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German Gigafactory near Berlin

Just saw tweet announcing new Gigafactory near Berlin. Probably will take longer than 168 days to build, I would bet!

jimglas | 12 november 2019

where did you see the tweet?

sbeggs | 12 november 2019

@jimglas,
Several sources announced it on Twitter, also just a few minutes ago, Elon tweeted, “Giga Berlin”.

Giga4!

jordanrichard | 12 november 2019

Elon mentioned it an event in Germany.

blue adept | 12 november 2019

Tesla is growing and working on bringing safe, conflict-free, competition-surpassing, sustainable, pollution-free automobiles to the world!

sbeggs | 13 november 2019

Southeast of Berlin. Design engineering. Model Y. 2021. Hiring personnel!

jordanrichard | 13 november 2019

An interesting comment on Autoline Daily was that if you think the Model 3 is selling well in Germany, a country that historically prides itself on buying their own cars, just wait until German built Tesla's are available............

sbeggs | 13 november 2019

@jordanrichard,
That's a good point!

TabascoGuy | 13 november 2019

So, until additional lines are added to the GF3 and (proposed) GF4 factories, they will still have to ship S, X, and, Y's from Fremont to China, and, S, X, and, 3's to Germany.

I don't know what the market in Germany is like but is the Y the most competitive vehicle to what's currently available there?

Ross1 | 13 november 2019

Could Sbeggs and Teslatap get together to combine their individual threads??? :)

sbeggs | 14 november 2019

@Teslatap, let's team up!

Grunheide, small village near Berlin, with rail crossing, Autobahn, near unfinished Berlin airport.

TeslaTap.com | 14 november 2019

Sorry about that - I didn't see your post before I wrote mine. Since there are now comments on my thread, I hesitate to delete it. I expect both posts will slide off into he sunset in a few days :)

sbeggs | 14 november 2019

@TeslaTap,
You are right. We won't worry about it then.

jordanrichard | 14 november 2019

The Model S and X will always be built in Fremont and exported. Relative to the Model 3 and forthcoming Model Y, the S and X are niche vehicles. They were not designed nor built to be inexpensive to build and there is more profit in them. So Tesla can afford to export them.

sbeggs | 16 november 2019

Tweet referring to German minister statement:

Begin construction 1Q 2020
Begin manufacturing spring 2021
Deliveries summer 2021

blue adept | 20 november 2019

The German GF actually makes sense given Tesla's recent partnership with Daimler AG on their Smart EQ fortwo cars and German's relatively centralized location in the region makes them ideal manufacturers for the European market.

Kudos Tesla!

sbeggs | 20 november 2019

@blue adept,
That's a really good point.

sbeggs | 20 december 2019

Tweet per supercharge.info,
GF4 land contract ready for signing, work could begin as early as January 2020.

jimglas | 20 december 2019

Bankwupcy for sure!

andy.connor.e | 20 december 2019

I bet this time next year, China factory will be at maximum production rate, and Berlin factory will be stockpiling cars for Q42020 deliveries.

On that note, turns out there were 5000 deliveries in china last month that no one knew about.

El Mirio | 20 december 2019

I would love to see Berlin come online as fast as Shanghai, have my doubts. I don't think replicating Giga3 factory build will be the new norm. China does not have same regulations as other parts in the western world.

TabascoGuy | 20 december 2019

Andy, all those 5000+ cars were imported into China, correct?

I wonder where all the truckloads of cars seen leaving GF3 were headed and when those cars will start being delivered.

andy.connor.e | 20 december 2019

Oh i didnt even think to read up on that haha, im not sure.

andy.connor.e | 20 december 2019

ya it looks like that was imported inventory. Nevermind!!!!

TabascoGuy | 20 december 2019

That's still close to a record monthly number for China deliveries, soon to be eclipsed by GF3 in a big way.

El Mirio | 20 december 2019

Tesla pulling off a new factory within less then a year is a miracle by itself, a year ago people were claiming this to be impossible. The stock is soaring because on Q4 call it is expected Tesla to outline expected Giga3 output.

As i posted earlier, Berlin will not be as fast as Shanghai, it will be really fast for European standards tho.

TabascoGuy | 20 december 2019

No doubt that cutting red tape and a fast build out were part of the decision to locate near Berlin and the negotiations beforehand.

El Mirio | 20 december 2019

No doubt that was part of it, cutting red tape. Just constructing 24/7 is likely none negotiable in Europe due to many reasons.

TabascoGuy | 20 december 2019

What, no second or third shifts in Deutschland?

Next thing we'll hear is that they want 2 or 3 weeks off for Oktoberfest next year.

jordanrichard | 20 december 2019

"...Just constructing 24/7 is likely none negotiable in Europe due to many reasons."

Ya, one of those reason would be that commercial trucks are not allowed on the Autobahn on Sundays. I don't know is that applies to secondary roads though.

El Mirio | 20 december 2019

Be optimized, seems your MO.

TabascoGuy | 20 december 2019

I am an optimist if that's what you meant.

Although I am pretty efficient too.

blue adept | 22 december 2019

@TabascoGuy

I don't know whether you've ever actually been to Oktoberfest or not, but it takes "2 or 3 weeks" just to recuperate (or at least it did for me), though I imagine that the locals would likely have a higher tolerance so maybe not.

TabascoGuy | 23 december 2019

@blue

It's on my bucket list, right after Scotland to visit a distillery or ten.

Wormtown Kris | 23 december 2019

I think the German Giga4 will go up at a ~record pace for Europe, but as others noted, it won't be as quick as Shanghai. Just for starters, there's about a million scrubby trees to get rid of. Not as simple as the barren so called "swamp" that Giga3 was built in/on. Right now, they're scanning for WWII era explosives. Then there will be deforestation, then the blitz build can commence. At least they will have the playbook pretty well written for this one. The machine that builds the machine can be replicated!

BadgerErickson | 25 december 2019

Germans are efficient, the site's trees are literally a tree farm; probably shall be removed in less than a week.

BadgerErickson | 31 december 2019

Here's a nice little video tour, on the site. Imagine...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yIZOrasvk0

blue adept | 1 januari 2020

Removed and replanted elsewhere...Gotta respect the environment.

BadgerErickson | 2 januari 2020

how dot thom flag

blue adept | 2 januari 2020

@TabascoGuy

If you hit the Scottish distilleries before Oktoberfest you'll never make it to Oktoberfest (though I can't determine whether that would be a 'good' or a 'bad' thing).

TabascoGuy | 3 januari 2020

@blue

I'll let you know when I wake up. Seriously though, it most likely won't be "right after", they're just both on the list.

BadgerErickson | 6 januari 2020
BadgerErickson | 9 januari 2020

Update from TESMANIAN.......
https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/gigafactory-4-forest-dron...

Contract signed allegedly.

sbeggs | 27 januari 2020

From Tesla Motors Club article, construction to begin this March, Model Y first off the line.

blue adept | 29 januari 2020

When it comes to the speed of the factory's construction I'm waiting to see how German precision stacks up against Chinese efficiency, afterall, the Chinese got it up and running in just 168 days!

That's an impressive accomplishment.

sbeggs | 19 februari 2020

Trees felled and stacked in piles. Environmental group brings site clearing to halt.

jordanrichard | 19 februari 2020

Efficiently built doesn't necessarily mean well built. Only time will tell. Look at bridges here in the U.S. Over the years bridges that were designed/built relatively quick using the latest design technology that end up collapsing. Then you have steel girder bridges like GWB that have been around for well over 100 years.

blue adept | 19 februari 2020

@sbeggs

Well, it does seem somewhat counterintuitive for a company whose very business model is the development and production of alternative energy methodologies designed to transition the world OFF of carbon-based fuel usage to improve the overall ecology of our environment, our oceans, our lives, our world, to be pushed into clearing a couple acres of a forest plot just to build one of their factories INSTEAD of being offered one of the several shuttered and vacant business / factory properties scattered all about Germany, don't you think?

Who knows, despite all that they might have to say in their advertisements, perhaps Germany isn't really all that interested in actually pursuing emissions-free transportation or working to enable the transition to actual carbon-neutrality?:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/world/europe/germany-climate-protecti...

Especially when they've already shown such promise in the adoption of renewable-produced energy:

https://www.dw.com/en/german-renewables-deliver-more-electricity-than-co...

Or maybe it's just that they're more so interested in doubling down on their legacied, natural gas-based investments by developing technology that'll enable the extraction of hydrogen from it for use as fuel in their cars?:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/german-industry...

Whichever the reason it might eventually turn out to be I'll still find it highly unethical for Germany to have insisted that Tesla use a swath of forest land for Giga-4 when part of Tesla's goals are to save them.

blue adept | 19 februari 2020

@jordanrichard

A good point, then there is also what our country's definition of "well built" is versus what China's is, though I will say that China, one of the oldest civilizations on our planet, has historically chosen to ensure the longevity of their endeavors whatever they might be.

As you've said, "time will tell".

blue adept | 19 februari 2020

I guess VW, BMW and MB are just too embedded with the petroleum industry to want actual change to a sustainable, emission-free, carbon-neutral form of transportation power.

Perhaps Denmark, Norway, or maybe Sweden, would be a more...suitable...place for Giga-4?

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