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Taycan Road and Track review

Just received my print edition of R&T and the cover story is about the Porsche Taycan Turbo S. I was very surprised by the review.
Read for yourself and comment on this thread.

Tropopause | 25 februari 2020

No need to read about it when we have blowhard Darth spewing all kinds of allegations at us here! ;)

He’s forced us all to become experts.

Jimdow | 26 februari 2020

I think it's fair to say that R&T concluded that Porsche engineers and marketing management made some very poor tradeoffs resulting in a competent car for the racetrack but a compromised car for everyday use. The two speed transmission does help the quarter mile time but makes the car a bit sluggish in mid range acceleration ( typical highway passing maneuver). The range of the battery was only about 220-230 miles in their test... slightly higher than EPA estimates but well below the Model S performance range.
They liked the fit and finish but concluded that Porsche made some non optimal decisions designing the Taycan.

Tropopause | 26 februari 2020

That two-speed transmission comes at a potential maintenance cost nightmare (and other drawbacks as well) and only helped Taycan match, or barely exceed, Model S in 1/4 mile time of 10.5 seconds. Looks like Porsche needed the handicap to keep up with Tesla.

lobodogg | 26 februari 2020

Sounds like a real competitor to the Model S, but at twice the price right now. Still love my S though!

jordanrichard | 26 februari 2020

So both R&T and MT have come to the same conclusion about the Taycan. This isn’t going to bode well for Porsche image.

Bighorn | 26 februari 2020

Was that the version with the broken air conditioner, but they did the range test anyway?

Tropopause | 26 februari 2020

I think it’s the same pre-production Taycan making the rounds and getting a little tired. Good thing Porsche will crush these preproduction models taking their secrets to the graves.

Chunky Jr. | 26 februari 2020

I give Porsche credit for designing a compelling car from scratch rather than trying to slap some batteries and a motor into an existing one.

Pungoteague_Dave | 27 februari 2020

@Chunky Jr. "I give Porsche credit for designing a compelling car from scratch rather than trying to slap some batteries and a motor into an existing one."

I agree with giving them credit for trying to design such a car, and dping so in large regard, yet failing in the most key element for an EV - range.

Darthamerica | 27 februari 2020

They did not fail in range.

TabascoGuy | 27 februari 2020

Because Darth said so...

Darthamerica | 27 februari 2020

Yes, as a potential buyer, I do get a say so. So do you. At the end of the year we’ll see who’s right overall.

TabascoGuy | 27 februari 2020

It's a beautiful car. I'm sure it drives superbly. I'm not a buyer so, like you say, I don't get a say so.

But the range still sucks for something coming from Porsche.

Darthamerica | 27 februari 2020

Tabasco by that standard all BEV ranges suck. You have to consider what the limits of your chosen platform are. You want a BEV that goes around a track and accelerates like a 911? Taycan is what you’ll get. It’s just physics. I’m sure Tesla could leverage its experience, bigger batteries and design philosophy of opening more battery depth to get slightly more range. But that car isn’t available just yet. I don’t think people appreciate yet how hard of a problem this is with such a low energy dense power source. Both Porsche and Tesla are in different markets.

inconel | 27 februari 2020

The low range, lack of adequate DC charging network in the NorthEast, and lack of competitive AP features are the very factors that stopped us from getting the Taycan. So our family money votes for not enough range.

SbMD | 27 februari 2020

Darthamerica | February 27, 2020
Yes, as a potential buyer, I do get a say so. So do you. At the end of the year we’ll see who’s right overall.

So buy one already, @darth!

You won't because you know it is an inferior car.

Darthamerica | 27 februari 2020

SbMD it may be inferior AFTER the Model S update. I'll make my decision when I see that car.

SbMD | 27 februari 2020

@darth, you have made it clear that you feel that the Taycan is "different" in design that makes the lower range and higher cost justified. That is ridiculous, but you maintain the logic. You have also said that you prefer the styling and stitching over the MS.

So, buy your Taycan. Your own purchase thesis makes it improbable that you would buy another car because the Taycan is the car that you find most desirable, and for reasons that transcend other cars, apparently.

So, buy it already. But you won't. Face it... it is too expensive and not nearly as "ideal" a car as you have tried to pass off.

Darthamerica | 27 februari 2020

SbMD you're being ridiculous. I have no immediate need to buy a new car. That doesn't mean I don't like other cars like Corvette, 911, Jeep Gladiator and Taycan. Why does that upset you? Why does it matter to you when I replace my P90D or with what? Seriously relax and stop making this personal because I have different preferences in cars than you.

SbMD | 27 februari 2020

No, @darth, you are ridiculous in pushing your rhetoric about the Taycan over an immense number of posts to even include lying about the Taycan, and doing in a Tesla Forum.

Why don't you relax, and instead while away your time on a Taycan Forum? Seriously.

Darthamerica | 27 februari 2020

What a clown shareholder...

SbMD | 27 februari 2020

Darthamerica | February 27, 2020
What a clown shareholder...

Sorry, what was that about ad hominem attacks that you criticize others about? Totally irrelevant and laughable comment.

Practice what you preach, bub. But then again, you preach a lot of things you don't practice.

avesraggiana | 27 februari 2020

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!

RedShift | 27 februari 2020

What kind of a namby-pamby question is that.

Look at the thread. Your question is answered already.

Pungoteague_Dave | 28 februari 2020

Darthamerica "They did not fail in range."

Porsche says they failed. That's enough for me, no matter what their #1 apologist says - they are not apologizing - they are feverishly at work trying to fix it - a problem you say they don't have. Interesting that you say the range is enough for you, then generalize to the Porsche buyer population. Again, trying to have it both ways.

Dude, it is still there on the Porsche website:

https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/christophorusmagazine/archive/3...

Let me help you out for those not wanting to go to the link. That page is the mission statement for the taycan. It includes the following lines:

The very first line describing the car: "A sports car that covers over 300 miles with superb performance—but without a drop of gasoline? Welcome to the future: the Mission E electric concept car."

"Mission: Everyday practicality

“Fifteen minutes is an acceptable amount of charging time. And with 800 volts, it’s also feasible.” (Stefan Weckbach)

"Charging time and the range of a car are key topics in electromobility. Porsche is breaking new ground with the Mission E by doubling the standard charging voltage to 800. This results in shorter charging times as well as less weight, because power can be transmitted by thinner copper wires. The size of the lithium-ion battery enables the car to drive more than 300 miles on a single charge. It needs only 15 minutes to recharge for another 250 miles of range. Just enough time for a coffee break.""

Still say they met their objective? Because using their own words it is clear they failed. Miserably - even using YOUR claimed range results. Porsche thinks so too and is trying to "fix" it. The question is how to present the revisions to the market after such a dismal roll-out.

jordanrichard | 28 februari 2020

"They did not fail in range", then why did Porsche in their words, say they were disappointed in the EPA 201 number? Why by their own words, did say they paid a third party to get different numbers?

jimglas | 28 februari 2020

201

Darthamerica | 28 februari 2020

290 miles.
https://amcitesting.com/taycan/
2020 Porsche Taycan - AMCI Testing

Darthamerica | 28 februari 2020

@PD it's funny to watch you twist, turn and make up fake internal crisis over EPA testing that you know to be invalid. Other than Bighorn, every other thread here is about why Teslas can't get their EPA rated milieage. Yet it's 100% valid to you except when you say it isn't.

TonyB.C120 | 28 februari 2020

All you need to know about the Taycan is that Porsche decided to put the word "turbo" on an EV.

Darthamerica | 28 februari 2020

Kinda like "Supercharger"...

jimglas | 28 februari 2020

201 =/= 290

jimglas | 28 februari 2020

but its a turbo!

Darthamerica | 28 februari 2020

Yes Jim, at least you can read!

TonyB.C120 | 28 februari 2020

Not at all like "Supercharger," Darth. Tesla is not claiming the car is supercharged but Porsche is putting "turbo" on their cars, which can only be an appeal to the Viagra crowd.

revrev4ruach | 28 februari 2020

Yes, Darth, at least you can type!

Oodles, yet signifying nothing but baseless opinion and ad hominem attacks.

Cue . . . .

Pungoteague_Dave | 28 februari 2020

I heard Darth has a Rolex? If so, OMG, why are we wasting our time with a poseur? Should have been paying more attention... probably heavy on cologne, spray tan and gold chains too... just such an easy target. The Porsche pits are full of those guys at VIR, and real racers won't give them the time of day, much less any respect. But they smell better with their professional support teams compared to the standard grease monkey drivers trying to get their cars ready for the track. They know how to spend money, but not actually use it.

RedShift | 28 februari 2020

@PD

“ probably heavy on cologne, spray tan and gold chains too... just such an easy target.”

Um, you might want to restrain yourself there a bit. According to Darth, he is “usually the strongest at a supercharger”.

His own words.

Silver2K | 29 februari 2020

RedShift | February 28, 2020
@PD

“ probably heavy on cologne, spray tan and gold chains too... just such an easy target.”

Um, you might want to restrain yourself there a bit. According to Darth, he is “usually the strongest at a supercharger”.

His own words.

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That's why I changed my username on Venmo to "iliftbruh". I wouldn't want him to misspell my username when he sends the $10. (I'm watch my spelling).

Silver2K | 29 februari 2020

Do navitimer folks use Cologne?

SbMD | 29 februari 2020

The other way to find @darth, per his post elsewhere, is through his helping arrange Porsche experiences. But he isn't "pro-Porsche" (his words)...

Bighorn | 29 februari 2020

Spray tan? Prolly not. Lol.
Lotion though.

jimglas | 29 februari 2020

Does a true "porsche experience" require cologne and a rolex?

RedShift | 29 februari 2020

@silver

“ That's why I changed my username on Venmo to "iliftbruh". ”

I am going to tell him about the Freezeray gizmo I carry with me all the time.

Silver2K | 29 februari 2020

Buttoned down shirt and gold chain is enough