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Car is sitting in Philly Airport Bricking

I parked my car at Philly Airport to head to NC for my father's funeral. It's losing charge at such a high rate it will be empty by the time I get back on Monday. I wish someone had told me not to leave the car in an airport.

Roadside Assistance didn't have any answers except to hope for the best (that's literally what they said).

Any suggestions other than flying home to rescue the car and miss my father's funeral.

KevinR.co.us | 7 februari 2013

That doesn't sound right. I sincerely doubt you would lose all charge in a few days. You would also be contacted by Tesla if there was any risk to your battery. Your remote app. can tell you your charge state. Sorry for the loss of your father.

SD Supercharger | 7 februari 2013

i thought the vampire load was supposed to decrease as the charge level reached 5-10% of maximum. I think you should be ok. Give Tesla a call. Let them know what your current charge level is and when you return. They will advise you.

You might not have much range left, but based on previous threads I have read, you should be able to leave the car for at least several weeks or longer without the fear of it bricking.

ylyubarsky | 7 februari 2013

How many miles is it loosing an hour?

noel.smyth | 7 februari 2013

if you can get me a fob i will go there there and get your car and charge it up at my house and leave it back there for you as i am flying out of philly on sunday night.

DTsea | 7 februari 2013

Maybe you could download the ios or android app and check on it?

Vall | 7 februari 2013

As far as i understood, when the battery drops below 50% from sitting idle, the car basically goes into deep sleep, and the load is very minimal. So you may be losing a lot of energy initially, but that doesn't mean it will be like that until it drops to zero.

david | 7 februari 2013

Philly airport doesn't have EV chargers? Denver airport has charger parking spots reserved for EVs, inside the garage, right next to the handicap spaces. Free.

bjm | 7 februari 2013

Noel,

What an amazingly generous offer! You are the epitome of the Good Samaritan. We should all follow your example.

-J- | 7 februari 2013

Hi Dan, I saw your post and forwarded it to the right people. Just wanted to let you know that you will be contacted by Tesla Service in the morning.

queni | 7 februari 2013

Remain positive! Our S has been sitting for 9 days without charging. Started with only 190 and as of today it's down to 109. Glad to have the app to keep up on how many miles are left. But we live in CA and the weather isn't like what your S is going thru. Keep us posted.......

nickjhowe | 7 februari 2013

Cool that TM are watching the forum. +1 @jmeyers

And +1 @Noel.

Vawlkus | 7 februari 2013

The lower the SOC gets the slower the rate of discharge. IMHO, provided you get back within two weeks or so, the battery should still have some charge, it's just impossible to tell how much it'll have.

Is there anywhere near where you can recharge it after you get back?

JoeFee | 8 februari 2013

You should be ok….

Volker.Berlin | FEBRUARY 24, 2012
Tesla cared to publish a reply:
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/plug-it

Excerpt: The earliest Roadsters will take over two months to discharge if parked at a 50 percent charge without being plugged in. From that starting point, Tesla has consistently innovated and improved our battery technology. For example, a Model S battery parked with 50 percent charge would approach full discharge only after about 12 months. Model S batteries also have the ability to protect themselves as they approach very low charge levels by going into a “deep sleep” mode that lowers the loss even further. A Model S will not allow its battery to fall below about 5 percent charge. At that point the car can still sit for many months. Of course you can drive a Model S to 0 percent charge, but even in that circumstance, if you plug it in within 30 days, the battery will recover normally.

I am 3146 | 8 februari 2013

@DandD..I just saw the post...I would be more than happy to help as well...I will call and follow up with Philly Service Center and see if there is anything I can do as well. I am in South Jersey and would be more than happy to store your car at our house in one of my garages as well. It will keeep our S happy until the X arrives. I can be contacted at jon@mamacitainc.com

@David--Philly is the City of Brotherly Love but the airport at $24 dollars a day for short term parking hasn't thought to add EV chargers yet.

noel.smyth | 8 februari 2013

@DanD - Looks like Tesla service will take care of you but the offer still stands. Also if you need to add any range for your travel home you are welcome to charge at my place in Havertown, exit 9 off of 476, about 15 miles from the airport. noel.smyth@verizon.net.
good to see so many willing to help you! you will be ok. Sorry about your loss.

jeroens | 8 februari 2013

This raises an interesting question (feature request?) could I share my charge with another Model S owner.

Say I'm fully charged and a fellow MS owners is (almost) stranded it would be nice if I could connect my car to be the charger of the other car and e.g. 'move' 50% (at high speed DC) over to the other car....

noel.smyth | 8 februari 2013

@jeroens - I thought the same thing,. should be added to the future enhancements list. need an adapter for the end of our charging cable and the necessary software controls for the charging screens. could be an awesome application. Wonder if its possible..

prash.saka | 8 februari 2013

@DanD, sorry for your loss. Worrying about Tesla should be the last thing on your mind, especially during this time for you. I am glad that the Tesla ownsers family is here to help you out in any way we can.

+1 Noel.

jaq1 | 8 februari 2013

Hmmmmmm, this sounds terrible. Waiting to hear an update from DanD. Lots of good advice from the Tesla community. Very sorry for your loss.

GeirT | 8 februari 2013

@ jeroens,

A very good idea! See the positive response to DanD's dilemma. We are still a 'selected few' and as all Haley Davidson riders know (yes, I am one), on the road we are family and will help out should anyone be in need, anywhere. And frankly, the chance of loosing juice is one of the things we are all going to face sooner or later. A transfer possibility is THE thing. TM needs to take this option seriously.

Brian H | 8 februari 2013

Also opens the possibility of service trucks with honkin' great 500kWh batteries on call to fast-charge strandees!

L8MDL | 8 februari 2013

AAA offers electric charging services:

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/range-anxiety-reducer--aaa-unveils-mobile-ev...

Not sure how widespread it is at this point (article is from July).

Brian H | 8 februari 2013

Yeah, now they just need to make the batteries bigger and the Charging Level faster than Level 3, and Bob's your uncle!

Superliner | 8 februari 2013

@ Brian

Sounds like a business opportunity "on the horizon". Any investors out there, I'll draft a prospectus I need a new job anyway!

jeroens | 8 februari 2013

fun, but seriously...

There is a great community spirit under Model S drivers and sharing juice would be a great thing.

I would share with anyone in need and this would be a great (industry & community) statement (and might also lessen the range anxiety discussions)

noel.smyth | 8 februari 2013

and think about having an app in the car that would send out the distress signal to all Tesla Owners who would get a map location of the stranded driver and the ability to respond through the app to let the other Teslites know that you have this one covered.. when there are tens of thousands of these on the road this may work very well. If it can be done without damaging the good samaritan's battery and the technology can work, this could be pretty cool...

GoTeslaChicago | 8 februari 2013

+1 Noel

Better us Model S owners come to the rescue!

I have my doubts about AAA

"The trucks will be able to provide 10 to 15 minutes of charge time, which should provide enough juice for the EVs to travel three to 15 miles to a charging station to top off the charge, according to AAA."

I find it hard to believe that they could put a level 3 charger (480 volts) on a tow truck. And if not, 3 to 15 miles in 10 to 15 minutes sounds very optimistic. Maybe 3 miles is possible, but not 15.

L8MDL | 8 februari 2013

Here's your supplier for your business opportunity:

http://www.evmobilecharging.com/index.htm

$41,500 for their level 2 fast charger...

GoTeslaChicago | 8 februari 2013

L8MDL

$41,500 is for the Level 3 charger. Level 2 for about $10,000.

Makes that idea of a Model S to Model S connector sound much more cost effective!

Sudre_ | 8 februari 2013

DanD has been around this forum for a while now. I would imagine he has seen the posts about the batteries for the S and the Roadster. Still curious to hear the dire report about what level his charge is actually at. The battery is certainly not bricking just running down on charge. It won't start bricking until it reach zero charge...... but anything for attention I guess.

GeekEV | 8 februari 2013

@Sudre_ - Being a techie, the whole "bricking" thing bothers me too. Many people misuse the term. Even things that seem bricked to a layperson are often just rendered inoperable (or, as I call it, "hosed") and can be recovered by someone knowledgable. There's a big difference between being out of juice, being hosed and being bricked.

DanD almost certainly won't be bricked or hosed and, by all accounts, won't even be out of juice. Though he may be inconvenienced by having to stop somewhere and charge up before going home...

Sudre_ | 8 februari 2013

Exactly Geek EV. My car is on a truck coming from CA to Chicago before it gets detailed put on another truck and sent to me. They say it will take 7 to 10 days for it to get to Chicago. I am 100% confident it won't brick riding in the back of the truck to Chicago in rather cold weather. I am also pretty sure it's not plugged in while riding in the truck.

jat | 8 februari 2013

Also a guy here had his car stuck an extra week on a truck because the lift was broken, and he still had 150+ mi left on the battery two weeks after shipment. That was with 4.1 though, so you can expect an extra 8 mi/day lost over that without sleep mode.

drp | 8 februari 2013

I wonder if We'll ever hear back from double D anyway. He didn't mention whether or not he left the key fob in the car and the car running.

olanmills | 8 februari 2013

I think, or hope at least, that the car can't brick itself in that short of a time, but maybe it is possible that the car will not have enough charge to drive and will have to be plugged in as soon as possible, and towed to a charging location if necessary.

wbrown01 | 8 februari 2013

I am sorry but I think he is pulling a fast one. If he owns a Tesla he would know what and what not to do; how long it would last, which should be weeks if not months. This is all sounds fishy to me. The handle "DanD" does look like I seen it before, so I maybe wrong, but nah, this is bull. One question, how does he know it's losing charge at a high rate, he knew it before he left and still drove it; Tesla called him, but they should only do that once you pass a certain percent. His post has very little detail, more like he is trying to start something. Any Model S owner would write a book.

Steve P5664 | 8 februari 2013

If true...so sorryforyour loss.

If a scam.... So great to hear so many Tesla owners are willing to go out of their way to help another! Part good Samaritan, part Tesla family support. As a middle school administrator, I've spent the month talking about "random acts of kindness". This is Just one more reason why I'm so glad to be getting my Model S next week
:)

Sudre_ | 8 februari 2013

DanD is not a scammer... he's just a little overly concerned (I hope.... something could be wrong with his car). There are several posts on the forum from him. He just hasn't posted much lately.

DouglasR | 8 februari 2013

Believe it or not, it's just possible he has more important things on his mind than his car.

bp | 9 februari 2013

I have a trip coming up in a few weeks where I will be gone the weekend and was planning to leave my new MS at the airport - and retaining charge has been a concern.

The comment above about the charge on the car upon delivery helped to relieve my concerns. My car was on the transport truck for over a week - and I still had over half of a charge when it got here - and I'm pretty sure the driver wasn't charging the car en-route.

It would be interesting to have a few customers post their experiences in leaving cars at the airport for extended periods - such as a week or longer - without being plugged in at a charger.

That real-world experience should help to allay fears about letting the car go for extended periods without being charged.

dstiavnicky | 9 februari 2013

From what I've heard, doesn't seem to be a need to worry for months...

I like the idea of an 'Supercharging energy truck' showing up with big batteries to quick charge instead of towing.

dqb | 9 februari 2013

I left mine at the airport for 5 nights/5 days with no problem. Temps got Down into the teens at night while away. This was with 4.1 SW , but I (foolishly, maybe) didn't put it in any sleep mode. Drive was 50miles each way and had 75 left when I got home (85kW).

Not sure if I would leave it for over a week without a little better planning. There is a local charging option at the airport, so could add some juice to get home if too low. That said, my wife pointed out it would be a shame to waste the car at the airport for extended periods, which is a good point.

dqb | 9 februari 2013

Should clarify...temps got down to the teens for 2 of the nights. I think 30s or 40s for the other 3 as I missed a little warm spell. But it was cold when I left and when I got back.

DanD | 9 februari 2013

OK. So here's the update.

The "miles left" display we have on the car and the app was indeed showing miles left dropping at a 25% rate per day which would have had left me stranded with my family at the airport.

Philly Airport doesn't have plugs. Something for us in the region to deal with.

My first call into Tesla Roadside assistance didn't help much as reported.

I called again yesterday (Friday) and the techs were able to tunnel into the car and see the actual battery charge.

Here's the thing. The miles left isn't the same thing as battery charge. It's a prediction based on lots of stuff including temp. My second call got me Patrick who explained all this. It turned out that in the second 12 hours I lost only 2% of charge and I've just called back again today (Sat.) and have lost another 2%. I'm currently at 62.6% charge and have 45 miles to home. Miles left shows 86. Even if it goes down another 10%, I'm OK.

So here's the summary. The miles left does drop fast at first and for my he first time leaving a car at the airport you can imagine the worry. However, the car loses charge at about a 2-4% a day rate.

Roadside assistance has gotten better and now understands how from a drivers point of view we have no way of knowing what's going on. They've given my a private number to call this weekend to check up on the car in case we need to plan more drastic action (like taking fellow owners on their generous offers).

So far I don't think it will be necessary.

Lessons from all this. We desperately need a way to check the actual battery charge AND we need much better information on forecasting loss while not plugged in.

drp | 9 februari 2013

Dan

Sorry for your loss. I am surprised you made it out of NY with all the bad weather.mbest to you

noel.smyth | 9 februari 2013

Dan - thanks for the info, glad it sounds like you will be fine when you get back. Sorry for your loss.

jbherman | 9 februari 2013

Dan,

Sorry for your loss and your troubles.

Is there any way to change the title of this thread? It's rather incendiary and is an invitation for non-owner detractors to go off on a wild tangent. The car was not truly "bricking," rather it's a reflection of range anxiety and the fear of "bricking" based on 1 or 2 previously reported events that I believe were later found out to be the fault of the owner. Many of us are new to this. I find myself constantly checking the SOC. We'll get comfortable managing all of this soon enough.

GeekEV | 9 februari 2013

@jbherman - Unfortunately I don't think it is. This forum software is very limited. Heck you can't even do a simple quote and reply, you have to do it yourself with HTML.

jbherman | 9 februari 2013

We should all be careful in the future with our thread titles and/or post them as private for owners and reservation holders. Not trying to upset Dan...he's had enough on his plate. "Bricking" is a very naughty word around here! It's just not reality.

jbherman | 9 februari 2013

Is the private thread option still available? I'm not seeing it. I haven't been on here in a while...too busy driving!

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