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Powerwalls & Solar - How to get up to 10% more power!

Powerwalls & Solar - How to get up to 10% more power!

For those with solar and Powerwalls, I wrote this article that explains some easy ways you can get a little more effective power out of your system and increase Powerwall longevity. https://teslatap.com/articles/solar-powerwall-system-optimizations/

Atom12 | 2020年5月11日

Yep. Avoid the PW round-trip and wear & tear.

Solar direct charging is the best way to charge an EV. I wrote a script that automates keeping my 3 topped off whenever I'm feeding the grid. Elon could make it so much better if he allowed API charge_current control. As it is now I leave it at 11 Amps (NEMA 14-50). Works fine with the reduced travel of SIP but really could be so much better with automated charge_current control.

You did not mention the hot-tub. When the excess is high bump up the tub temp past where you normally use it at night. Just don't forget to lower it!

Atom12 | 2020年5月11日

...also, your last line “if the savings are minimal, it may not be worth the bother.”

That’s absurd!

As micro-grid operators it is our duty to optimize every little bit.

;-)

adam.lippiatt | 2020年5月11日

Good article.

You get very little for feeding back into the grid so the idea is to use your solar before you "lose" it to the grid. Using solar on major appliances / loads during the day with the surplus being soaked up by the Powerwall seems to be the best strategy, lightening the load on the Powerwall (charge and discharge) as a side benefit.

The one thing I don't have is a large night time load as I only have a small ev which can charge during the day.

When eventually I get a larger ev which requires more electricity than my solar can produce, I will be interested to see if the Powerwall will "save" its charge when it sees a large load for hours during the off-peak period in the middle of the night (when you would set the ev to charge).

With the TOU settings this is how it works now if it has a relatively low SOC and there is an early morning peak period. In this case it will switch to grid during the off-peak period saving its SOC for the peak period when there will be insufficient solar power to support loads.

If we have days of low insolation, the Powerwall will actually take some charge from the grid during the off-peak period so that it is ready to discharge for any peak period.

TeslaTap.com | 2020年5月12日

I just got 1.46.0 for the Powerwalls. Now you can limit EV charging in a power outage. Sweet!

@adam.lippiatt - What country/state are you in? In California, you can't charge the PW from the grid, except for Storm watch.

Atom12 | 2020年5月12日

Do you have a Wall Connector?

I'm on 1.46 and do not have that feature. My script automatically does that (except for charge_current of course) so I don't care. But, I'd like to know how charge_current is handled. I'd be interested if you run the test.

TeslaTap.com | 2020年5月13日

No WC, just a NEMA 6-50. I dialed down the charge to 16 amps in the car, as I'm not driving much these days with the lockdowns :( I don't think the feature matters how the car is charged as I think it communicates with the car directly.

It may be the 1.46 App charging EV limits in a power failure feature is only in select markets? There are so many strange laws about what you can and can't do in each area, it's amazing they can figure it all out. Just to be sure, it's in the app, under Customize, and you have to scroll down as it's below the Stormwatch feature.

gregbrew | 2020年5月13日

FYI. I'm in So. CA, don't own a Tesla vehicle, am running 1.46.0 on the Powerwalls, and the "Vehicle Charging During Power Outage" option appears under "Storm Watch" option on my Android, which is running Tesla app version 3.10.5.

adam.lippiatt | 2020年5月13日

@teslatap.com - I am in Western Australia. We are allowed to charge from the network here. I can't work out why a power company wouldn't want you to (apart from the time you take it). The Powerwall is great - it will take from the network only during off-peak hours and rather than drawing electricity at full capacity will take what it wants over the extended period at a lower rate. The downside of our market is that we can only take electricity at the variable rates of the retailer, not at the wholesale price. Other States of Australia allow you to agree with a retailer exposure to the wholesale market which can potentially expose you to very low prices (at least at the energy level). That requires more management though - something not built into the Powerwall but could be with other control software.

Rubber Toe | 2020年5月25日

I just got two PW installed so I’m still in the learning/investigative phase. I’m very cautious when it comes to batteries so I’m trying to see what routine would help me Avoid the wear n tear. I normally export to the grid so right now I’m on Self Powered at 95% but I’ve had a couple of rainy days so I’ve seen that 5% used and recharge multiple times on the same day. Not sure if switching to 100% for most of the day then changing to 95% once solar is gone would get me to only use that percentage once daily. Again, probably this question has been asked multiple times! So I’ll keep reading at the forums.

Rubber Toe | 2020年5月25日

I just got two PW installed so I’m still in the learning/investigative phase. I’m very cautious when it comes to batteries so I’m trying to see what routine would help me Avoid the wear n tear. I normally export to the grid so right now I’m on Self Powered at 95% but I’ve had a couple of rainy days so I’ve seen that 5% used and recharge multiple times on the same day. Not sure if switching to 100% for most of the day then changing to 95% once solar is gone would get me to only use that percentage once daily. Again, probably this question has been asked multiple times! So I’ll keep reading at the forums.

TeslaTap.com | 2020年5月26日

@Rubber Toe - The way Lithium batteries work is they have a lifetime that is defined by the number cycles of 100% SOC to 0% SOC and back to 100% SOC, where the battery has 30% degradation.

In practical terms the Powerwalls are rated for 5,000 cycles - meaning after 5,000 cycles it should have at least 70% capacity. So at end of life, they still have useful capacity, but not as much as new.

Ok, if you charge 100% SOC to 90% SOC and back to 100% SOC, that is only a tenth of a cycle, so you should be good for 50,000 cycles! These are all a rough guide, but in your example, you should be able to have 100,000 cycles with a setting of 95% and never using the backup feature. There could be other factors, but this is a good guideline to understanding battery longevity.

mem10123 | 2020年5月26日

Tesla should implement an automatic mode here. Have the Energy Gateway talk to the car, and if it's plugged in AND you're generating excess energy that would otherwise go to the grid, tell the car to start charging and control the Amperage such that it will consume the extra energy, instead of sending it to the Utility Grid.
Given the ability of the newest software to slow the car's charge rate during an outage, this should be pretty simple for them to implement. Already demonstrated it's 100% possible to throttle the car automatically.

gregbrew | 2020年5月26日

It should be pointed out that the PWs have an *unlimited cycle* ten-year warranty, if charged exclusively from the solar array.

https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/powerwall/powerwall_2_ac_...