Where would you like to see Tesla set up Super Chargers?

Where would you like to see Tesla set up Super Chargers?

I have a couple long drives I undertake and came up with a list that would be convenient for me. Somehow I think Tesla will take a wider array of people into account :)

Here is where I would like to see them (for my personal convenience of course :) )
North Bay, ON
Barrie, ON
Stratford, ON
Niagara, Falls, ON
Erie, PA
Morgantown, WV
Beckley, WV
Charlotte or Statesville, NC

I actually anticipate Tesla will concentrate their super chargers in/near their hottest U.S. markets (at least initially), but I can dream about them being in more out of the way places.

Where would they suit you best?

Vawlkus | 22 februari 2012

Maybe follow the airport distribution method? Especially if S appeals to rental agencies......

Brian H | 22 februari 2012

Ah, yaass, Bahstan;
"I dwell 'neath the shades of Harvard
In the State of the Sacred Cod,
Where the Lowells speak only to Cabots
And the Cabots speak only to God."

But I hear excessive inbreeding has pretty much put paid to all that ...


Robert.Boston | 23 februari 2012

The Cabots all moved up to Vinalhaven and Bar Harbor, which is why we need Superchargers out there. :-)

andystj | 24 februari 2012



I35 Station I45 Station

San Antonio I10 Station Houston

Definitiely not to scale or direction, but these are three of this countries great cities, and we Texans move between them.

Sudre_ | 26 februari 2012

I was thinking more like placing one charger 150 to 200 miles outside every big city on major interstate highways, kind of along the same lines as David posted above. Looking at a map that should cover all major travel destinations with a few exceptions.
It would give plenty of coverage in case of bad weather with a 300 mile battery. In good weather a 240 mile battery would do just fine. I think most of us agree that the 160 miles battery is more of an around town car.

I think the cities themselves will end up with chargers on their own.

SO for example that would be one charge between (using my neck of the woods):

St. Louis and Kansas City
St. Louis and Chicago
St. Louis and Memphis
St. Louis and Indianapolis
St. Louis and Tulsa

Kansas City and Tulsa
Kansas City and Denver
Kansas City and Sioux Falls

Chicago and Minneapolis
Chicago and Indianapolis
Chicago and Cleveland

Memphis and New Orleans
Memphis and Dallas (might need two)
Memphis and Atlanta
Memphis and Knoxville
Memphis and Oklahoma City

Indianapolis and Cleveland
Indianapolis and Nashville
Indianapolis and Pittsburgh
Indianapolis and Knoxville
Indianapolis and Charleston

Just keep on extrapolating from there. Those 22 chargers cover a huge amount of travel.

Butch | 26 februari 2012

Salida, CO

Its a good place to spend an hour or more, and a great half way point between Denver and Southwest Colorado.

Tom A | 26 februari 2012

RB: Yes, and there's great shopping and food in Kittery, Freeport (home of L.L.Bean) and Portland. After that, Camden is nice - they have a great overlook at the park on Mt. Battey (sp?) that overlooks beautiful Camden Harbor.

It's not as high volume as other stretches of I-95, but I think they would get good use, at least from June to October.

space09 | 26 februari 2012

+1 andystj

Something between Dallas and Houston preferably where there is some good BBQ. :-)

mvbf | 26 februari 2012

I am going to just quote Robert Boston's suggestions for new england on a previous 100+ post thread on exactly the same topic:

@ncn: Agreed! An east-coast charging network would be easy and helpful. The I-95 corridor is the primary backbone. Working from the north, charging stations in New England should be set:

1. Augusta, ME: University of Maine at Augusta campus, I-95 exit 112. Between the state and university, this should be easy. From here, all of the tourist areas is reasonable (118 miles to Bar Harbor, 142 miles to Baxter State Park, even 240 miles to St. John, NB)

2. Kennebunk rest area (north- and south-bound). This is 25 miles into Maine, and gets you to all the south and mid-coast of Maine (105 miles to Camden ME).

3. (north-bound) NH welcome center, NH-MA state line; (south-bound) MW welcome center, MA-NH state line. This point is just north of the I-95 / I-495 split.

4. I-90 (Mass Pike) Charlton rest area: just east of the I-84 / I-90 split.

5. I-95, MA Exit 7. Not much here, but this is strategically located at the intersection of I-95 and I-495. Charge here and Cape Cod is entirely in range (117 miles to Provincetown). Also, hits just north of the I-95 / I-295 split around Providence RI.

6. New Haven. I-91 joins I-90 here, connecting easily to charging stations #4 and #5 above.

7. Greenfield, MA. About 100 miles north of #6, 125 miles west of #3, and along the important Rte 2 east-west route. Also a hotbed of sustainable farming.

8. Danbury, CT. About 110 miles west of #4, and just east of the I-84 / I-684 split.

9. White River Jct, VT. 84 miles north of #7, at the cross-roads of I-91 and I-89. 185 miles to Montreal.

10. Concord, NH. At the cross-roads of I-91 and I-93. Puts all of NH in play, including the White Mtn resorts.

I think that pretty well covers it -- 10 stations to serve 14.5 million people. Not a bad ratio.

Thanks Robert for the well thought out network. Just the idea of it puts a grin on my face.

Vawlkus | 27 februari 2012

Something to keep in mind for placing these stations: expanding battery range.
You don't want to place these chargers too close or when the 400 mile, 500 mile, etc battery come along those chargers will see a LOT less use.

Robert.Boston | 27 februari 2012

@mvbf: thanks for resurrecting that old post of mine!

@Vawlkus: As batteries become less expensive, you can put more kWh into a car at the same price point, or lower prices and keep the kWh (or some mix of lower prices and greater range). To expand the market for EVs, their price has to drop. So, I expect that a robust charging network spaced ~150 miles apart will continue to be valuable for decades -- if for no other reason to provide EV drivers peace of mind.

Volker.Berlin | 27 februari 2012

Vawlkus, I agree with Robert.Boston. In addition, less use due to longer-range batteries will probably be more than offset by many more EVs on the road! Think of how many gas stations there are, despite the fact that many gassers have ranges of more than 300 miles. More charging stations will simply allow for more flexible route planning, very welcome.

gjunky | 27 februari 2012

@Sudre: I think most of us agree that the 160 miles battery is more of an around town car.

I don't know about the majority but I certainly don't agree. Put the chargers 90-100 miles apart and let the 40Kwh battery be charged by them too.

This would also improve the availability of the chargers as more Tesla make it on the road.

gjunky | 27 februari 2012

It would be so nice if the quote tags would actually work...

stevenmaifert | 27 februari 2012

Definitely Barstow CA

brianman | 27 februari 2012

@gjunky - "Put the chargers 90-100 miles apart and let the 40Kwh battery be charged by them too."

So you're saying they should place batteries so that the distance is 40kWh-friendly even though no 40kWh Model S can use them? Odd.

brianman | 27 februari 2012

Correction: superchargers, not batteries

gjunky | 27 februari 2012

I was asking to have them put the chargers in a 40Kwh range AND allow for supercharging (perhaps at a lower rate to save the battery)

barbie.graver | 27 februari 2012

Routes that take me from the bay area to Vegas, Tahoe, LA, San Diego, and Yosemite. Also a few stops along Highway 1.

cerjor | 27 februari 2012

Half way between LA and Phoenix

David70 | 28 februari 2012

Someone needs to do a tally like MichiganModelS, but in a separate shorter thread.

Earl and Nagin ... | 28 februari 2012

100 mile separation is a bit close for the first phase of a rollout. With the Roadster, I prefer charging sites about every 130 - 160 miles. For the Model S, I think I would extend this slightly to maybe 150 - 180 miles.
This could be done with the 230 mile (60 kW) vehicles driving economically. Since I'm assuming those who really expect to be doing road trips will opt for the 300 mile (85 kW) version, they won't have to stop unreasonably often.
The second phase of rollout would undoubtedly split the gaps to allow 75 to 90 miles between stops, enabling a lot more flexibility as well as enabling shorter range EVs such as the Leaf.

EdG | 28 februari 2012

I think it's wrong to assume that the stations should be spaced something like 2/3 to 9/10 of the range of the expected vechicles. It has to be more often than that.

The equivalent would be if gas stations were spaced out every 250 miles on interstates. People don't only travel in straight lines, and they don't start with the same amount of charge or from the same place.

If you want to assume cars have at least 150 miles of range, then 50-125 miles apart would not be bad spacing. If I'm driving with less charge than can make it to the second charger, I have to stop. If I've plenty to make it, I don't. Why would some of us want to stop after 60 miles just to synchronize with the charging network spacing?

David70 | 28 februari 2012

Actually, with Tesla pointing out 150 miles (on 85kWh pack) in 30 minutes, I suspect that's what they'll be aiming at. I wish they could at least get the I-5 route finished by the end of 2012. That's a total of 9 superchargers counting the end points. The question is then "Can they be located near restaurants and other desirable businesses at those distances?" Of course, I want one at Barstow as well.

MichaelN | 28 februari 2012

Starbucks - everywhere

MichaelN | 28 februari 2012

you know - $5.00 for a coffee, $5.00 for a charge - no congestion - Starbucks might even pay to have the chargers installed - any Starbuckers out there?

Larry Chanin | 28 februari 2012

With the Roadster, I prefer charging sites about every 130 - 160 miles. For the Model S, I think I would extend this slightly to maybe 150 - 180 miles. -Earl and Nagin

Roadster range considerations are not really relevant to this discussion regarding SuperChargers placement because the Roadster's charging ports are not compatible with the SuperChargers.


DerekM | 3 april 2012

After going to the Santana Row event and playing with their mileage software I realized that with my driving habits on the freeway (closer to 75 than 55), I would probably only get about 245 miles of range with my 300 mile battery pack, which has changed my thinking about where I would like to see chargers.

I live in Berkeley, and regularly visit relatives in Sacramento and Monterrey. Since each of those locations are about 110 miles away I would only safely be able to go there and back on one charge without touring around while I was there, so I really need chargers in those locations to top off the tank, so to speak. So since there seems to be virtually a complete lack of chargers on the Monterrey Penninsula, I would like to see a charger there. And also one in Sacramento and one in Tahoe.

But maybe you guys can help me understand something else. Walgreens has been putting in chargers all over the country, but I can't find out anything about how to access them and how much they cost. Also, does anyone know how many miles I would get in an hour with those chargers (with the 85kwh battery)?

Also, there is a Tesla charger listed in Salinas. What kind of a charger would that be and what would it mean with regards to charging the Model S?

CurrieG | 3 april 2012

I would like to see the stations positioned appropriately between Toronto and Florida on the interstates so I can get to?from Florida with stops about ever three or four hours for lunch or over night. Plannong on an 85Kwh battery.

Brad Holt | 4 april 2012

Texas!! It'd be awesome to see them from North Texas (Denton, DFW) all the way down to Houston. The EVs are piling up here way more quickly than I expected! A few 3rd party chargers are popping up here and there, but some Tesla superchargers would be smashing!!

Brad Holt | 4 april 2012

Plus, knowing that you can easily drive from one end of Texas to the other makes a huge difference for Texans on the fence about EVs. :)

Sudre_ | 4 april 2012

The Walgreen's charger are J-1772 and the chargers are ChargePoint. You can go to ChargePoints web site and get a pass to use them. Many ChargePoint locations in general are free since the establishments are trying to encourage EV customers to stop by. A few I have seen (not at Walgreens) say to just come in and ask for a card to charge for free. There is also a phone number on the charger to call and they will turn it on for you.

There is a thread in the General forum.

DavidG | 4 april 2012

I agree with DavidM who suggested placement every 150 miles to allow the 230 packs to participate with margin. I don't want to go 55 mph on 70 mph roads; I don't want to arrive on empty; and I want to use the A/C, radio and lights; and I want to do it at end of pack life (good design). Pack life is 10% lost range, 65 mph appears to be a 10% cost, so that leaves a 230 pack with 15% margin for hills.

Tesla SM to Barstow, CA is 130 mi (I-15 & I-40); on to Las Vegas is 150 mi with mountains.

Tesla SM to Lost Hills, CA via I-15 is 140 mi; on to Patterson is 160 mi, with TM next door.

Tesla SM to Indio, CA is 140 mi with one windy hill; on to Buckeye is 210 mi; and Tucson is +154 mi.

Those with the 300 mi pack have 50 miles of flexibility on both ends. Most Angelinos will make Las Vegas with a single stop in Barstow. A Sig 300 in San Jose could blow off Patterson and go straight to Lost Hills, and then blow off Santa Monica and go on to Laguna Niguel. Flexible on both ends. :)

David den Boer | 4 april 2012

I'd like to see Hwy 99 in CA get one or two, and maybe somewhere between Bakersfield and Barstow? I like to take the high desert on the drive to Vegas!

DavidG | 4 april 2012

Almost forgot. I want superchargers to be multi headed. I want to see convoys of Teslas making these trips, not just one car per time slot. But of course, any charger is better than none.

DavidG | 4 april 2012

@David den Boer: Bakersfield to Barstow is 130 mi; and Fresno to Lost Hills is only 90 mi.

Lost Hills to Barstow is an iffy 176 mi for the 230 pack but fine for 300 packs. If in doubt, 230 pack should go via Santa Monica. 230 pack enabled doesn't mean totally friendly routing, at first anyway.

But you are correct that the state capitol of Fresno should be a hub. Are you a state politician? :)

DavidG | 4 april 2012

By bad, the capitol of CA is Sacramento.

David den Boer | 4 april 2012

Actually, I live and work in the Bay Area, so the drive through the high desert to LV is my favorite.

BYT | 4 april 2012

Bay Area guy here as well, sounds like you all have it covered! ;)

DerekM | 4 april 2012


Thanks for answering my question about Walgreen's charging stations. Now that time is close for actually getting my car (I am S#566), the practical consideration of where to charge the car on trips, before Tesla has time to install a lot of fast chargers, becomes real. Also, based on the link below it looks like the NRG settlement with the State of California may bring a lot more charging stations, but potentially incompatible with the Model S.

I guess it may be better to move that discussion to the other thread that you referenced.

I am so excited about getting my Model S that I can barely stand it!

alexandre.cesar | 5 april 2012

In Canada they would need to put some chargers on the main transportation links between Ontario and Quebec

Windsor, ON
Hamilton, ON
Toronto, ON
Kingston, ON
Ottawa, ON
Montreal, QC
Mont-Tremblant, QC
Trois-Riviere, QC
Quebec City, QC

P258 (Canada)

Jason S | 5 april 2012

@DMAC -- 200 CHADEMO stations would be incompatible but the 10000 "normal speed" are compatible.

However the Tesla fast charges are MUCH faster than the CHADEMO ones anyhow. So it seems like we'll be covered.

stevenmaifert | 5 april 2012

By the time the standards committee makes a decision this summer, nearly all of the DC fast chargers in existence will be using the CHADEMO standard and nearly all of the EVs on the road at that time will be CHADEMO compatible. California, with all its political clout, will be committed to CHADEMO. I would be surprised to see the committee go in a different direction, but stranger things have happened.

Enter TM. They march to the beat of their own drum, and none of their vehicles will be compatible with whatever the standards committee decides. TM makes a J1772 adapter for both the Roadster and the S Level 2 charging. I hope they will soon offer an adapter for Level 3 CHADEMO DC fast charging in the interim and a modified J1772 in the future if that's the way the committee goes. TM has promised us a nationwide Supercharger network. Hope I'm wrong, but I think that is months if not years away. Meanwhile, they will start delivering the S to us in July and we then wait for a practical fast charging solution to take it cross country.

Mark E | 5 april 2012

While I don't expect to see my model s in Australia until next year, I'd love to see chargers every 350 km or so along the main routes between Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

Chargers along the scenic routes would be great too - and could in the longer term help so many of the smaller towns that have lost out as the freeways bypass them.

JohhnyS | 5 april 2012

We like to visit the eastern Sierras so:
Lancaster, Lone Pine, Bishop, Mammoth, CA

Without chargers, I will have to take an ICE car on our backpacking and camping adventures.

William13 | 6 april 2012

@jmatson, RV plugs will work to charge and may be near where you go camping.

EdG | 6 april 2012

@jmatson: Park near a stream and bring a hydroelectric generator. When you get back to the car, you'll be fully charged. (Depending on a solar panel to charge your car for the few days is too risky: it might be raining.)

Seriously: I've wondered the same thing about my backpacking trips. Not sure I want to park my Model S in an unpaved woods parking lot, and leave it for 4 days.

DallasTxModelS | 6 april 2012

I'd like to see Supercharging stations at all Interstate Highway reststops. According to the next rest area signs before the exits to the rest area you are nearing they tend to be right at 100 miles apart. I travel from Dallas, TX to Columbus, OH a couple of times a year. I'd definitely like to see them along I-30, I-40, I-65, I-71 & I-70. All along these Interstates are very nicely landscaped, well lit with clean restrooms and picnic facilies.

The Pvilion a New York PhotoVoltaics company has designed a solar sail EV charging station that has been installed in Pflugerville, TX that is as beautiful to see as it is to use. Story and photo at the link below.

DallasTxModelS | 6 april 2012

Previous post is an artist rendering the actual photo of the solar sail EV charging station in Pflugerville, TX is at the link below.

William9 | 6 april 2012

Problem with using rest stops on interstates is that there is not a commercial outfit for TM to partner with. I chatted with one of the TM guys at the Santana Road event and he said they are looking for partnerships, whereby presumably big spenders would be lured into their establishments. The Harris Ranch site is a perfect example.