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Is Long Range Battery 310 or 325 ???

Is Long Range Battery 310 or 325 ???

I have a long range battery that shows about 274 miles when charging to 90%. I thought they upgraded the long range to 325 with a software update. Did they forget me?

lbowroom | 7 oktober 2019

That was the single motor long range. Is that what you have?

Passion2Fly | 7 oktober 2019

Welcome to the club! Numerous owners are reporting range issues and claim they've never seen 325 miles of range.

My personal take on this is that the 325 miles only applies to the LR RWD with the 18" wheels. My car has the 19" sports wheels and it gets 310-312 miles of range. The onboard compute calculates the rated rage based on the wheels configuration.

gballant4570 | 7 oktober 2019

My AWD LR charges to an estimated mileage right around 300 miles. I always end up getting more than the estimated mileage though, depends on your wh/m.

There was an exercise earlier this year during which a 5% boost was supposed to be given to LR models, that would have been around 325 got RWD LR models. Bottom line is, anything around 300 or better is more than adequate.

lilbean | 7 oktober 2019

Mine gets 325.

lbowroom | 7 oktober 2019

"My personal take on this is that the 325 miles only applies to the LR RWD...

That's not just your personal take, that's Tesla's official position

Mozart | 7 oktober 2019

Yes, mine is the rear wheel drive, long range with 18" wheels.

lbowroom | 7 oktober 2019

You naturally get better range than a dual motor. The software doesn't change the actual battery size or chemistry regardless of what the range predictor reads. But to answer your literal question, I guess so. Have you ever charged to 100%

lbowroom | 7 oktober 2019

To actually get the rated 325 you have to drive at EPA conditions or better. Key is slow speed with moderate acceleration, high tire pressure, easy on the climate control(especially heat) If you hyper-mile it, you can exceed it. If you don't, then you won't. Kinda like with any car.

Mozart | 7 oktober 2019

When I charge to 100%, it shows a range of about 305 miles. When I charge to 90%, it shows a range of about 274 miles

Ghost ll | 7 oktober 2019

I have a standard range plus with range of 386 km. When I charge to 90% it comes out to 342 km. If my math is correct it should be 347.4 km. The car is only 3 weeks old, I picked it up on Sept. 19th. Is this normal?

Joseb | 7 oktober 2019

Is it Rear wheel drive, or Dual Motor?

I have LR AWD and at 100% has shown 310miles

Ghost ll | 7 oktober 2019

Its a Rear wheel drive.

vmulla | 7 oktober 2019
sjm4660 | 7 oktober 2019

Mine currently:
90% = 292
100% = 325
single motor long range

TexasBob | 7 oktober 2019

In my experience, the range estimate has absolutely zero to do with your driving style. My wife, the acceleration demon, has a lifetime wh/mi of 320. I have a lifetime (since computer was changed 6k miles ago) of 239 wh/mi. But her car has a higher estimated range than mine (which I attribute to the fact that a) she has fewer miles and b) she has never charged to 100%).

I am at 255 (after v10) at 80% and other car is at 256 (after v10) @80%. Before v10 they were at 257 and 260 respectively. Saw an immediate drop after update.

In any case, two LR RWD with 18" wheels showing 319 and 320 range. Have 15k on one car and ~10k on the other. So, yes, your car is giving you a low range reading versus what you would expect.

jimglas | 7 oktober 2019

My P3D- gets 310
I am sure 325 is only for LR RWD

vmulla | 7 oktober 2019

jimglas | October 7, 2019
My P3D- gets 310
I am sure 325 is only for LR RWD
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+1
Only LR RWD is expected to give an estimate of 325miles - but not everyone sees that range estimate.

hokiegir1 | 7 oktober 2019

I have a LR RWD with 18s and have never seen 325.

hokiegir1 | 7 oktober 2019

For added clarity, I know with my driving style, I'll never *get* 325, but at some point, it was expected the car would report that at a full charge or extrapolate to that at a lower one. That has not been the case.

joe.lynn.atp | 7 oktober 2019

Don't be surprised if it doesn't give you the estimate you expect. There have been countless threads on this subject. My LR AWD has been slowly dropping over the past 13 months and is now charging to 230 @ 80%, (although I will occasionally get up to 237 without changing the limit). The 230 does correspond to the number I got last time I charged to 100%: 287. Has the battery actually lost 23 miles of range? I typically get better than rated range now while the weather is moderate so what does that number even mean now?

gmr6415 | 7 oktober 2019

There has never been an update with release notes that stated the range was boosted to 325 miles. Musk tweeted about it, but it was never in release notes.

If someone has that in their release notes please post a photo of the notes here.

vmulla | 7 oktober 2019

gmr6415 | October 7, 2019
There has never been an update with release notes that stated the range was boosted to 325 miles. Musk tweeted about it, but it was never in release notes.

If someone has that in their release notes please post a photo of the notes here.

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That clears it up. Thanks

TexasBob | 7 oktober 2019

It came in the 2019.8.2 firmware upgrade. Many articles about it (e.g. below). The release notes talked about power increase not range increase. Our cars both bumped to 325 with that firmware upgrade. Some people reported getting bumped back down in 8.5

https://chargedevs.com/newswire/tesla-boosts-power-and-range-of-model-3-...

Magic 8 Ball | 7 oktober 2019

@TexasBob Much more useful information vs rumor mill hearsay that seems to clear things up for some.

Fuzzball | 7 oktober 2019

Pre update, 315, post update, 325+. Havent checked miles in half a year so no idea what it says after v10. I assure you its not perfect when i charge to pct as most of the times its 90pct and sometimes its 89 or 91. Nonetheless, i never feel like i care because all my estimates indicate i get at least 300 miles and with 5-10pct left in reserve and i would never risk draining beyond that...

gmr6415 | 7 oktober 2019

@TexasBob, The article in the link you provided is stating there will be a power boost in 2019.8.2 firmware upgrade, not extended range.

Then it states, "A separate software update will extend the range of the Long-Range Model 3 variant by 15 miles." That's what they all state no matter who wrote them.

As I said above, there never has been an update with release notes stating anything about extending range. I seriously doubt that Tesla would extend range and not mention it in release notes.

nwfan | 8 oktober 2019

I have LR RWD with 18" and 19" wheels. I guess I'll do a comparison.
Plan on changing to 18" after Thanksgiving.

19" - averaging 200 to 220 wh/mi in city driving and TX heat.
18" - off since May can't remember wh/mi. They are quieter though.

vmulla | 8 oktober 2019
roger.klurfeld | 8 oktober 2019

I have a LR RWD with 18" wheels. Red. I've been monitoring the range numbers for the last 2 1/2 months. Comparing the percentage of energy in the battery with the mileage shown, then calculating a range figure. Sometimes the range is 317 miles and other times the range is 320 miles.One time the range was 322 miles, and one time the range was 314 miles. So that's the range of the range. By the way, this is the range as reported by the battery icon on the dash pad. It you look at the energy app you get very different numbers.

Iwantmy3 | 8 oktober 2019

Before the update last spring I was getting ~307 miles on a full charge AND one rated mile corresponded to 235 wh/m.
After the update, I was getting 321 miles on a full charge AND one rated mile corresponded to 224 wh/m.
In other words, the change was simply a re calibration of the EPA range number.

The 224 wh/m has been consistent all summer.

Since the V10 upgrade, my charge seems to be down (I haven't done a full charge so it is hard to say for sure). On Sunday, I was driving home and stopped to charge ~100 miles from home. When I got home I noticed that I just happened to have used 235 wh/m for the last segment. I also used 103 rated miles to travel 103 actual miles.

This makes me wonder if the calibration has been reset to the original values. I will plan to watch it much more carefully next weekend. (My commute is too short to get a meaningful result)

LostInTx | 8 oktober 2019

I get to copy and paste hokiegirl1:

I have an LR RWD with 18s and have never seen 325.

jamespompi | 8 oktober 2019

2018 LR RWD July 2018 build 30K miles. Saw 322 after the update, currently getting less than 300.

vmulla | 8 oktober 2019

Let me copy and paste from @hokiegir1 as well

I have an LR RWD with 18s and have never seen 325.

JustSaying | 8 oktober 2019

309 miles, mine is a LR RWD with 19" wheels. We mostly charge to 75%.

andy.connor.e | 8 oktober 2019

There is no opinion, there is no "my take" on this. The LR RWD is rated to 325 miles because it does not have the front motor. LR AWD is 310 miles.

DISCLAIMER:
Your range estimator will vary based on your driving habits. Your range estimator variance does NOT represent battery pack degradation.

petegajria | 8 oktober 2019

LR AWD 19"

100% SOC @ 281m (yep, you read that correctly)

90% @ 260m

80% @ 235m

Car has 13,000 miles on it & I have no idea, why the range or display has dropped so much.
Charging to 100% & driving it down to 15% & charging back up to 90% has had no effect

Service said this is normal degradation, but it seems way off to me.

vmulla | 8 oktober 2019

"DISCLAIMER:
Your range estimator will vary based on your driving habits. " @andy.connor.e

Is that from Tesla documentation?

gmr6415 | 8 oktober 2019

@Iwantmy3, Your numbers don't add up.

75,000Wh ÷ 235Wh/mi = 319.14 miles of range...75,000Wh ÷ 307mi would be 244Wh/mi
75,000Wh ÷ 224Wh/mi = 334.82 miles of range...75,000Wh ÷ 321mi would be 233Wh/mi

gmr6415 | 8 oktober 2019

I'm so glad I own stock in a company that the CEO can tweet out that they are going to give X customers "something". There is no proof that, that "something" was ever given, and a large percentage of X customers who own the company's product that was supposed to have received said "something" buys into it being received.

jimglas | 8 oktober 2019

sell your stock
problem solved

andy.connor.e | 8 oktober 2019

Typically i buy products because of the "free gift" that it comes with.

Similarly, i buy Mcdonalds happy meals because i want the toy.

Magic 8 Ball | 8 oktober 2019

So plenty of reports of LR RWD with 310 and plenty of reports of LR RWD with 325, nice all that confusion is all cleared up. ; ).

andy.connor.e | 8 oktober 2019

People still have not realized that its not the battery range rating that counts, its your average Wh/mi that you should be using to calculate YOUR range based on battery size.

gmr6415 | 8 oktober 2019

@jimglas, why would I sell it? I'm not complaining. I'm giddy.

My Tesla stock already paid for one M3. I'm looking forward to it paying for another.

gmr6415 | 8 oktober 2019

@andy.connor.e, You're absolutely correct. For almost the life of the car mine is 229Wh/mi.

I've got well over 18k on it, but I forgot to set up a trip card for monitoring it until I had around 4k on it.

mknewman | 8 oktober 2019

My LR AWD built 9/18 with the 19" sport wheels,originally reliably got 310 full charge and 279 90%. I am now at 274 90% and the last time I fully charged it said 300 but when I unplugged it went to 299 and then quickly to 294.

I have done the drive to 20 miles left and full charge and it does help but the effect quickly goes away.

I live in Houston, flat, but I do run the A/C almost all the time, on 74, and I noticed my lifetime Kwh is 279 which I do know is quite high. Typically around town I see 250 or so.

andy.connor.e | 8 oktober 2019

I wonder how many people calculate/measure if they get the rated range on their gas cars.

FISHEV | 8 oktober 2019

"People still have not realized that its not the battery range rating that counts, its your average Wh/mi that you should be using to calculate YOUR range based on battery size."@andy.connor.e

Battery doesn't have range it has a 75(?)kWh charge which Tesla tells us will give 310 range under EPA test conditions. As the battery ages from day one, it loses charge retention and the Tesla loses range.

This question is what is the EPA rating of the LR RWD that Musk suggested would be upgraded to 325 miles/74kWh?

There seems to be no official Tesla statement that LR RWD was upgraded to 325 miles.

You would think Chill mode vs. Standard would show a range increase for all Model 3's.

andy.connor.e | 8 oktober 2019

Thats really not the question. Because whether or not EPA decides to change the rating from 310 to 325, the rating does not change your Wh/mi. Which is the real range limitation for the individual.

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