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A survey to gauge the degree of Trump support on these boards

A survey to gauge the degree of Trump support on these boards

The spokesman on these forums for the bigoted alt right, Remnant has stated that those of us who are vocally anti-Trump do not represent the majority of the owners on this forum. In the interests of democracy I would like to start a survey to clarify the situation. When responding please state whether you are an owner, a reservation holder, someone interested in buying a Tesla. Also state whether you are an eligible US voter or other which includes non-citizens and non US residents. You can expand your answer by describing aspects of Trump’s policies and tweets that you support and don’t support.

I will begin.

US citizen and voter, owner of a Model S85 since April 2013 with 129000 miles and 2 Model 3 reservations
Vigorously anti-Trump on pretty much everything.

El Mirio | 6 november 2017

+SUN 2 DRV +42, trump values equals circuit brake blow narcissistic feed-back loop. Dems. I agree are good at window dressing. Just because one sucks really bad, doesn't mean the opponent doesn't suck.

El Mirio | 6 november 2017

SUN 2 DRV +42, Trump is irrelevant, "me gago en to leche trompeta"!

SamO | 6 november 2017

Trump is a full-on fascist. A full-on racist, white supremacist. I have lots of Republican friends. None of them would have anything to do with this rapist-predator President. They are, to a one, embarrassed and angry that this vile worm has burrowed into their party.

+++++

MEMO FROM THE NATIONAL AFFAIRS DESK

DATE: MAY 1, 1994
FROM: DR. HUNTER S. THOMPSON
SUBJECT: THE DEATH OF RICHARD NIXON: NOTES ON THE PASSING OF AN AMERICAN MONSTER.... HE WAS A LIAR AND A QUITTER, AND HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BURIED AT SEA.... BUT HE WAS, AFTER ALL, THE PRESIDENT.

Richard Nixon is gone now, and I am poorer for it. He was the real thing -- a political monster straight out of Grendel and a very dangerous enemy. He could shake your hand and stab you in the back at the same time. He lied to his friends and betrayed the trust of his family. Not even Gerald Ford, the unhappy ex-president who pardoned Nixon and kept him out of prison, was immune to the evil fallout. Ford, who believes strongly in Heaven and Hell, has told more than one of his celebrity golf partners that "I know I will go to hell, because I pardoned Richard Nixon."

I have had my own bloody relationship with Nixon for many years, but I am not worried about it landing me in hell with him. I have already been there with that bastard, and I am a better person for it. Nixon had the unique ability to make his enemies seem honorable, and we developed a keen sense of fraternity. Some of my best friends have hated Nixon all their lives. My mother hates Nixon, my son hates Nixon, I hate Nixon, and this hatred has brought us together.

Nixon laughed when I told him this. "Don't worry," he said, "I, too, am a family man, and we feel the same way about you."

It was Richard Nixon who got me into politics, and now that he's gone, I feel lonely. He was a giant in his way. As long as Nixon was politically alive -- and he was, all the way to the end -- we could always be sure of finding the enemy on the Low Road. There was no need to look anywhere else for the evil bastard. He had the fighting instincts of a badger trapped by hounds. The badger will roll over on its back and emit a smell of death, which confuses the dogs and lures them in for the traditional ripping and tearing action. But it is usually the badger who does the ripping and tearing. It is a beast that fights best on its back: rolling under the throat of the enemy and seizing it by the head with all four claws.

That was Nixon's style -- and if you forgot, he would kill you as a lesson to the others. Badgers don't fight fair, bubba. That's why God made dachshunds.

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Nixon was a navy man, and he should have been buried at sea. Many of his friends were seagoing people: Bebe Rebozo, Robert Vesco, William F. Buckley Jr., and some of them wanted a full naval burial.

These come in at least two styles, however, and Nixon's immediate family strongly opposed both of them. In the traditionalist style, the dead president's body would be wrapped and sewn loosely in canvas sailcloth and dumped off the stern of a frigate at least 100 miles off the coast and at least 1,000 miles south of San Diego, so the corpse could never wash up on American soil in any recognizable form.

The family opted for cremation until they were advised of the potentially onerous implications of a strictly private, unwitnessed burning of the body of the man who was, after all, the President of the United States. Awkward questions might be raised, dark allusions to Hitler and Rasputin. People would be filing lawsuits to get their hands on the dental charts. Long court battles would be inevitable -- some with liberal cranks bitching about corpus delicti and habeas corpus and others with giant insurance companies trying not to pay off on his death benefits. Either way, an orgy of greed and duplicity was sure to follow any public hint that Nixon might have somehow faked his own death or been cryogenically transferred to fascist Chinese interests on the Central Asian Mainland.

It would also play into the hands of those millions of self-stigmatized patriots like me who believe these things already.

If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.

These are harsh words for a man only recently canonized by President Clinton and my old friend George McGovern -- but I have written worse things about Nixon, many times, and the record will show that I kicked him repeatedly long before he went down. I beat him like a mad dog with mange every time I got a chance, and I am proud of it. He was scum.

Let there be no mistake in the history books about that. Richard Nixon was an evil man -- evil in a way that only those who believe in the physical reality of the Devil can understand it. He was utterly without ethics or morals or any bedrock sense of decency. Nobody trusted him -- except maybe the Stalinist Chinese, and honest historians will remember him mainly as a rat who kept scrambling to get back on the ship.

It is fitting that Richard Nixon's final gesture to the American people was a clearly illegal series of 21 105-mm howitzer blasts that shattered the peace of a residential neighborhood and permanently disturbed many children. Neighbors also complained about another unsanctioned burial in the yard at the old Nixon place, which was brazenly illegal. "It makes the whole neighborhood like a graveyard," said one. "And it fucks up my children's sense of values."

Many were incensed about the howitzers -- but they knew there was nothing they could do about it -- not with the current president sitting about 50 yards away and laughing at the roar of the cannons. It was Nixon's last war, and he won.

The funeral was a dreary affair, finely staged for TV and shrewdly dominated by ambitious politicians and revisionist historians. The Rev. Billy Graham, still agile and eloquent at the age of 136, was billed as the main speaker, but he was quickly upstaged by two 1996 GOP presidential candidates: Sen. Bob Dole of Kansas and Gov. Pete Wilson of California, who formally hosted the event and saw his poll numbers crippled when he got blown off the stage by Dole, who somehow seized the No. 3 slot on the roster and uttered such a shameless, self-serving eulogy that even he burst into tears at the end of it.

Dole's stock went up like a rocket and cast him as the early GOP front-runner for '96. Wilson, speaking next, sounded like an Engelbert Humperdinck impersonator and probably won't even be re-elected as governor of California in November.

The historians were strongly represented by the No. 2 speaker, Henry Kissinger, Nixon's secretary of state and himself a zealous revisionist with many axes to grind. He set the tone for the day with a maudlin and spectacularly self-serving portrait of Nixon as even more saintly than his mother and as a president of many godlike accomplishments -- most of them put together in secret by Kissinger, who came to California as part of a huge publicity tour for his new book on diplomacy, genius, Stalin, H. P. Lovecraft and other great minds of our time, including himself and Richard Nixon.

Kissinger was only one of the many historians who suddenly came to see Nixon as more than the sum of his many squalid parts. He seemed to be saying that History will not have to absolve Nixon, because he has already done it himself in a massive act of will and crazed arrogance that already ranks him supreme, along with other Nietzschean supermen like Hitler, Jesus, Bismarck and the Emperor Hirohito. These revisionists have catapulted Nixon to the status of an American Caesar, claiming that when the definitive history of the 20th century is written, no other president will come close to Nixon in stature. "He will dwarf FDR and Truman," according to one scholar from Duke University.

It was all gibberish, of course. Nixon was no more a Saint than he was a Great President. He was more like Sammy Glick than Winston Churchill. He was a cheap crook and a merciless war criminal who bombed more people to death in Laos and Cambodia than the U.S. Army lost in all of World War II, and he denied it to the day of his death. When students at Kent State University, in Ohio, protested the bombing, he connived to have them attacked and slain by troops from the National Guard.

Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism -- which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.

Nixon's meteoric rise from the unemployment line to the vice presidency in six quick years would never have happened if TV had come along 10 years earlier. He got away with his sleazy "my dog Checkers" speech in 1952 because most voters heard it on the radio or read about it in the headlines of their local, Republican newspapers. When Nixon finally had to face the TV cameras for real in the 1960 presidential campaign debates, he got whipped like a red-headed mule. Even die-hard Republican voters were shocked by his cruel and incompetent persona. Interestingly, most people who heard those debates on the radio thought Nixon had won. But the mushrooming TV audience saw him as a truthless used-car salesman, and they voted accordingly. It was the first time in 14 years that Nixon lost an election.

When he arrived in the White House as VP at the age of 40, he was a smart young man on the rise -- a hubris-crazed monster from the bowels of the American dream with a heart full of hate and an overweening lust to be President. He had won every office he'd run for and stomped like a Nazi on all of his enemies and even some of his friends.

Nixon had no friends except George Will and J. Edgar Hoover (and they both deserted him). It was Hoover's shameless death in 1972 that led directly to Nixon's downfall. He felt helpless and alone with Hoover gone. He no longer had access to either the Director or the Director's ghastly bank of Personal Files on almost everybody in Washington.

Hoover was Nixon's right flank, and when he croaked, Nixon knew how Lee felt when Stonewall Jackson got killed at Chancellorsville. It permanently exposed Lee's flank and led to the disaster at Gettysburg.

For Nixon, the loss of Hoover led inevitably to the disaster of Watergate. It meant hiring a New Director -- who turned out to be an unfortunate toady named L. Patrick Gray, who squealed like a pig in hot oil the first time Nixon leaned on him. Gray panicked and fingered White House Counsel John Dean, who refused to take the rap and rolled over, instead, on Nixon, who was trapped like a rat by Dean's relentless, vengeful testimony and went all to pieces right in front of our eyes on TV.

That is Watergate, in a nut, for people with seriously diminished attention spans. The real story is a lot longer and reads like a textbook on human treachery. They were all scum, but only Nixon walked free and lived to clear his name. Or at least that's what Bill Clinton says -- and he is, after all, the President of the United States.

Nixon liked to remind people of that. He believed it, and that was why he went down. He was not only a crook but a fool. Two years after he quit, he told a TV journalist that "if the president does it, it can't be illegal."

Shit. Not even Spiro Agnew was that dumb. He was a flat-out, knee-crawling thug with the morals of a weasel on speed. But he was Nixon's vice president for five years, and he only resigned when he was caught red-handed taking cash bribes across his desk in the White House.

Unlike Nixon, Agnew didn't argue. He quit his job and fled in the night to Baltimore, where he appeared the next morning in U.S. District Court, which allowed him to stay out of prison for bribery and extortion in exchange for a guilty (no contest) plea on income-tax evasion. After that he became a major celebrity and played golf and tried to get a Coors distributorship. He never spoke to Nixon again and was an unwelcome guest at the funeral. They called him Rude, but he went anyway. It was one of those Biological Imperatives, like salmon swimming up waterfalls to spawn before they die. He knew he was scum, but it didn't bother him.

Agnew was the Joey Buttafuoco of the Nixon administration, and Hoover was its Caligula. They were brutal, brain-damaged degenerates worse than any hit man out of The Godfather, yet they were the men Richard Nixon trusted most. Together they defined his Presidency.

It would be easy to forget and forgive Henry Kissinger of his crimes, just as he forgave Nixon. Yes, we could do that -- but it would be wrong. Kissinger is a slippery little devil, a world-class hustler with a thick German accent and a very keen eye for weak spots at the top of the power structure. Nixon was one of those, and Super K exploited him mercilessly, all the way to the end.

Kissinger made the Gang of Four complete: Agnew, Hoover, Kissinger and Nixon. A group photo of these perverts would say all we need to know about the Age of Nixon.

Nixon's spirit will be with us for the rest of our lives -- whether you're me or Bill Clinton or you or Kurt Cobain or Bishop Tutu or Keith Richards or Amy Fisher or Boris Yeltsin's daughter or your fiancee's 16-year-old beer-drunk brother with his braided goatee and his whole life like a thundercloud out in front of him. This is not a generational thing. You don't even have to know who Richard Nixon was to be a victim of his ugly, Nazi spirit.

He has poisoned our water forever. Nixon will be remembered as a classic case of a smart man shitting in his own nest. But he also shit in our nests, and that was the crime that history will burn on his memory like a brand. By disgracing and degrading the Presidency of the United States, by fleeing the White House like a diseased cur, Richard Nixon broke the heart of the American Dream.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/

Dramsey | 6 november 2017

SUN 2 DRV,

"I enjoy talking with real Republicans..."

Really? That's good to know. I mean, most right-thinking Tesla owners think Republicans-- often cleverly referred to here as "Rethuglicans"-- rate somewhere between Nazi concentration camp guards and the Wicked Witch of the West's winged monkeys.

(I've never been a registered Republican but as a conservative I appreciate the sentiment!)

"I cannot support a Trump voter in ANY way whatsoever..."

Ah. But you said you enjoyed talking to "real Republicans", tens of millions of whom voted for Trump. I guess they're not "real Republicans"? Who gets to decide how real they are? I mean, if someone does get to decide this, you wouldn't think it would be some random progressive on the Interwebz.

"I don't see the inconsistency. It's not about politics its about VALUES!!!!"

You see what you've done here? You've created a little box, in your head, labelled "Trump voter". Based on your perceptions of Trump, you've created a set of loathsome characteristics you apply to everyone who supported him. Conveniently, this allows you to declare that no dialog whatsoever is possible, so there's no point in attempting to understand their perspective.

You feel so strongly about this that you've "disowned" members of _your own family_. I mean, how sick is that? I thought progressives were supposed to be caring and inclusive. Unless, I suppose, your friends and family are guilty of double plus ungood badthink.

Personally, I think Republicans are squishy liberals who'd sell out their principles for, say, a new battery plant in their state. So you can guess what I think of people who style themselves "liberals" or "progressives". Personally, I couldn't UNDERSTAND people who continued to support Obama, especially after "The Lie of the Year":

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-...

Yep, he knew it was a lie when he said it:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/kevinglass/2013/10/28/obama-knew-if-you-li...

Any rational person would think that such an exposure would nuke the political career of even the most gifted politician. But despite all the lies, the deceptions, the end runs around the Constitution, and still they supported him! WHAT KIND OF MORAL MONSTERS WERE THEY?

But you know what? Every friend I had who voted Obama is still a friend. Because once you start setting yourself up as a moral arbiter of some sort, and deciding that vast swaths of the population are subhuman scum not even worth engaging with, then you're on the start of a road we've seen the end of many times before. Fortunately, I don't have any gold fillings for you to extract.

PrimeTime | 6 november 2017

A darkness has fallen upon the land. Enabled by a lying narcissist. A narcissist whose only values of unworthy self aggrandizement sucks the unwitting along.

NKYTA | 6 november 2017

Model S owner for almost five years now.
I don’t like where our country has gone with the polarization, and us versus them. Try to engage and educate.
I’m generally a fiscal conservative and a social progressive (don’t put the country further in debt, stay out of peoples bedrooms and especially females health care decisions that they should make with their personal physicians).
Respect our men women and those that self-designate themselves otherwise that wear the uniform and protect our country.
Stop raping our planet for personal/company gain. Climate science is, well science.
Agnostic, the unproven, is unproven.
Slightly disagree with SamO, Kissinger did some good.

Recognize SCIENCE, be a critical thinker and debunk FUD where seen (when time allows).

End: Trump is an idiot and our Congress is now learning about it.
Not a fan.

Uncle Paul | 6 november 2017

Tesla owner/voter

Got to meet Donald Trump, and found him to be a Patriot and Gentleman.

He has been villified in the press, and many people use that to make their judgements. Lots of made up negatives and name calling for him, but they usually miss the point.

The USA was going in the wrong direction, with a well meaning, but foolish liberal vocal minority. They failed to listen to the voices of anyone that did not follow their agenda.

Trump is a balance to all that, and will, hopefully get us back on an intelligential, but not emotional vector.

Trump believes in traditional American values, that once made us the greatest Nation on the face of the earth. Opponents tend to fixate on things America had done wrong, but ignore those things that made America great.

Perhaps America is the only place on the Earth where people like Elon Musk could function to change the face of the planet. Not sure there is another country where he could have accomplished so much.

Trump has his issues, but many have been blinded by their ideology to view fairly what he can accomplish, given a fair chance.

Uncle Paul | 6 november 2017

Tesla owner/voter

Got to meet Donald Trump, and found him to be a Patriot and Gentleman.

He has been villified in the press, and many people use that to make their judgements. Lots of made up negatives and name calling for him, but they usually miss the point.

The USA was going in the wrong direction, with a well meaning, but foolish liberal vocal minority. They failed to listen to the voices of anyone that did not follow their agenda.

Trump is a balance to all that, and will, hopefully get us back on an intelligential, but not emotional vector.

Trump believes in traditional American values, that once made us the greatest Nation on the face of the earth. Opponents tend to fixate on things America had done wrong, but ignore those things that made America great.

Perhaps America is the only place on the Earth where people like Elon Musk could function to change the face of the planet. Not sure there is another country where he could have accomplished so much.

Trump has his issues, but many have been blinded by their ideology to view fairly what he can accomplish, given a fair chance.

NKYTA | 6 november 2017

“Trump believes in traditional American values”

You realize that things change right? Whose values, your dwindling 36%?

Respond to my points and how the changes he has suggested would help you and yours Uncle Paul.

rcyoder | 6 november 2017

I've had the pleasure of driving a 2012 Model S (Signature) for the last 2 and a bit years. It currently has 116K miles on it. I have 1 M3 reservation - it will become either my wife's car or my daughter's car.

I tend to look at things issue-by-issue and consider myself to be center left. (I like a tightly run financial ship and I believe in personal liberty. I believe that we all have a responsibility to our fellow citizens to lend a helping hand. I believe that humans are causing global climate change which is the single biggest existential threat that humans have ever faced. I have seen clean-air regulations turn LA from a place where I used to gag on the smog 7-8 months of the year into a place where I can usually breathe.)

I believe that Trump is the worst thing to happen to the US Presidency. He's a loud-mouthed, foul-mannered bully with less emotional intelligence than my 11 year old. He's taken the already existing running battle with truth and engaged Ludicrous mode to accelerate it as quickly as possible. He's ruining the good name of the United States faster than you can say conspiracy theory. He's using the Presidency to make as much money as he can as fast as he can and enrich his buddies along the way. Oh, and he's totally screwing over his core voter base and they don't get it -- that's the most amusing & most sad thing about it all.

SUN 2 DRV | 7 november 2017

Dramsey: I love to talk with republicans about their new ideas for how to address POLICIES related to terrorism, jobs, environment, immigration, civil unrest, economy, etc ie How we should tradeoff economic benefits and costs between those various priorities.

But I get to decide which set of VALUES are important for ME and anyone I want to consider a friend.

Anyone who wants to address the terrorism issue via religious discrimination is NOT my friend.

Anyone who wants to address the jobs issue by bringing back coal and increasing pollution is NOT my friend.

Anyone who wants to address the immigration issue by deporting millions of residents is NOT my friend.

Anyone who wants to address civil unrest by supporting white supremacists is NOT my friend.

Anyone who has voted for Donald trump has done ALL of those things and many more equally reprehensible things that DEVALUE our basic society and human rights...

So it's pretty easy to make the logical connection that anyone who has voted for Trump is not my friend.

And I'm still interested in hearing a Trump supporter's PoV, and I'm genuinely open to learning something. But I'm a LONG way from ever considering a Trump supporter as a friend and certainly not as a family member. I still don't see any inconsistency. I have my values and Trump supporters don't fit them... simple enough.

georgehawley.fl.us | 7 november 2017

I'm not in favor of having a moron in the position of POTUS.

sabbia | 7 november 2017

Notice that no Trump support has answered my question. Even those who say he is misunderstood and a gentleman and patriot. Is there an answer:

"To those who support the Trump agenda. Is it okay to mostly lie? Is it okay to enable N**is and 3K? Is it okay to muzzle scientists? Is it okay to ignore science that doesn't fit a political agenda? Is it okay to mock those with disabilities?

"In short, do those ends justify those atrocious means? Really, can you rationalize any of that? Please do step up and post your opinion here."

Captain_Zap | 7 november 2017

Trump is the farthest thing from a Gentleman than I can imagine. I can point anyone to a well circulated video showcasing his disgusting behavior and sick thinking process as proof.

As to calling him a Patriot, I have never seen any evidence of that and there is bountiful evidence to the contrary.

Uncle Paul | 7 november 2017

Trump has been vilified in the press with over 90% negative coverage. It is only natural for people to think poorly of him and for his popularity to be low.

Hitler controled the media too. While he was doing evil things his people rated him as a savior.

Most of the things that he is being accused of could also have been attributed to Obama and Clinton.

That recent feeding the koi fish coverage is a good example.

Captain_Zap | 7 november 2017

The koi fish story is something that Faux News is harping on. Other than that I don't see any other media making a big deal out of it other than social media.

TabascoGuy | 7 november 2017

@Uncle Paul, the media is just covering everything that comes out of Trump's mouth, 90% of which is complete nonsense.

Remnant | 8 november 2017

@SUN 2 DRV (November 7, 2017)

<< Anyone who wants to address the terrorism issue via religious discrimination is NOT my friend. ... Anyone who wants to address the jobs issue by bringing back coal and increasing pollution is NOT my friend. ... Anyone who wants to address the immigration issue by deporting millions of residents is NOT my friend. ... Anyone who wants to address civil unrest by supporting white supremacists is NOT my friend. ... Anyone who has voted for Donald trump has done ALL of those things and many more equally reprehensible things that DEVALUE our basic society and human rights... So it's pretty easy to make the logical connection that anyone who has voted for Trump is not my friend. ... And I'm still interested in hearing a Trump supporter's PoV, and I'm genuinely open to learning something. ... I still don't see any inconsistency. I have my values and Trump supporters don't fit them... simple enough. >>

So, you are prepared to lie on your opponents in order to vilify them, then allow them to re-qualify for conversation with you, once they renounce their POV and adopt yours.

This bald arrogance has always been the hallmark of the Extreme Left's ill faith, hypocrisy, and adherence to fake facts and dishonesty.

PrimeTime | 8 november 2017

@Remnant. Remarkable how closely your views are to those of the Unabomber who said in his manifesto:

"One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world is leftism, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern society in general."

SamO | 8 november 2017

@PrimeTime,

Either the progeny-of-Unabomber or a (Russian, FoxNews, Umbrella Corp) Bot intended to sow dissent among people of good conscience.

SUN 2 DRV | 8 november 2017

Remnant: Since you asked (If you really care), yes I'm open to reestablishing a relationship with a Trump voter. I need to see two basic things;
1. they simply need to say that voting for Trump was a mistake (no need to justify why they did it at the time)
2. they need to show remorse and realize that their vote had damaging consequences, saying "Ooops, sorry" doesn't fix the damage Trump has/is doing.
- eg write a letter of apology to the Indian widow of the Garmin engineers killed in Iowa by the guy yelling "get out of my country" apologizing for being complicit in that murder of her husband
- or write a similar letter to the family of the Charlottesville victim for being complicit in that murder
- or spend some time helping the DACA residents
- etc...............

Their apology should have nothing to do with me... it should be directed at the damage their Trump vote did to the people of this country.

rxlawdude | 8 november 2017

How about today's whopper: The Trump DOJ is threatening to derail the Time-Warner/AT&T merger UNLESS THEY DIVEST CNN.

If that doesn't scare the bejesus out of any sentient being...

Captain_Zap | 8 november 2017

I said before that I have never before felt so full of fear. Now it is amplified.

SUN 2 DRV | 8 november 2017

rx: Yes I noticed that too! Since Disney is interested in buying many of the Fox properties, maybe DoJ should require that they buy BOTH Fox News and CNN. Might be fun to see them both under the same management for a while....

SCCRENDO | 8 november 2017

@SUN 2 DRV. Perhaps they could all be under management of the Trump corporation.

SUN 2 DRV | 8 november 2017

SCC It was said in jest, and I was hoping that Disney would be more neutral and generally a better and more positive steward for both sides. If Disney ever does get Fox News I'd hope they'd clean it up, and give it a conservative PoV without all the current partisan BS.

BTW I wouldn't trust Trump corp on ANYTHING, I wouldn't buy a set of steak knives from them....even if they threw in free steaks...

SCCRENDO | 8 november 2017

@SUN 2 DRV. And I too commented in jest.

Tesla2018 | 8 november 2017

This is hysterical.You guys need to do some research. Find out who is one of the largest personal stockholders in Disney and see what his relationship is with Trump.

SUN 2 DRV | 8 november 2017

Tesla2018: The largest personal shareholder is Robert Iger and he left Trump's advisory team in protest earlier this year... So even if one of the other large shareholders is a Trump buddy, Robert's got him out voted...

So I don't see your point....

ram1901 | 8 november 2017

@Sabbia ... I'll take the bait. The reason no one has answered your 'questions?' is because they're all based on fake news and misreporting of the facts. But of course you are so deeply controlled by your irrational hate for the man that you refused to see otherwise.

Sadly, you and many others on this forum are reducing your life expectancy by wallowing in irrational hate.

So, there's the answer to your question. Sorry to violate your safe space. Sometimes the truth hurts.

dan | 8 november 2017

Model 3 day 1 reservation holder, voted for Trump, likely will vote for him again. Don’t agree with everything he does, but prefer him to Hillary or just about any other Democrat.

I’m not buying a Tesla because it’s “green”. Buying one because it’s simply an awesome car and driving electric is a much better experience than driving ICE.

SCCRENDO | 8 november 2017

@ram1901. Aren’t you the guy who keeps threatening to leave yet you keep showing up to find out if you are missed. I guess you are a Trump voter. Are you an owner or reservation holder??

sabbia | 9 november 2017

@ram1901. Thank you, thank you. Your weighing on on my questions about lying/mocking/denying tells us that you think those are inexcusable behaviors. Telling me that I am relying on "fake news" and "misreporting of the facts" is equivalent to stating that if the facts are indeed as they are, it would be despicable. So, we agree on what is lousy behavior. Thank you.

As to the facts, let's just do two today. I'll give you the others if you ask because we fundamentally agree about bad behavior.
1 Mocking disabilities. Go to Youtube and put "PX9reO3QnUA" (or put "mock reporter") in the search box.

2 Let's just take today. "I will declare China a currency manipulator on day 1" (okay...paraphrased but chapter and verse are readily available. Of course, such a declaration didn't happen and on day one hundred something, to Xi Jinping, "You are a very special man."

Tesla-David | 9 november 2017

@Sabbia, well said, +100

SCCRENDO | 9 november 2017

@sabbia +100

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