbers published. Wheel diameter has nothing to do with it.

alienranch | 2019年8月13日

A few points:
- As some have correctly stated, wheel diameter has nothing to do with the question about performance tires. Diameter is irrelevant except in regards to unsprung mass which has a substantial impact on pretty much everything. In fact (also noted above), all things being equal, 18's weigh less than 20's and with the same compound tire will outperform the 20's on the strip. The question has nothing to do with wheel size, and everything to do with the stock 18 tires vs stock 20 tires.
- @rxlawdude, you're an idiot. Not name dropping "expensive toys" to just drop names, but rather to directly relate my experience with my own cars using all season tires vs performance tires. I guess I could blank out the names of the cars to appease you next time.

If the car isn't pushing the grip limits of tire (which is typically what happens with all the nannies keeping the wheels from spinning), then the 0-60 times probably won't change. This isn't due to the tires, but rather that software is holding it back irrespective of wheel slip. My guess is that this isn't the case as some have noted VBOX drops of roughly .1-.2 seconds on Performance models when moving from stock tires to a harder compound for all season driving. That implies the car is accelerating to the grip limits as should be expected. I'm still on my original Performance model tires so I can't speak to this first hand. The compound on the stock 18 tires is designed for efficiency and not performance. If the car is indeed accelerating to its traction limits, hard compounds don't perform as well as softer compounds, any more than winter tires will perform over summer tires.

This has nothing to do with Teslas and everything to do with tires (not wheel diameter). It's possible the lower grip tires are offset by the reduced unsprung weight. Just curious if anybody had heard of tests being done (and accelerometers in phone apps aren't precise enough).

beaver | 2019年9月19日

Fingers crossed I can get a new stealth perfwncs model 3 by end of the month.

Bated Breath | 2019年9月19日

Im scheduled to pick up mine Saturday, September 28th. It is red and has the 19" alloy wheels and they reduced the price by $3,500 so I get both upgrades for free.

I am trading in a 2018 RWD LR if I don't sell it to a private party within the next week.

beaver | 2019年9月19日

@Bated Breath sounds great, good luck. I have a feeling I won’t get it but I am trying. The AWD is a great car anyways, they all are

Sk55 | 2019年9月21日

@Bated breath, what is the cost difference with trade in, how much trade in value is the 2018 LR RWD. I am thinking about doing the same thing

beaver | 2019年9月21日

I was matched to a stealth performance P3- with 19” wheels. I wanted the 18s but haven’t been able to find them and they won’t switch or comp the wheels

Bighorn | 2019年9月21日

I think the 18s were only a thing in 2018 before the PUP got rolled in. I've only heard of 19s on this latest offer.

Bated Breath | 2019年9月22日

Sk55: The difference is $13,588; however I received $2,000 for "diminished value" after an accident in June so I consider this to be an $11,588 upgrade. All prices are all-inclusive.