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Canadian Supercharger Sadness

Canadian Supercharger Sadness

Well, we're past the 6 to 8 weeks as promised by Elon himself back on May 1st. Still no SC's around my end of the continent. I guess I'll keep driving my MS in circles.

DAB | 01. juli 2014

Not sure where you are located - but did you see the progress pics for Squamish?

Here ya go: http://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/29iiqy/squamish_supercharge...

plusplusjames | 01. juli 2014

Yup, Canada and the Northeast backcountry are officially ignored. Sucks.

EdwardG.NO2CO2 | 01. juli 2014

I can't in good conscience mention superchargers and Canada in the same sentence when talking to Canadian prospects anymore. Certainly talk about home charging and other charging networks in Canada but it could be so much easier if the SC construction schedule was being followed.

NKYTA | 01. juli 2014

Does Canada have tougher permitting laws than the US? I'm just wondering if it is an issue with Tesla not trying or if leasing space, or regulations/permitting is what is holding things up....

SamO | 01. juli 2014

Lots of Teslas sold in Canada?

The country is as ~ as big as the U.S. but with the population of less than California.

Not hating on Canada, but the entire world needs to be Supercharged.

EdwardG.NO2CO2 | 01. juli 2014

I believe there is more than 1,000 Teslas in Eastern Canada and 9 or 10 planned SC installations in that area but none up and going yet. I don't know about permit issues but generally we are quite EV friendly, at least in Ontario. Bad winter weather has been mentioned in the past but that is long gone. We now have 4 or 5 months of construction weather available in 2014. We will see come year end!

hillcountryfun | 01. juli 2014

As focused as Elon and Tesla are, they have a lot of irons in the fire...I bet Canada has a couple SCs in another month.

church70 | 01. juli 2014

@SamO there's only two cities in the United States bigger than Toronto I'll let you figure that out
So yes Canada does represent a significant market

Red Sage ca us | 01. juli 2014

church70: In that case I would expect Canada to get at least as many Superchargers as Texas will have.

Al1 | 02. juli 2014

@SamO

Population wise Canada is bigger than Norway and Tesla market wise it buys more Teslas than Germany. Canadian superchargers were on Tesla map since day one. Not sure why a single supercharger has not yet been built.

Al1 | 02. juli 2014

Well, probably not more than Germany, but still as many. Canada needs superchargers and Tesla knows that. There's something else.

Al1 | 02. juli 2014

You've mentioned Canada is size of US with population less than California.

True, but majority of that population leaves along Canada - US border in the corridor from Hamilton (2 hours drive to the West from Toronto) to Montreal 6 hours drive to the East.

It is not just Canada though. To the south of border it's not any better. I would say the same is correct for New England. The closest supercharger is Albany, NY. Which is way too far from anywhere to be reached.

plusplusjames | 02. juli 2014

Due to high cost of gasoline, Canada is a natural market for Tesla. What exactly is the price these days up there, eh?

lunknugget | 02. juli 2014

I understand the multiple irons-in-the-fire thing but Elon is not personally coming up and installing them, is he? The SC team rolled out a lot of stations in a short amount of time to keep up with the demand and promise to fulfill a dream. The records were set travelling cross county and the SC opening mania waned. I'm not fond of the excuses having paid a large amount of cash for a vehicle that is supposed to be SuperChargeable. It's irritating to hear promises made at that level and no follow through. Forgive me for bringing this first-world problem to light.

EdwardG.NO2CO2 | 02. juli 2014

At $1.40 per liter and .26 liters per gallon that's about $5.38 per US gallon!

Darth Fedor | 02. juli 2014

@plusplusjames: the cost of gas is $1.50/L

plusplusjames | 02. juli 2014

Thanks for the heads up. Proves my point that Tesla is underserving a large potential market (Canada). They went in big in Norway and did very well.

Why not install 4 Superchargers in Canada on a fire drill basis (to link up the cities between Quebec City and Toronto)?

Seems like a no-brainer...

Al1 | 02. juli 2014

I still hope they will deliver before the end of the year. The plan for 2014 is very ambitious and we're half way through the year. It might well be Tesla trying to avoid demand surge, knowing they are short of batteries, but Canada and New England have been "coming soon" for quite a while now. Some progress will be very much welcome indeed.

stephen.kamichik | 02. juli 2014

We should start a Class Action suit to get reimbursed for the supercharger fees we paid.

jjs | 02. juli 2014

OP - I feel your pain. We live in Nebraska and are a SC desert. Thought that when the coast-to-coast SC network was announced going through I80 we would have them by now. Instead the route went through I90, S. Dakota. If you are driving from the east coast to the west coast in the U.S. that is NOT the straightest route. It is through NE on I80. Also there is more population/Tesla's in NE than S. Dakota. So WTH!

So I hope you get the SCers soon. However, in the larger scheme of things, the delay, both in NE and Canada is of no consequence. I don't mean to be unfeeling, it is simply a statement of fact. Demand continues to outpace production, they are still on track to change the world, I still drive the best car in the world. I grin, I drive, I acknowledge that if local SCers are a prerequisite for ownership then some people had best wait. I also acknowledge that Tesla has made missteps in communication along the way. Still they are doing what many experts thought impossible.

Again I hope for SCers in your area soon. In the meantime I will continue to grin and marvel at the amazing things this company has done and continues to do.

_thierrY | 02. juli 2014

Tesla official said that Québec's supercharger should be up and running in august. Marks on the ground at Drummondville's mall are supporting this prediction.

* "HQ" stands for Hydro-Québec, the national electricity provider.

DTsea | 02. juli 2014

Class action lawsuit? Is, or is not your car supercharger capable? That is all Tesla promised. They never said every owner would have SC service everyplace they want it.... just ask drax7.

Volleyguy | 02. juli 2014

I am glad to see this thread. I had mentioned I can not for the life of me figure out why they have not just put even one SC in Canada? The 0 a year later is saying something? (because it does not cost much to put one in)

They lost/postponed a sale to us by us buying a Fusion. I wanted a MS but one year of checking the map and I started to feel silly like maybe for some reason this market is not important... (Toronto area)

Vancouver has the most expensive gas west of Europe. No SC...

Our Fusion Energi has cut our gas expenses by 75% from up to $800 a month. That money could have went to Tesla, yet they do not want it...

From the Canadian perspective a great car but the halo is coming off...

DTsea | 02. juli 2014

Vancouver does have an SC in range. Burlington WA connects Vancouver to the west coast supercharger route. And Squamish BC is under construction to enable Vancouver to Whistler.

Volleyguy | 02. juli 2014

I am thinking some professor failed Elon when he went to school here and he is giving payback! (lol)

I do not buy the construction story either we build stuff here all the time and on time no different than U.S..

I do not buy he does not know the market as his mom is Canadian and he went to College here... So that does not fly...

From the Canadian perspective it has went from (for many) we trust you are going to build the SC (so they bought the car) to me it was build the SC (even just one) and you can cash the cheque to you can cash the cheque after you build the SC...

I know I had some fun poked at me about the Fusion Energi but I can get everywhere without planning and Ford did not even mention fast charging.

Plug in hybrid's are a big threat to the EV market in my mind. No infrastructure is needed. Mercedes is doing a C and S Class plug in.

Yes some will want pure/true EV's as purists but I think lots will go for Plug in's especially if no SC's.

Rocky_H | 02. juli 2014

With the huge population concentration in that Ontario region, I second plusplusjames' comment. They could have made a huge amount of difference for the country just by doing 3 or 4 of them.

Al1 | 02. juli 2014

@Volleyguy

Congratulations on your purchase, but for the rest I don't really think your rationale would work for others still considering Tesla. Those who can still wait I would advise to wait. Tesla may be a few months late with Superchargers. But you can't buy a car for just a few months and then sell it at decent price to buy you a Tesla. A car, and any car is at least a few years commitment.

Hope your savings on maintenance are as good as your fuel savings and yet in the end your car holds its resale value.

Above all drive safe!

stephen.kamichik | 02. juli 2014

At least we are not smashing our windshields.

lunknugget | 02. juli 2014

*Drive Safely!

Not drive safe.

Anywho, I'm still a big fan. And I don't normally plan road trips but buying the Tesla has me planning to drive to Colorado, California and Florida from Montreal soon....based on the SuperCharger hype! The lack of a viable link means I have to spend more time at the lake in Quebec this summer. Sadness....

Get it together.... The HQ signs for Richelieu are a weak hope! We can already get to Quebec City from Montreal. Emphasis is wrong.!

Volleyguy | 02. juli 2014

A/1
We have two cars actually 3 now. In time we will be back to two and hopefully one is a Gen III or used MS? (or MX)

I just no longer check the SC map daily! (after 1 year I started to feel a little nuts!) Tesla is now on their time line which they have been anyway... I am not waiting eagerly... I truly do hope they flood our Canadian market with SC's.

I am not sure I buy all the maintenance savings. I love the idea of not having to worry about all the parts of an ICE but a lot of ICE's are pretty reliable... (maybe from year 15 on Tesla could be better?)

On the Ford it was come back in 8,000 km's I think and some guys are doing oil changes every two years? Just no miles on the ICE. Is Tesla not $500 per year? I think the Ford is $60 for the oil change.

Tesla biggest advantage (to me) is lots of electric power and Super Charging making long distance EV travel a practical reality. (Fusion is really a gas engine on long distance)

Someone on here said lower TCO for Tesla? I just can not see it...

I do hope they hurry to keep the loyal Canadian fan base happy...

Captain_Zap | 02. juli 2014

They need to keep us in the US happy too.
I don't have a NEXUS pass for nothing.
Canada is our vacation escape route.

RanjitC | 02. juli 2014

How many reservation holders are there in Canada? This may answer your Question!

TheTank | 03. juli 2014

The real truth on why we in Canada do not have any Superchargers is a mystery. I for one could benefit greatly if there was one in Barrie, London, Belleville and Buffalo.. But strangley I managed to put over 55000 km on the car in 15 months without supercharging and yes I have had to have a few extended lunches at some Sun Country chargers .. And a few "can we make it moments" but I will never ever want to buy another ICE. Lets not confuse the most amazing things about the car with the rare times we really need the superchargers. In 2 years we will foget all about this .. Until then enjoy the ride!

jjs | 03. juli 2014

+1 TheTank

_thierrY | 03. juli 2014

@lanceneveu : SC in Drummondville will be usefull for round trip to Québec city or to easily get farer north (Chicoutimi) or east (Rivière-du-loup).

Theresa | 03. juli 2014

Maybe the people praising the good high capacity (70 amp) electric car stations in Canada worked against you in that someone feels that you can wait a little while since you can charge faster than most people in the States can charge. I doubt it but at least it makes some sense.

_thierrY | 04. juli 2014

@Theresa : I think you are somehow right. I had to do a 1000+km drive from Montréal to Gaspé and did not really needed a SC... 70 amps charging gives an extra 100+km while eating (not fast food!).

Jewsh | 04. juli 2014

@_thierrY:

'HQ' is a provincial provider. :P

Good news for QC'ers though. Nice pics.

Jewsh | 04. juli 2014

@TheTank:

Same here. Sun Country has done a great job adding 70/80A chargers in easy to access areas. I've used their unit in Orillia extensively.

We're around the same mileage on our 'S in about the same amount of time, too!

_thierrY | 04. juli 2014

@Jewsh : As you know, the federal governement recognized Quebec as "a Nation". So Québec's electricity provider is "national" ;-)

Jewsh | 04. juli 2014

@_thierrY:

I won't get into the politics involved, but yes you appear to be correct. My apologies.

Tesltoronto | 04. juli 2014

I don't think permit is an issue. Sun country has many 90 Amps chargers.

I think it is just that Tesla does not have the Will. Or perhaps think that we Canadians are a tolerant and polite lot!

David W | 04. juli 2014

There is more than a subtle difference between a Sun Country 90 Amp charger and a Supercharger. All you need (technically) for a L2 charger is a 208/240 V circuit and those are available in pretty much any electrical panel in any building in Canada. Whether the current service has 100A available is a secondary question.

Superchargers require their own transformers and rectifiers with secondary voltages in the 400V range and currents at 300+A. That's industrial stuff. Not something that any residential electrician can just stop by city hall and pull a permit for.

EdwardG.NO2CO2 | 04. juli 2014

I understood it was three phase as well but not positive!

Brian H | 04. juli 2014

EG;
If it's AC, it's positive 60 times a second. ;p

Volleyguy | 04. juli 2014

I just hope we do fall behind 100-0. It will be tough to catch up! (99-0 now)

Tesltoronto | 05. juli 2014

Well, if there are no superchargers soon enough, it is going to reflect on the sales in Canada. Tesla's claims that 25% of the people who test drive the car buy it. And there is a wait list to get an appointment to test drive the car in the Toronto Sales Centre at Yorkdale.

Obviously people are waiting for more positive news before they commit.

EdwardG.NO2CO2 | 05. juli 2014

@Brian H, if it is three phase I am positive it is positive 90 times per second! ;-)

Not sure where I saw the 3 phase thing but it may be in Europe. Three Phase is mostly industrial but when I worked on (serviced) commercial freezers in Canada, many were of the Three Phase variety. That was 40 years ago however! Three Phase is useful to reduce cable and conductor sizes for a given wattage so could benefit SC design requirements, but possibly limit location options.

bsimoes | 05. juli 2014

Looking at the "changes" section of the Supercharger site, it seems like 95% of new Superchargers are NOT being built in North America, but rather overseas...that's great, but I think Tesla needs to remember who gave them their start! I have the site bookmarked and check it daily, only to get frustrated at how the Northeast is seeing no progress. I can relate to driving in circles...or the equivalent radius of 100 miles. In ski country, we have mountains, which limit the distance we can travel, even when it's not snowing and cold.

EdwardG.NO2CO2 | 05. juli 2014

@Tesltoronto, we (the wife and I) have had a Tesla for about a Year now yet never needed a S.Charger. I do agree that S.Chargers are over due for Canada and have noted my disappointment a few times myself. However I am not convinced suggesting it has or will affect sales will be a motivator for improvement. The thing that will be the strongest influence on those with character is to point to the promises made to the buyers of the access option and the failure to deliver. I estimate Canadian owners have contributed approximately $2,000,000 towards installations with no return. We are entitled to our share so give us realistic plans and make it happen. In addition many Americans visit Canada and would use them as well. I personally would like to Super Charge my way to Florida soon (a promise was "Soon" to come when we bought the car a year ago).

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