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Word of the week: SILLY

Word of the week: SILLY

Getting a dark look into some of our fellow consumers this week.

Oh the humanity. Try to stay positive.

Neomaxizoomdweebie | 4 maart 2019

I was at Publix yesterday to buy some Milk and I saw they had a Buy 1 Get 1 on the Kraft shredded cheddar and I was all like whaaat? I just bought that cheese 2 days ago and paid full price! AND I hadn't even opened it yet and now it's Buy 1 Get 1??? I drove home in a huff, grabbed that cheese, and drove back to return it and get my free cheese!

Magic 8 Ball | 4 maart 2019

Let me guess...............the bastards wouldn't give you cheese money back.

Oh the humanity

Magic 8 Ball | 4 maart 2019

Or in other words they wouldn't give you back jack.

Oh the humanity

M3phan | 4 maart 2019

Haha. But if the store was close to where I live, I have to admit, I would’ve returned it and repurchased for the extra cheese. Because you know, extra cheese!!!

Neomaxizoomdweebie | 4 maart 2019

All this whining is the same concept but on a much larger scale. I know it hurts some people mentally to watch the prices drop and analyze their personal losses but holy crap, if they did this with all of their purchases they'd never sleep when they realized how the world is constantly screwing them over! God forbid they ever invest in the stock market!

jordanrichard | 4 maart 2019

Magic 8 Ball and Neomaxizoomdweebie +1,000.

Did these people get their panties in a wad when they bought a new Camry at the beginning of the MY to only learn that the dealer drastically slashed the prices at the end of the MY to make room for the next MY versions.?

El Mirio | 4 maart 2019

I want it NOW!

fine print: Subject to whining and bitching.

ODWms | 4 maart 2019

Publix is one of the most customer friendly supermarkets you’ll find anywhere. Whatever entitlement minded, self righteous argument you could come up with to justify getting your way, they’d accommodate without a receipt or anything. Just sayin’.

bearsfan | 4 maart 2019

Went to best buy, bought a tv 65inch TV on Feb 19th. It went on sale on Feb 28th. I went to best buy with my receipt and they refunded the difference. Amazing how foreign this concept is around here.

Slidely | 4 maart 2019

+1 ODWms
@M8B - I have largely enjoyed your posts and rebuttals, but I do want to point out that when people buy other manufacturer's cars, they have the opportunity to negotiate the price. Tesla buyers pay the listed price, and some of us bought EAP and FSD with the car, with the intention to save money since Tesla said it would be more expensive after the delivery. While I love my P3 Stealth, I. like others, feel a little cheated. Other companies, like Publix mentioned above, strive for customer satisfaction, and would refund the difference in price of the cheese. Tesla is not satisfying their customers, they are alienating current customers in an effort to get more customers. I am also a shareholder, and am not happy with how the market has reacted to this. Protests in Taiwan, is the US next?

andy.connor.e | 4 maart 2019

Back in 2012, i bought all the components to build a desktop computer. A week later one of the parts i bought was 30% off. Did i get cheated?

CST | 4 maart 2019

Publix would have to throw away the returned cheese. Geez!

bearsfan | 4 maart 2019

@andy.connor.e yes you did. Maybe the price difference was not worth your time to go return or ask for the price difference. But yes you were cheated. Now if it was 2 months later, then i'd say no. but a week? yes, cheated.

andy.connor.e | 4 maart 2019

I hope thats sarcastic

Magic 8 Ball | 4 maart 2019

@Slidely I own probably one of the most controversial versions when it comes to price changes (a red 3P 'stealth' with SC free for life). If you feel cheated you need to learn from this and so do the others that feel cheated. No one put a gun to your head to buy and no one from TESLA said if you buy now you will save money because prices will go up. All those false expectations were put into your own head by your experience with Publix etc. and reading stories on the web.

You will read stories from myself, and others of all levels of wealth class, having no regrets or remorse over purchasing when we did. It is not part of our makeup or understanding where the entitlement comes from nor the confusion between value and money.

I am not happy about the market reaction but it is unclear what it is about (death crash M3, osborning M3 with MY, upset people,....). This goes on and on and on with TESLA and really is nothing new if you follow the history of the company.

terminator9 | 4 maart 2019

It is up to you if you feel cheated or not but if you would have taken it back with the receipt, they would have refunded the 30%. Most companies do price match for 30 days, costco does it for 6 months I think because it is the right thing to do.
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Back in 2012, i bought all the components to build a desktop computer. A week later one of the parts i bought was 30% off. Did i get cheated?

terminator9 | 4 maart 2019

I think you should learn from it and feel cheated. Some will feel cheated some will not - why should they learn from it and learn from it and you don't? Why does it make you right and them wrong? My point is actually not about cheated or not but it seems like you think you are right and others are wrong.
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Magic 8 Ball | March 4, 2019
@Slidely I own probably one of the most controversial versions when it comes to price changes (a red 3P 'stealth' with SC free for life). If you feel cheated you need to learn from this and so do the others that feel cheated.

Magic 8 Ball | 4 maart 2019

@terminator9 So you think I should be miserable and upset or is feeling cheated a good feeling and I got it all wrong?

terminator9 | 4 maart 2019

Sure why not.. experience all aspects of life. Experience Joy, sorrow, happiness, sadness, cheated, etc.. at times. Actually, I never said miserable and upset. Feeling cheated is fine, a person can feel whatever they want. If you don't want to feel it thats fine, but if others do there is nothing wrong with it.

terminator9 | 4 maart 2019

@Magic - May be the changes/amount here did not hit your threshold of "feeling cheated". May be if the difference was $20k, that would hit your threshold and you would feel cheated. May be if someone got the car for free then you would feel cheated. Or may be you never feel cheated because you are built that way. All is fine but that doesn't make others wrong who do feel cheated with their threshold being lower.

andy.connor.e | 4 maart 2019

Remember that 'feeling cheated' and 'being cheated' are 2 separate instances.

Magic 8 Ball | 4 maart 2019

I have been cheated before and learned from it. I don't feel cheated, in the slightest, by TESLA. In fact I am grateful for being able to get the car when I could. As someone who believes in TESLA I take great offense to those that say TESLA is doing something wrong here. To lay blame on TESLA for the feeling of being cheated is, IMO, a sad testament from those "protesting. SILLY ENTITLEMENT might be a better title for the thread.

terminator9 | 4 maart 2019

Some say that "fear" is not good and one should not fear anything. Some say that fear is what keeps them sharp and on their toes.
Some say that "struggle" is not good, is not joyful and not pleasant. Some say that struggle in life is what made them what they are today.

Aspects of life...

Neomaxizoomdweebie | 4 maart 2019

Is there any car dealership that will give money back after purchase because they have a sale months later? Real examples please.

jordanrichard | 4 maart 2019

I believe it was in the early 2000’s, like 2002 - 2004, Mercedes decided for the new MY, that all maintenance was included with the purchase of a car. As I am sure many here know, 4 yrs of Mercedes service at a dealer is not cheap. There was no protesting and foot stomping about that and 4 yrs worth of maintenance is no smal amount of money. That also theoretically dropped the value of the recent used Benzes. Just as when Tesla came out with AP in late 2014, the value of any non AP cars went down........

calvin940 | 4 maart 2019

@andy.connor.e You hit the nail right on the head. The whiners here are experiencing the former, but like to try to claim the latter which in this case is simply wrong.

Carl Thompson | 4 maart 2019

If you need to explain to people, at length and over and over, why they shouldn't feel the way they feel then perhaps _you're_ the one who doesn't get it! Just saying.

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(For the record I personally am not upset about the price changes. But I understand why some people are.)

Magic 8 Ball | 4 maart 2019

Some things are worth spending time on. The "feelings" of being shafted are unhealthy here and I hope to make a case for people to not blame TESLA for those "feelings". We are talking emotions that are driving people to say and do stupid things, hurtful to TESLA.

We have been round in circles many times over shooting oneself in the foot and despite your hiatus you are back to your same old tricks of enabling and encouraging whining.

@Carl writes; "perhaps_you're_the one who doesn't get it"

You are spot on with that. I have no clue who that statement is directed at. If at me, I do not recall making accusation of "you do not get it" to anyone and I don't think anyone really made that accusation.

M3skFaN | 4 maart 2019

Antonyms for silly:
intelligent
mature
reasonable
responsible
sensible
serious
smart
wise
mundane
practical

Since the only non-Silly Tesla Model 3 owner in the world is @Magic, how can we, the peasants admire his maturity, sensibility, smartness...?

Neomaxizoomdweebie | 4 maart 2019

The thing that would be the most silly of all is if Tesla idiotically chose to do something that would run the company out of business or make them less competetive, (such as keeping the price of their product too high for the masses to afford it) in order to keep current product owners feeling comfortable that they got the best deal. I'm happy that Elon is focused on moving product and keeping the company viable.

El Mirio | 4 maart 2019

@M3skFaN "how can we, the peasants admire his maturity, sensibility, smartness.."

By living with the decisions you took, instead of blaming your inability to evaluate a value proposition on others.

AWDTesla | 4 maart 2019

"As someone who believes in TESLA I take great offense to those that say TESLA is doing something wrong here. "

Pour muffin.

Magic 8 Ball | 4 maart 2019

A liquid muffin, genius!

Nexxus | 6 maart 2019

@Neomaxizoomdweebie, At the Publix store, that was a gouda for me but a badda for you, no?

Neomaxizoomdweebie | 6 maart 2019

@ Nexxus Yes, very badda indeed. Imma justa glad that the 2 for 1a wasn'ta happening ina the Father Guido Sarducci dvd section.

Hey, who has two thumbs and loves driving their Tesla?
THIS GUY! (2 thumbs pointing at chest).

derotam | 6 maart 2019

@terminator9, Is a company supposed to let everyone know when their price changes are going to happen? Are they supposed to tell you that "this is the lowest the price will ever go". No, it doesn't make good business sense. If Tesla said that in 1 year the car you want will be 20% of the cost, what would you do.. buy the car now, wait, buy a different car now? If a company did that they wouldn't get any sales for a year.

Now getting a little more serious... what do you want ANY company to do when there is a new product production ramp up on new technology that will get cheaper the more the production ramps up(economies of scale)? Should the company that puts out a car in low production $50k keep it at $50k after they ramp production and now it only costs them half as much to make? Wouldn't people then say ohh no, Tesla is ripping us off because they are now making TOO MUCH money on the car, why not pass on the savings to the customers.

How do you propose that gets dealt with?

WantMY | 6 maart 2019

Tesla cutting more jobs at Fremont factory
Filing shows where dozens more positions to be slashed this month
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/05/tesla-cutting-more-jobs-at-fremon...
"Tesla will cut 81 more jobs at its Fremont plant, bringing the total layoffs this month at its main factory to 883.

The additional job cuts, revealed in an updated filing with California’s Employment Development Department dated March 1, mostly target service technicians and tech support specialists.

Another new filing shows the company is getting rid of four more positions in Lathrop, bringing the total cuts at that location to 141."

So it is not only sales whom got pink-slipped.

terminator9 | 6 maart 2019

>@terminator9, Is a company supposed to let everyone know when their price changes are going to happen?
Thats not what I said. You are changing my words to suit your argument.

>Wouldn't people then say ohh no, Tesla is ripping us off because they are now making TOO MUCH money on the car, why not pass on the savings to the customers.

No, they won't. How much do you think a $1100 iPhone costs to make? Not even 1/4 that. Price of iPhone has not gone down every year as "production is ramped up". That made Apple #1 company in the world, not by making the phone $100. If your product is good, people will pay for it as they have been. Do you think Ferrari and higher brands are so expensive because it costs that much to make those cars?

I propose, sell the 35k car with lower options to "pass on the savings" to the customers but keep the higher trim levels "as-is" for people who can afford it to keep higher margins so Tesla can be here for next few years, grow and keep servicing my car.

I have not owned any car that keeps going down (new car) every 3 months or every year for that matter. Yeah, you can throw a couple of cases from past. I can also say dictatorship happens in a few countries so it must be right for United States. Just because it has happened a few times does not make it normal or right. Tesla's top investor is now saying they wont be opposed to the idea if Elon is not the CEO. He has a great scientific mind but it does not mean a person should also have a perfect business sense. I am not alone in this thinking as it is happening all over the world.

terminator9 | 6 maart 2019

Price of a iPhone Sx Max is $1110 for 64GB and $1250. Do you think it takes $150 to add this space in the best production line in the world? It probably takes $10 but it is okay to charge the customer $150 because there are cheaper options if people don't want it yet if people see value in it for them, they will get it.

Magic 8 Ball | 6 maart 2019

Apple makes cars, who knew?

terminator9 | 6 maart 2019

... and $1250 for 256 GB.

terminator9 | 6 maart 2019

No, Apple makes airplanes too. That makes no sense at all.

Magic 8 Ball | 6 maart 2019

Comparing TESLA to Apple makes no sense at all.

derotam | 6 maart 2019

@terminator9, I didn't change your words, I just asked questions.

I guess no one complained when Valeant Pharmaceuticals drastically raised some medication prices huh. People do complain when prices go up drastically just for increased profit.

And if the cost to produce goes up, should they then just increase the cost of the higher trim levels "because those people can afford it". Yes I could afford my car but that doesn't mean I wanted to or liked paying that much for it if it could have been cheaper.

terminator9 | 6 maart 2019

Suggesting that I was comparing TESLA to Apple makes no sense at all. If you had an open mind you would see I was comparing the "concept".

This will be my last comment on this thread as I don't want to keep fueling it (you can try that with other threads too). If Elon said himself that TESLA made a mistake, you won't believe that too so who am I to try.

terminator9 | 6 maart 2019

Absolutely! Welcome to for-profit corporate world! If you don't want it or can't afford it there is a 35k version for you.

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@terminator9, I didn't change your words, I just asked questions.

And if the cost to produce goes up, should they then just increase the cost of the higher trim levels "because those people can afford it". Yes I could afford my car but that doesn't mean I wanted to or liked paying that much for it if it could have been cheaper.

Magic 8 Ball | 6 maart 2019

No you were saying TESLA should operate like apple and implying if they do they would get apple results.

Of course your "final" say is a projection about me reacting to a hypothetical announcement by ELON that happens to be 100% false. Thank for making your final post one that completely discredits you.

calvin940 | 6 maart 2019

But it wasn't his final say after all. Right after saying it was his last comment in the thread, he made another one. Not surprised.

Brian B | 6 maart 2019

Google cheat
cheat - act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination

Tesla delivered the car they promised at the price they said. They charged a price at the time that would give them the margins they decided was fair. They didn't secretly add anything to the cost (like a bunch of dealers try to do). Changing the price on something is not dishonest, and prices are not guaranteed for the future, whether rising or falling.

To say you were cheated is completely false and to feel cheated is completely wrong.

Do you agree that it is possible that to feel cheated is wrong? What if someone bought a toy for $10 and when they opened it, they it had 2 toys in it. Would it be wrong for them to feel cheated? Would it be wrong for the next person to buy the same thing and it comes with 1 toy to feel cheated?

Being cheated is a dealer telling you a final cost, then adding other options and fees that add $2000 to the cost at closing after they find out you've sold your other car and need the car right then.

syclone | 7 maart 2019

Just the bear in mind the 2 maxims of human existence:

IT IS WHAT IT IS!

and

IT WAS WHAT IT WAS!

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