California participation in the "West Coast Green Highway"?

California participation in the "West Coast Green Highway"?

So it seems both Washington and Oregon are well on their way to "electrify" I-5 with Quick charge stations. Planners talk about the eventual goal of extension of this project to the California/Mexico border but I can't find a single post on any planning here in CA. Anyone out there know anything about this? Getting from NorCal to SoCal in a timely manner is going to require some fast DC chargers on I-5. Do we need to bombard Gov. Moonbeam with e-mails?

jfeister | 08. september 2011

They already did this in England. Forward looking businesses installed chargers to attract customers. Now you can get across the entire country. We don't need to look to the government to do everything for us. If there are enough EV's on the road the chargers will come.

Brant | 08. september 2011

OK, let's disregard the Obama administrations push to get 1 million EV's on the road by getting a jump on infrastructure...

I-5 between San Francisco and LA is about 400 miles; 80% of which is a whole lot of nothingness other than an occasional cluster of fast food joints around a gas station charging inflated prices. Not exactly the type of businesses know for "forward thinking". I can't imagine commercial interest in placing a $75K (guessing on cost of unit+installation) Chadmeo charger in these locations anytime in the near future.
However, it might be in the interest of Tesla. I understand a good portion of reservation holders are in CA. For the cost of 2-3 fast DC charging stations their Model S customers could transverse this distance without having to stop overnight at an RV park/EV friendly hotel for a "fill-up" charge.
This would enhance the utility of their EV's to existing California customers and likely attract future customers.

Just a thought....Elon?

the bonnie | 08. september 2011

I just returned home from driving approx 1200 electric miles in my Roadster, including the nothingness you mention above.

Higher power charging would have been convenient ... but the 70 amp and 40 amp charging worked out fine. I enjoyed the entire trip and never once bemoaned not having a quick charge station available.

The million EVs will come, independent of quick charge. The majority of cars on the road (EV and gas, alike) don't stray far from home. Those million cars will likely be charging at home, at night.

Don't get me wrong - I'd really like to see quick charge stations everywhere. I just don't happen to think it's necessary to get a million EVs on the road. And I suspect it will happen when the million cars are on the road, because (as mentioned by jfeister, above), businesses will see the value of attracting those customers.

Brant | 08. september 2011

Please tell me how you did this because I have been trying to figure it out.

The public charging stations I can find in that "nothingness" are 1) Los Banos KOA RV park (50amp), 2) Harris Ranch (tesla 70amp), and 3) Bakersfield Nissan (j-1772). The most likely charge stop would be at Harris Ranch as it is about 220 miles from San Francisco. But I understand charging to full would take about 3-4hrs even with a 70amp Tesla charger? I suppose one could go slightly short of that as there are only about another 150 miles to go to LA but I would assume it takes a bit more juice to get up the Grapevine hills?

Don't get me wrong-I think most things the government does, private enterprise can do better (and cheaper). I also think many consumers will not sacrifice convenience to drive an EV. The more you can demonstrate its advantages over ICE's and rid it of behavior modifying restrictions/limitations, the more consumers will come on board. Strategically place DC fast chargers on major thoroughfares in this expansive State of ours is a large step in that direction. You know, and I know, that for most of us daily commuting is low milage. However It is just human nature to think "but what if I want to drive further than that?"
AKA range anxiety.
Personally, when I drive to LA to see friends/family I always have two impatient children in the backseat so a 3-4hr stop at Harris Ranch is a "no starter". I'll drive an ICE or fly. That would not be the case if it was only a 45-60min stop.

the bonnie | 09. september 2011

(pardon all the lower-case c's ... my keyboard is not cooperating)

Following another Roadster owner's advice, I stopped in at the castaic RV park, then Harris Ranch, then finally, added a few miles at French camp RV park near Manteco to give myself a good margin to get home.

I spent approx 2 hrs at castaic, had a leisurely early dinner at Harris (about 2.5 hrs) and then spent about 1.5 hrs at French camp.

Regarding the impatient children :) - all three locations have swimming pools. Maybe you can let them help plan the trip/mileage/time needed to charge, along with what they're going to do, and put them in charge of declaring when it's time to go. Of course, that only works if they're old enough.

My biggest issue was removing my lead foot from the accelerator, since the time to recharge would exceed the time gained. :)

The trip, as I took it, might not work for you. But I predict this conversation will not happen 5 years from now. Things are changing rapidly.

Ramon123 | 10. september 2011

California is bankrupt, in case you've been away. There are the
obvious sites for chargers - the most obvious are gas stations, since they were set up to, you know, refuel automobiles. Don't worry, most are independently owned and operated and always looking for new ways to make a buck - gas may be expensive, but retailing the stuff is cutthroat business - VERY competitive. Gas stations usually make their money by selling snack food, cigarettes, beer, soft drinks.
Electric chargers means customers that have to linger for awhile,
buying stuff. And EV owners are usually better off financially. And oil companies have no power or right to order independent gas stations to do anything. And there is no need to add a bunch of chargers all at once, since there ain't many EVs out there and those that are aren't doing much long distance travelling. Local EV owners who live in apartments would be an obvious customer base.

Brant | 10. september 2011

It seems they are planning at least..

And they have the Tesla VP of business development on the planning board!

Brian H | 11. september 2011

I see there's also a weasel from UCS snuck in there. He should be un-invited, with prejudice.

Brant | 13. september 2011

This is interesting.

around 33min mark Elon mentions Model S fast charging as independent technology developed by Tesla that they will install at 100 mile intervals on major highways free of charge.
Hope that plan sticks!

David70 | 14. september 2011

So do I. I hope that also includes some between east and west interstates. If they could have planned locations determined and publicized by the time of release of the Model S, their sales could really go up.

David70 | 14. september 2011

P.S. that should read "along", not between.

VPLACE | 27. oktober 2011

Does anyone know if Tesa's Model-S GPS will provide displays for re-charging locations the future??
That would be a great anxiouty (sp?) relief for traveling long distances!

Brant | 27. oktober 2011

I have been told that it will

sparklee | 25. september 2012

Now the unfurling West Coast Green Highway is being met with a stripe of Tesla Red. How will they intertwine? Might there be some crossover?

This discussion is also echoed in another thread.

Brian H | 26. september 2012

An anxious person feels anxiety.

It would also be nice if TM kept a page with updated SC station locations, including GPS co-ordinates, and searchable by (e.g.) nearby town, highway, etc. An integrated trip planner would be even nicer!

mrspaghetti | 26. september 2012

I'd rather email Google and ask them to add the supercharger locations to their maps (though they will eventually do so without being asked)

RussellL | 26. september 2012

"It would also be nice if TM kept a page with updated SC station locations, including GPS co-ordinates, and searchable by (e.g.) nearby town, highway, etc. An integrated trip planner would be even nicer!"

A planner that can use your projected miles remaining and show you which chargers are in range.

As well as telling us the number of chargers in use.

kvanderson55 | 18. mars 2013

Check out phone apps like Recargo or Plugshare for recharging stations. There are lots of charging stations now in WA and OR. Unfortunately, the S doesn't have adapters that work with the high speed chargers that are now available.

TikiMan | 18. mars 2013

Don't expect much from the Los Angeles.. As it stands, the Los Angeles Transit Authority deliberately excluded EV's and low-emission alternative fuel vehicles from the HOV lanes on both the I-10 and I-110 freeways, in favor of charging a hefty fee for high-pollution vehicles, thus eliminating the one of the biggest incentives to own a 'clean-air' vehicle, in one of the MOST polluted cities in America!

Also, Los Angeles has removed the free-parking for EV's at LAX Airport.

Mike C | 19. mars 2013

TikiMan, I noticed EVs don't count as "carpools" even though we were allowed to use that lane before they took it! Diminishes the utility of the ugly sticker.

garyrudolph | 19. mars 2013

So, the I-10/110 doesn't work like the 91 Express Lane where EV's can still drive in them?

garyrudolph | 19. mars 2013

Never mind... Still have to pay a toll...