Thank you Mike for this article. Truly explains how Welfare Mitch became a denier. A weatherman does not need to learn science. Looks like his colleagues have seen the light. I think its time for Welfare Mitch to hop on board.https://www.vox.com/2017/9/19/16316240/hurricane-irma-harvey-tv-weather-...
@Welfare_Mitch. I am concerned about flooding. That’s why I want to address climate change. However Houston has special problems’https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/100-500-year-f...
We all have problems. LA has problems. NY has problems. Houston has problems. So what? We all deal with our own set of problems!
You want to address "climate change." Fine. Convince the public to ban ICE. Good luck with that!
Unfortunately Houston’s oil industry affects climate change all over the world and their reluctance to follow environmental laws in construction puts us all on the hook for your FEMA welfare
All caps is such a hypracriite, why do u lethim get to to u Mitch ?
@bigDufus. Looks like your spelling is improving. Soon your mother will take you out of special ed
Hey Captain SaSoT, let me get this straight. Your main concern is the oil industry causing more flood insurance claims? As if they are connected in some way??!!! You have your head so far shoved up where the sun don't shine, you are incapable of any rational thought!
The oil industry is basically meeting the demand from the public. SaSoT1 is so wrapped up in his sanctimonious zeal, that he is blind to the fact that the people go to the gasoline pumps to fuel their vehicles. Captain Planet, the Sanctimonious Socialist Turd Number 1 in the Tesla Forum is trying to make the nonsensical case that the gasoline pumps are actually going out to attack the people, forcing them to buy the gasoline coming out!
SaSoT1 is hopelessly trying to convince everybody that the oil industry is pointing a gun at everybody's head, forcing them at gunpoint to buy their products. He is oblivious to the fact that Henry Ford approached John D. Rockefeller for his product. Rockefeller did not point a gun at Ford's head to make him produce gasoline powered cars! I'm sure Captain SaSoT, if he could, would revise history to tell the story that would support his narrative! He probably envisions himself as the master of a re-education camp!
@Welfare_MItch. Like Trump when you run out of ideas you tweet up a shitstorm. I made 2 simple statements. You are claiming your welfare cheese because you flooded. You flooded because you live in a flood zone. Everyone’s likelihood of flooding increases because of rising sea levels and increased strength of hurricanes This is caused by climate change. Houston, because of its oil industry is not in hurry to shut the spigots. In addition you guys try keep real estate prices down and thus allow developers to ignore environmental issues resulting in building on wetlands and behind dams. Yes the risk is initially there but you guys compound the risk because of your selfishness and then are stupid enough to rebuild in a proven flood zone. And then you complain about taxes and welfare but are happy to use our tax money to subsidize your welfare insurance plan and get to the front of the line to collect your welfare cheese.
Captain Planet, the main SaSoT said this --
"Everyone’s likelihood of flooding increases because of rising sea levels and increased strength of hurricanes This is caused by climate change."
This is complete and total bullcrap! Pure conjecture on SaSoT1's part. I will take what Dr. Chris Landsea, the Science and Operations Officer at the National Hurricane Center says over what Captain Planet says any day!!!!
Here is what Dr. Landsea says --
In January, 2005, Landsea withdrew from his participation in the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report, criticizing it for using "a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound."  Landsea claimed the IPCC had become politicized and the leadership ignored his concerns. 
Landsea does not believe that global warming has a strong influence on hurricanes: "global warming might be enhancing hurricane winds but only by 1 percent or 2 percent". According to Salon magazine.
@Welfare_MItch. This has been posted before. But for your benefit, here we go againhttps://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/
@MitchP85D (November 11, 2017)
<< SaSoT1 is hopelessly trying to convince everybody that the oil industry is ... forcing them at gunpoint to buy their products. ... SaSoT, if he could, would revise history to tell the story that would support his narrative! He probably envisions himself as the master of a re-education camp! >>
Let's face it, Mitch, SaSoT1 is unresponsive, impervious to reason and science, despite posing as a scientist and flooding these fora with posts that are bald lies and irrational to boot.
This schizophrenic picture has come to characterize just about any narrative or talking points of the Left, from the infamous Reset Button, to the Sanctuary Cities or States, to the Trump Dossier, to the Antifa and BLM Fascist Violence, to the Trump Derangement Syndrome, to the AGW fraud, to the MSM's shameless production of Fake News, to the conflicted and farcical Mueller investigations, etc.
The red thread throughout this string of features, actions, non-actions, and narratives is shameless lying, total hypocrisy, double standards, and irrational argumentation or stonewalling. This Schizophrenic Defense Mode, Algorithm, or Syndrome has become the Left's MO to such an extent that rational discourse or debate has become all but impossible. Beside promptly debunking it when it occurs, and perhaps flagging the PERP, there doesn't seem to be much that an honest poster could do about it.
Point number 1 in the GFDL post:
"It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate)."
All the rest is a wild ass scientific guess!
@Brain_Remnant. Another delectable word salad from youhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad
Check out the Arctic air temperature, dropping like a rock!
I can see Captain Planet now; "go up, go up, don't drop!!!"
@Welfare_MItch. They call it winter. The red is this year and the green is the average. Red was up to 10 degrees warmer over the first 100 days and the last 100 days of the year while equal to average over the intermediate 150 days.Sounds like this year was warmer than average. You seem amazed that temps drop in winter. So according to you global warming would only be real if temps don't drop in water. You are severely confused.
Not confused about a damn thing Captain SaSoT! I know climate occurs in cycles. And when I point this out to you, it pisses you off! You have this new age religious belief that increasing CO2 concentration in our atmosphere will lead to worldwide catastrophe. There is no scientific ground for believing this. The data is coming in. And it does not support what you advocate.
Yet, you global warming worshippers continue to bow down to the likes of Dr. James Hansen.
It doesn't matter how wrong these global warming scientists have been in the past, you global warming worshippers will continue to follow them off a cliff like lemmings!
@Welfare_Mitch. You are completely confused about climate change and flooding in Houston as well. You don't know science so you are not the one to decide whether rising CO2 levels will lead to catastrophe. I have presented enough data to show that CO2 levels are rising as a result of us burning fossils fuels, this increases the greenhouse layer causing global warming, sea level rise and climate change. It even is a factor in your home that is built in a flood zone being subject to future flooding and you drawing more welfare cheese. The science has been presented a number of times before but you are either too dense or too uneducated to read it so you continue to make the same idiotic incorrect statements.
Where is the "greenhouse layer" Captain Planet?!
The atmosphere is a 500 km thick layer, composed of a mixture of gases, which protects the planet from the Sun's harmful radiation, allows us to breathe and helps maintain the temperature of the planet. To be semantically more correct the"greenhouse layer" that I was referring to is the atmospheric area where greenhouse gases produce a greenhouse effect trapping and radiating heat back to the earth.
On a serious note, from a glactic scale, what would be the big deal if the human race was eliminated?
Why are we so self important?
Roadster II, 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. Stock.
Thanks for all the Fish.
Damn damn damn!!! My next Tesla!
@Uncle Paul (November 16, 2017)
<< On a serious note, from a [galactic] scale, what would be the big deal if the human race was eliminated? ... Why are we so self important? >>
C'mon! What is a galactic scale? Is your POV a galactic one? Or, instead, it is informed by the spies of the Galactic Empire?
But, yes, the terrestrial human civilization is worth saving. Not from galactic causes, but from equally terrestrial hoards of idiots who promote collective property and decision making, that is, socialism.
@Uncle_Paul. To the universe our existence is meaningless. We are only important to ourselves. Many choose to just take care of themselves, never procreate, take what they can from the planet, offer nothing back and when they are gone, they are gone. I believe there is meaning to life and have set my own goals. I have chosen to procreate and keep my lineage going. I put much of my resources into trying to ensure the well-being of my descendants. I try make a positive contribution to society and hope to leave this earth a better place than I found it. While I recognize that my time here is not infinite I try keep my lifestyle going at a high level and will ultimately need to live vicariously through my descendants.
Back to planet earth. Global Warming Theory Completely Disconnected from the Observations.
Arctic temperatures have been the same since 1900!!!!
@welfare_MItch. If I had to make up this crap I could do a whole lot better. Latest trick from notrickszone is to draw a series of straight lines and claim that nothing has changed in over 100 years. They dont even bother to reference this data. I don’t think you even get my 20 month old grandaughter to believe this crap.
Not a matter of believing anything Captain Planet. It is just a matter at looking at what the thermometers have measured in the Arctic since 1900. Just because you don't like what was measured is not my problem.
Everything is referenced right here!
@Welfare_Mitch. Darko Butina is a know quack scientist who fudges data. Here is one critiquehttps://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/watt-about-armagh/
Here is a trend calculator to do honest calculations of tempshttps://skepticalscience.com/trend.php
Hey SaSoT1, just because some goofy, dumbass worthless piece of dog poop socialist doesn't like him doesn't mean Butina is discredited!
He used the actual raw temperature data. Not the processed manipulated data you SaSoTs like to use!
That was as predictable as the sun rising in the east. When simple, direct, logical scientific research refutes what a SaSoT believes in, the SaSoT will do all he can to discredit the scientist!
@Welfare-Mitch. One needs to take things from whence they come. And when someone comes up with a non-plausible theory that contradicts the stringent science of some of the world's greatest experts what do you think we should do?? Just believe him him because he fits the narrative that you are trying to spin or do what I do and actually look at the science,qualifications and the track record of the person providing the contrarian opinion. This guy's hypothesis does not pass the smell test so I looked at the science and it appears he has tried this trick before in Ireland where he cherry picks data to fudge results. I just posted one example. If you read the article you will see exactly how he fudges data. I provided a link where you can use a calculator to calculate the rise in temp from multiple reputable sources and not just from Darko sitting in a dark alley making up stuff
He uses the data that is available in the Arctic. See Table 1
Some of the data extends back 100 years. That is why he chose these stations. He wanted to go as far back as he could so he could look for any pattern. He actually discovered more chaos than any predictable pattern!
One thing is certain from this study, based on the previous 100 years of temperature data. The Arctic region is NOT going to melt away!
Oh my goodness, that doesn't fit Captain SaSoT's narrative. I am just so broken up about that!
@welfare-Mitch. I guess its tough for someone who never did science at Texas A&M to understand. The data may be valid. But Darko cherry picks the data he uses. This is explained in the link I providedhttps://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/watt-about-armagh/
Good quality science requires designing a study and predefining the data that you collect and then to study the data in an unbiased matter.
Fake science which is what Notrickszone and Darko use involves deciding on a conclusion and then going back and choosing the points that match your conclusion and leaving out data that does not fit the narrative. Your expertise in name calling far exceeds your ability to comprehend any scientific facts but it is unfortunately no substitute for pitiful scientifc comprehension. If you put more effort into learning science you would become a little more credible.
You haven't shown a damn thing how the data was cherry-picked SaSoT1! The Table 1 observation stations are the available stations in the Arctic region. Can you find others? No, you can't!
You are a lying socialist propagandist!
@Welfare-Mitch. The problem with someone like you with no concept of the scientific method there is absolutely no way for you to understand corrrect from incorrect method. You are like an ingnorant child who is presented with facts that you are totally clueless about. Instead of being able to listen to your parent or teacher explain to you what is going on you start crying, throw a tanstrum and call me a lying socialist propagandist. These are not my facts I presented. Many smart people have looked at Darko’s nonsense that he posts and calmly explained how he fudges the data. Yes the data is real. But his analysis is totally fudged. He games the numbers. Here is another explanation that perhaps may be clearer to the uneducated mind. I would do as @bb0tin used to suggest. Find someone who went to a college where they teach science and let them explain it to you. By your responses you either don’t even read my links, are so science illiterate that you do not understand a thing or you are just here trolling trying to push forward the denier agenda. Here try read this . If it is too much for you I could post it paragraph by paragraphhttps://quantpalaeo.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/armagh-silliness-at-wuwt/
More on Texas A&M. This is too awful. Have to post it more than once. Not schadenfreude...just exposing (no pun intended) how the denier mind works despite attempts at education.
Congressman Joe Barton (R-Texas) is another Texas A&M graduate. As a member of the House Energy and Commerce subcommittee, he said, "Wind is a finite resource and harnessing it would slow the wind down which would cause the temperature to go up."
@science-isbetter. LOL. There was an article a year or so ago in North Carolina where some local government refused to put up solar panels as it would take away too much energy from the sun.
We can't blame Anthony Weiner on Texas A&M, but Barton, Mitch?
According to Captain SaSoT, any study that does not support his AGW new age religion, it has to be fudged!
Meanwhile, "that darned ice just won't melt!" Check out the Petermann Glacier. That was originally a sure sign of global warming. But nowadays? Never mind! It is freezing back up, just like AGW theory!!
I am laughing at you global warming worshippers!!!!
@Welfare_MItch. You really don't get it. It is fudged science that I call fudged. And indeed I always show you exactly where the drivel that you post has been fudged. If you understood science we wouldn't have to go through this. Although weather and climate change are different I would have expected you as a supposed weatherman to have at least some minimal understanding. It never ceases to amaze me how this country can produce such top notch scientists yet it large parts of the country the education is so substandard it is pitiful. It does seem that Texas A&M has produced some real clowns like this Texas congressman, Barton who feels using wind power will slow down the wind. I am surprised you have not shown up on the flat earth thread to discuss your theories as to why the earth is flat.
Anyway. Back to the present topic. WHATSUPWITHYOU to keep posting that Greenland is not losing ice. How many times have we discussed that Greenland is losing 200 gigatons a year because of calving. WHATSUP with WHATSUPWITHTAT forgetting to include that 200 gigaton loss in its calculations.
Greenland ice growth has been above normal, and pretty damn cold to boot! GREENLAND IS NOT LOSING 200 Gt/yr NOW!
Captain Planet is goin' "Geeeyyyaawwweddd dammit, melt dammit melt!!!!
@Mitch. Are you contemporary with Joe Barton. Did you take any of the same weather classes? Go back and read the link SCC gave you. Greenland ice is melting from below.
No now Sabby! It was melting 200 Gt/yr. Not now!
Check out all of the gloom and doom predictions of an ice-free Arctic in the past. This includes Captain Planet's hero Dr. Hansen of NASA!
These so-called scientists can't hit the broad side of a barn with a bass fiddle, and the likes of Captain Planet and the rest of you global warming worshippers keep bowing down to them as if they were some sort of deity!
Check out the ridiculous statement by Rep. Ed Markey of Massachusetts. He called Hansen a climate prophet!!!
I AM LAUGHING AT ALL OF YOU GLOBAL WARMING WORSHIPPERS!!!
@Welfare_MItch. The predictions were that the Arctic would be ice free in summers. And what is the definition of ice free.
“By “ice-free”, scientists usually mean a sea ice extent of less than one million square kilometres, rather than zero sea ice cover.
There’s a good reason for this. Arctic sea ice isn’t just found in the central Arctic Ocean, but also along the northern coastlines of the US, Greenland, Russia and Canada, and in the narrow channels of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago. And it is thicker in these regions than in the central Arctic Ocean.”
Here is the link to an article that explains the predictionshttps://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-predictable-first-ice-free-arctic...https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/21/arctic-will-be-ice-f...
The more you jabber the more we see that your “facts” are pretty weak and you have to resort to cherry picking and quoting out of context to make your points.