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Collision avoidance system and Euro Ncap

Collision avoidance system and Euro Ncap

When will it be avilable in the S?

All premium sedans on the market has something similar as standard or an optiion (Adaptive Cruise Control etc.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_avoidance_system

Soon to be an standard in all cars sold in Europe .

I have been told that the S will have wiring prepared for this (?)

And when When the S be tested by Euro Ncap?

I didn't get the chance to ask Elon personaly when he came to Norway. (But he really answered a lot of questions from the invited audience - impressing)

TS | 14. mars 2013

And when will the S be tested by Euro Ncap?

Electron | 14. mars 2013

That requirement is more than 2 years away. I suspect it will be a "future" model S (2.0) that has
it and the Model X.

BarryQ | 16. mars 2013

The collision avoidance is so important to me it was almost a deal breaker. I had an Infiniti FX50 that had this and it worked wonderfully (as did the adaptive cruise control). I'm positive this reduces rear end collisions by an astronomical amount. I cannot believe the Model S does not have this almost essential item.

DouglasR | 16. mars 2013

I can't believe the Infiniti still has a gasoline engine!

Lush1 | 16. mars 2013

Bravo DouglasR. +1

I can't believe how much complaining there is about what the car can't do or doesn't have. (Just read the reaction to the charge timer feature in the 4.3 update. As soon as the roll out started, so did the complaining).

I can't believe Tesla is selling these amazing machines so cheap. I'm nowhere close to loaded and neither is my Model S, but I think they are a bargain, especially when you factor in the low operating and maintenance costs.

I can't believe Tesla can't make a car that is all thing to all people.

BarryQ | 16. mars 2013

DouglasR - I sold my Infiniti to make room for the Tesla!

Lush1 - I'm not complaining about lack of map pockets or grab handles.(Although they would be nice). I'm talking about a major safety improvement. Kind of like selling a car with no seat belts.
The first time the system saves you from rear ending someone because you were looking at that big beautiful screen you'll realize its worth!

jat | 16. mars 2013

@Barryfinn - simple solution: pay attention to driving when you are driving.

Joel N. Weber II | 16. mars 2013

Can Tesla just provide the full Google self-driving car experience on a reasonably aggressive schedule?

Google Driving : collision avoidance system :: Tesla : hybrid

jat | 16. mars 2013

@Joel - Elon is on record saying that he would love for Tesla to be the first commercial self-driving car. As for the readiness, Google has started letting employees on the team take cars home with them, so it is getting closer. There is still a lot of legal things that need to happen for it to be viable, and the cost of the system has to come down as well (though certainly it is easier to add $40k of hardware to a $80k+ car than a $20k car).

The hardware probably also needs some minimization, as it is pretty obtrusive right now (the laser rangefinder on top is pretty substantial, and would likely have a significant impact on range).

Google has been quoted as expecting them to be commercialized in 3-5 years, but there are a few hard technical problems that have to get solved:
- detecting lanes when covered by snow
- dealing with changes in the road, such as when under construction, that weren't expected
- dealing with hand signals from traffic cops

Currently, where they are legal, it is treated as an advanced cruise control, with the assumption that there is a driver who could take control (and is responsible for taking control) if needed.

Joel N. Weber II | 16. mars 2013

Hardware minimization may be mostly a software problem. We know that humans can drive with little more input than two movable optical sensors. 5-10 cheap color visible light cameras, not able to be moved relative to the car, might well be enough information to control the car, but writing the software for that may be harder than writing software for the laser rangefinder.

A fancy cruise control that requires no manual steering or speed inputs except in snow / construction zones / with hand signals would still be a huge improvement over what we have now if it really works well in the cases where it's claimed to work.

And at least in some states, we have laws that say that you're suposed to call Dig Safe before you dig holes in the ground. If we have laws like that, why can't we have laws saying that if you're going to have a construction zone, you need to tell Google about it? Google can then try to redirect the self-driving cars away from the construction zone onto another road where that's practical, and reverting to manual driving may be an option where rerouting doesn't work.

As for the hand signals, teaching the computers to understand the existing hand signals might be good, but if you start asking police officers whether they'd rather learn to use a smartphone app to control self-driving cars that can't read hand signals, or whether they'd prefer to continue to occasionally respond to drunk driving fatalities, what answer are you going to get? Does MADD have any opinion about this?

Also, does it actually matter whether every single driver responds to the hand signals, especially if self-driving cars just ignoring hand signals is expected? If self-driving cars are only 10%, is it a problem if they follow the car in front of them against the hand signals in some cases? And if we get to 90% self-driving, does a smartphone app that lets the person directing traffic be better physically separated from the traffic end up being a useful safety improvement?

BarryQ | 17. mars 2013

I think some of you are missing the point. The collision avoidance system is like a seat belt or insurance. You have it but hope never having to use it. No, I've never had a rear end collision (although I have been rear ended). I DO pay attention when I drive. If it didn't work other high end car makers wouldn't use it. It worked wonderfully on my Infiniti (although the lane departure system sucked). All it takes is a moments inattention (phone, radio, climate control etc.) on the freeway. You know how this works: the instant you take your eyes off the road the car in front of you slows rapidly. You look up and stomp on the brakes to avoid hitting them. The collision avoidance avoids all that. It's like having a 24/7 co-pilot.

dlewis | 17. mars 2013

I disagree with this statement, at least the part about seatbelts. I use them all the time because of things that may or may not be my fault - like being rear ended by someone. Insurance, yes we have it and hope to never need it.

I drive a lot of miles every year between personal and business vehicles, in excess of 50000 miles a year. Everything I drive has a collision avoidance system, its called the driver. It's my responsibility as the operator of the vehicle to pay attention to my surroundings and to drive in a manner to not have to slam on brakes or hit a car in front of or beside me.

Sure the high end companies do it, sure it works, but it is mostly a crutch for drivers not taking responsibility for actually driving.

GeirT | 17. mars 2013

Why the h...l you want this crap? Stay awake and watch what you are doing. Then nanny state is all encompassing it seems. Yikes!

arnebjarne | 17. mars 2013

@ GeirT

No need to get rude. It most certainly is not crap. If it was an option I would have gone for CAS in an eyeblink. For me it is not a dealbreaker, though. But I understand the concern. And so should you without being stupid about it.

Lush1 | 17. mars 2013

Barryfinn:
Sounds like you need a more rudimentary safety device, like driver education. If you glance down and when you look up your about to read end the car ahead you were:
A) following to closely
B) not exercising good judgement
C) operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner
D) all of the above.

I have never rear ended another car. Never had a close call like the ones you describe in a manner that makes it sound like this is a common occurrence in your life. If that's the case, you are a bad driver who isn't driving defensively. If you're on the freeway and really NEED to look at your phone, radio, climate control, etc, you will not have to panic stop if you leave enough following distance to the car ahead to give you the time you need for these tasks. Keep your eyes on the road and your hands on the wheel or you are making dangerous gambles with your life and the lives of other people you share the roads with. Paying attention to driving is your responsibility if you want the privilege of operating a motor vehicle. You must always anticipate the possibility that other cars may alter their speed. It's all part of driving defensively. Consider this your first lesson. You are very defensive, but not about driving safely. You are defending driving recklessly and offering as a solution adding systems that can intervene and drive the car when you fail at your responsibility.

I agree that crash avoidance systems are a good idea and can prevent collisions when other drivers create dangerous conditions which you can't always anticipate, or when mechanical failures or acts of nature suddenly happen while you are looking at your radio, phone, etc. I've driven for 45 years without incident, and while I like the idea of such a system, I feel quite safe without it. Rather, I did until I contemplated the idea of you in my rear view mirror. But I wouldn't put it in the same category as seat belts which protect occupants when something goes horribly wrong. I think anti lock brakes are super because they can perform braking maneuvers beyond the capabilities of most drivers and cars that lack the equipment. Traction control is great for those times when you misjudge a turn or encounter unexpected slippery roads, though many enthusiasts prefer driving with it turned off and complain that it still isn't completely off in most cars, Tesla included. But an alert, competent driver largely obviates the need of such a system. Sure,I would like to have it as an added measure of safety for the situations where I can't anticipate every conceivable threat, but I have been doing fine these 4 and a half decades without it so I don't feel it's a necessity. It's relatively new technology. Most cars on the roads don't have it, yet somehow, we're not all rear ending people, just those of us who drive distracted or follow too closely.

The lane departure systems, not interested. I can stay in my lane and I don't want the car intervening in that way. The way they paint the lines on the streets around here is reason enough, but it's really just a baby step toward automated roads where cars drive themselves. Maybe when I'm 80 we will have them and I will be ready to let cars drive me.

I think I saw a thread from someone who was able to have their Tesla retrofitted with aftermarket collision avoidance radar. You might want to look for it (though I'm not positive I am correct, I only saw a headline that suggested it)

Lush1 | 17. mars 2013

One more thing (as if I didn't say enough). I think collision avoidance radar has the potential of becoming a crutch that makes drivers less attentive and more comfortable tailgating. If you know the car will stop itself if you aren't paying attention, why not text, email, watch a video, read a paper, or just close your eyes.

I may eat my words if a tree falls into my path and I can't stop the car in time to avoid it, but that is likely to be the only situation where I need it.

DouglasR | 17. mars 2013

@Barryfinn

I have no objection if TM wants to add this system to future models. I was reacting, however, to the sentiment that you "can't believe the Model S does not have this almost essential item." I've never had it on a car. In fact, until now I had never even heard of it. So I don't think it's essential and I can certainly believe that a good car might not have it.

I think it's a mistake to assume that the Model S should have each and every feature found on other $100k cars. It's like complaining about the first Duryea Motor Wagon because it lacks the isinglass curtains found on the best horse-drawn surreys. The Model S advances the boundaries of automobile transportation. It is a giant step forward in so many ways. That is why I'm willing to pay twice as much as I paid for my last car, and why I would never pay this much for a Mercedes or an Infiniti.

Lush1 | 17. mars 2013

DouglasR

I am liking what you are saying lately. I couldn't agree with you more and echo your sentiments 100%. Coincidentally, my previous cars were a MB and an Infiniti but I would not choose either, or any other car on the market over my Tesla now. I've found myself agreeing with your comments several times this weekend while I've been very active on the forum. You have a gift for brevity I lack.

I'm in no way disagreeing with your last comment but I would like to add that the Model S in basic trim is a $50,000 car. I think it's an amazing bargain in stock trim or fully loaded, especially given the R&D costs and the remarkably short time they created the Roadster and Model S.

To paraphrase a comment I made following one of yours earlier: I can't believe how much people complain about what the car doesn't have. It has so much that no other car has, but some people seem to think it should have every feature that exists in the world. It's sad how selfish and unappreciative some people are. If the Model S doesn't have something a person finds essential, they should buy a different car. The Model S is fantastic and is better than I imagined it would be, and it's getting better with each FREE software update.

jat | 17. mars 2013

@DouglasR, Lush1 - +1

Tâm | 17. mars 2013

I love to have a Collision Avoidance System. This car is too powerful and it runs too fast. Nature is not always predictable: rain, fog, night time darkness, sun glares, deer crossing the road ... It is always good to have something to fall back to.

We are human so accidents happen every day. Accidents prevention system is one way to reduce it:

"According to the National Sleep Foundation’s 2005 Sleep in America poll, 60% of adult drivers – about 168 million people – say they have driven a vehicle while feeling drowsy in the past year, and more than one-third, (37% or 103 million people), have actually fallen asleep at the wheel!

In fact, of those who have nodded off, 13% say they have done so at least once a month. Four percent – approximately eleven million drivers – admit they have had an accident or near accident because they dozed off or were too tired to drive."

http://drowsydriving.org/about/facts-and-stats/

Electron | 17. mars 2013

Tam- This car is too powerful and it runs too fast? Last time I checked the driver was in complete control of the car's speed. With the pedal. On the floor. To the right.

glaserud | 17. mars 2013

Last time I checked, Adaptive Cruise Control was a convencience, not a safety feature...

Whity Whiteman | 17. mars 2013

adaptive cruise control itself is not the point. Wasn't there this contract between Tesla and this company, with serves the content for the rear camera- augmented reality etc.?
I want this interactive thing- and a parking warner and the eletric folding mirrors.

European greetings

Tâm | 17. mars 2013

To me, it's just terminology which opens to marketing interpretation which is less helpful to safety information.

Adaptive Cruise Control is a generic term. Some can detect stationary objects, others can't. Some can stop your car automatically while others demand that the driver has to manually apply the brake in order to stop the car.

What counts is when a driver fails, can the system take over and prevent the accident!

BarryQ | 17. mars 2013

Lush1

Thank you so much for my lesson. You've brought a reasonable discussion down to the level of personal insults. I'm sure we'll all find this very useful. Well done.

TS | 18. mars 2013

@ you guys "voting" against radar based pre-crash system :
Did you feel this way about ABS when you first heard of it?

Radarbased pre-crash systems will soon be standard in all new cars.
No matter how you feel about it.

These kinds of accidents happens every day.
A dead customer do not buy a new car..
It should be an easy fix for TM to install the hardware and launch a new firmware

Do you really think Tesla Motors don't belive in this technolgy?
The only questions is - When do they launch it ? And will it be possible get it as a aftermarked solution
and installed by the local Tesla garage?

In my opinion, there is a few reasons why its not implemented in the S , yet:
- No extras at this time beacause of need for a quick launch
-Powerconsumtion - when batteries kWh encreases by 7% next year, problem solved
-Do not want to depend on patent pending products from existing suppliers to the car industry

Elon, any comment ? ; )

Facts : (Source: globalncap.org )

US:
"IIHS researchers are monitoring real-world performance of driver assis- tance and crash avoidance technologies with the intention of promoting those that are shown to be effective at helping drivers avoid crashes."

Europe:
REWaRdiNg NEW TEChNOlOgiES: EURO NCaP adVaNCEd
Since 2010, Euro NCAP has been rewarding vehicle manufacturers
that make available new technologies that provide a scientifically proven safety benefit for consumers and society. Many of these technologies focus on avoiding crashes by informing, advising, and alerting drivers about dangerous situations. Some of them initiate autonomous braking as well. Recognizing these advances under Euro NCAP Advanced pro- vides an incentive to manufacturers to accelerate the availability of new safety equipment across their model ranges and helps vehicle buyers factor these features into their purchase decisions.
fUTURE PlaNS
In 2012-15, Euro NCAP will be conducting extensive reviews of almost all its testing and assessment procedures. The objective is to make the 5-star rating system even more meaningful in terms of real-world per- formance and the advancement of safety technology. Work has com- menced on the development of an additional full-width frontal impact test using different-size dummies. There are also plans to implement a numberofnewtestproceduresfocusingonemergingcrashavoidance technologies and speed support systems.

Getting Amped Again | 18. mars 2013

I'd like the guy/gal behind me to have a Collision Avoidance System - seriously. I all too often look up at my rear view mirror to see an approaching car with the driver looking down at their phone......

arnebjarne | 18. mars 2013

Lush1:

Congratulations. You never rearended another car. Yet. Lets keep it that way. I just find it hard to understand why you are such an avid antagonist. It is just yet another safety measure like seatbelts, ABS, automatic seatbelt-tightener, airbags, collapsable steeringwheel, rain sensor, parking sensors, and so on and soforth. Or do you think all these are unnecessary? Well, I am not the only one on the road. There is no guarantee that there is not someone who will nail you in you car with his Surburban. Now, if this Surburban had CAS, you might live. The more widespread a technology, the better. Why not CAS in my MS?

Vawlkus | 19. mars 2013

It's NOT a safety feature though, it's a way for people to NOT PAY ATTENTION to what they're SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
When you're driving, you're in control of a multi-tonne kinetic missile. Why in the name of all things holy and sacred would you not pay attention to what is around you???????????? Seriously. The ONLY reason for this extra feature is so you can not pay attention to driving. If that's what you want, wait for a robot car to drive you around, get a chauffeur, ride a taxi or the bus.

Sorry if you find that offensive, but I find it offensive when people take the privilege of driving and assume its a god given right which they can then abuse with impunity. This is a serious responsibility, not something to be taken lightly.

alsettesla | 19. mars 2013

I am so excited about the Model S and Tesla as a company. My P85 will arrive within the next 10 days, so I am obviously a believer. As Tesla's goal is to make the best car in the world (not just the best electric car), I think these are fair questions to ask. Active safety systems are becoming more commonplace, and should be on Tesla's product roadmap. I completely understand these features not being available at this stage, and I am stunned at all of the revolutionary advances incorporated in the Model S.
I have confidence that Tesla will incorporate these feateres in the future. We are a community of early adopters and enthusiasts, and I believe our discourse can help accelerate Tesla's success. Personally attacking someone that asks a question (even if you don't agree with how they phrase the question) doesn't help at all. This is the most remarkable car in the world, but as with everything, it can and will be better in the future.

danr | 19. mars 2013

Nothing is more important then Safety
That's for sure, as soon as I purchased My Tesla Model S
I started looking online for the best solution, I found a collision avoidance system by "Mobileye" to have the most options, it also was installed in my Tesla without the need for any screws or medaling with the dashboard. I have had it for a few months now, very reliable and all I can say is it already paid off for me, I wont say I am a bad driver cause I'm not, but on a few occasions I came too close for comfort....

BarryQ | 20. mars 2013

Danr

Thanks for the Mobileye heads up (Pun intended). I didn't know it existed. Can I ask what you paid for it and about the installation process? Do you have a dashboard warning system as shown on their website?

Barry

murraypetera | 20. mars 2013

Mobileeye told me they make the system for ford, Volvo and gm but they do not integrate aftermarket systems with breaks. To much liability. So the manufacturer needs to do this.

Their system looks very interesting but I have yet to take a test drive with one. My concern is that it might get annoying at some point like radar detector before GPS integration.

Tâm | 20. mars 2013

I love the option of Google Driverless Car as it can avoid accidents in any conditions day, night, rain, snow, fog, pedestrian, animals...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkamui/2013/01/22/fasten-your-seatbelts-g...

There are a few constraints: I can't afford the cost of about $300,000 to equip my Model S for Driverless Car feature. Those equipments look montrously big and occupy too much space. How can Model S supply enough energy for driverless feature?

BarryQ | 21. mars 2013

This is for Lush1:

If a tree falls in a forest and you don't see it, are you still dead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PzOt5zD7hg

This ad is for brake assist and not an anti collision system, but they often go hand in hand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_brake_assist

I-Like-Electric | 04. september 2013

I don't want an anti-collision system in my vehicle. I like having control of my car. If they put a system like this in I hope they have a way to turn it off.

I have been reading about the defects Nissan's anti-collision systems. From my understanding there is no way to turn the anti-collision systems off in their cars. I will be staying away from any manufacturer that does this.

Tâm | 04. september 2013

@I-Like-Electric

It's an option.

1) You need to pay extra for it. If you don't want it, don't pay for it.

2) If you accidentally paid dearly for it, you can turn it off.

"A 2012 Institute survey of owners of Volvo vehicles with crash avoidance technologies found that, despite some annoyance, the majority of drivers left the systems turned on most of the time, felt the systems made them safer drivers and would want them in their next vehicle."

http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/crash_avoidance.aspx

DTsea | 04. september 2013

Cruise control should never be engaged in heavy traffic. Period stop.

jpetcove | 01. oktober 2013

Are tesla owners happy with mobileye?
Cost to install?
jpetcove

GaryREM.va.us | 01. oktober 2013

@DTsea why not?

Have you used a car with a good adaptive cruise control? The system in my Infiniti works very well, slowing the car as traffic slows, speeding up when needed. I can adjust the gap between cars. Works well in heavy freeway traffic when speeds are varying

Jonathan C. | 26. kan 2014

I remember when I fall asleep in my car. It was horrible. I had finished a survival military training week. I was exhausted. I was home relaxing and my girlfriend asked me to drive to her to hangout… well I was tired but people that have been in the military will agree, you don’t turn down such a request heheh.
Anyway, coming back I just couldn’t keep my eyes open, I tried everything: music, open windows, drinking water… I was fighting to stay awake… and then I saw my town exit board saying “1500m to exit” and I relaxed a bit…. Boom!! Let’s say I’m happy to be able to tell the story.
Now, if I’m tired or someone of my family is tired the car stays parked… No driving when tired period!
I hope those systems don’t “relax” the driver too much, or you’ll end up with a tons of cars driving themselves until stopping on the side of the road…

Red Sage ca us | 26. kan 2014

I woke up in the passenger seat to a field of green before me in the early mist of sunrise. My Brother was slumbering peacefully in the driver's seat, as my car was passing over the median toward oncoming traffic. I yelled his name, he awoke, quickly assessed the situation, and corrected the course of the vehicle into our own lanes.

Naturally, he said he was 'fine' and could go on. I insisted that he pull over at the next exit. I drove the rest of the way to my Grandparents farm, well rested, and very alert.

I'm glad to be able to tell that story.

Brian H | 26. kan 2014

On my epic youthful cross-country trip on a Kawasaki 175 two-cycle back in the late '60s, I was taking the bypass around Regina -- about 45 miles per side of a square, ruler-straight on dead-flat prairie. Other traffic at about 1 car per 5 minutes.

I can attest that road hypnosis is possible on a 'cycle. As my speed crept up into the 80s and location on the road began to vary, I managed with intense effort to release the accelerator grip, and coasted to the shoulder. I felt as though I had cheated death!

Al1 | 26. kan 2014

Any updates on driverless functionality?

Haggy | 18. august 2014

All it takes is one person who was driving and paying full attention, who has excellent reflexes, and had a car that put on the brakes for him faster than was humanly possible and avoided a collision, to refute the claim that it's not a safety feature or that it's only for bad drivers. I'm one of those people. No matter how good your driving is, you can't stop somebody from swerving unexpectedly within a few feet of your front bumper and slamming on his brakes at 70 mph. You would have to start moving your foot toward the brake pedal before it even happened if you wanted to avoid an accident in that circumstance.

You shouldn't use passive forms of cruise control in moderate to heavy traffic, but ACC can increase your safety in those circumstances by keeping your following distance at a certain number of seconds, adjusting it when speeds change, keeping you from inadvertently speeding up way past the speed limits when drivers in front of you do, adjusting for you when somebody changes lanes in front of you, and reacting instantly to an unexpected hazard. Nobody is advocating that people use this instead of paying attention. Even with ACC, the assumption is that your eyes are on the road, and that your foot is either right behind the accelerator pedal or hovering over the brake pedal as appropriate. Use of either pedal overrides the ACC or disables it as appropriate.

I bought the Tesla anyway only because my previous car was totaled and I couldn't wait for a design change. And my car wouldn't have been totaled had the driver who totaled it been driving my wife's car, which would have prevented the accident or at least minimized the damage. Then I could have kept my old car until Tesla did something about this issue. Some leading car magazines topped their list of negatives with this issue, since the car has so few flaws that go beyond the scope of convenience issues. Lacking something that all cars in its class have is a good reason to knock them for it.

AmpedRealtor | 18. august 2014

ACC can increase your safety in those circumstances by keeping your following distance at a certain number of seconds, adjusting it when speeds change, keeping you from inadvertently speeding up way past the speed limits when drivers in front of you do, adjusting for you when somebody changes lanes in front of you, and reacting instantly to an unexpected hazard.

I have no issues with Tesla adding active safety features, but the fact remains that the above is going to breed lazy drivers as a byproduct. Relying on ACC to maintain a safe driving distance from the car in front of you means that you are not making that a conscious effort. You are also relying on ACC to not pay attention to what's happening around you because the car can adjust. Reacting instantly to an unexpected hazard is where the feature is useful, not in substituting for basic driving skills.

Also, which car has an active safety system that would apply hard braking at freeway speeds to avoid a collision? It seems to me that doing so would create a tremendous hazard for rear collision, no? Sometimes the best way to avoid colliding with the car in front of you isn't to hit the brakes, but simply changing lanes. Which active safety feature would do that for me, and if so, would I trust the car to change lanes for me? How can the car tell the difference between a lane, a median, and the river gorge below?

Active safety features have their place, but not at the expense of the driver paying attention.

Jewsh | 18. august 2014

Driver aids should be added but driver education should also be increased. We should consider both aspects important.

Haggy | 18. august 2014

Changing lanes assumes you have time to decide, which is not the case in an emergency. The one time I needed it the most, changing lanes wasn't an option, and not slamming on the brakes wasn't an option. If a driver doesn't have enough time to move the foot from the accelerator to the brake before there would be an accident, it would be impossible to change lanes. Not slamming on the brakes would have meant a severe accident. It had nothing to do with not paying attention, and if you can find statistics that show that owners of cars with these features pay less attention, then show them to me. The problem is that if it's true, and the cars stop the accidents from happening, there will be no reports. On the other hand, if the people wouldn't have been paying attention anyway, then I'd want them to have the feature before they smash into me. All I know is that my insurance is much lower on a car that has such features.

I also find the assertion absurd that a person is going to turn on ACC and decide that it's fine not to pay attention because of it. The manuals for most cars warn you that it's not designed to stop the car completely but could minimize the damage when you do get into an accident, if you don't take heed when it starts flashing BRAKE at you. But if you think that way, then don't turn it on. As long as others are having fewer accidents because of it, that's fine with me. If you hit me, we'll deal with it at the time.

The advantage of ACC is that I can use cruise control and not have to turn it off when a car moves in front of me, or turn it back on when the car leaves, and keep switching it off and on. If it could turn itself on automatically when the road ahead is clear, that would be fine. It's an alternative to standard cruise control, and I could make the same argument for standard CC and say that it encourages people not to pay attention, as long as I don't need to back my argument up. But in the case of standard cruise control, which the MS has, it's a certainty that if you aren't paying attention and a car moves in front of you with CC on, you will hit it if it's slower than you.

We already know that there are plenty of accidents where drivers aren't paying attention and that many of them would have been avoided with active safety features. We also know that none of them were avoided without them.

Nanana26 | 18. august 2014

"And when will the S be tested by Euro Ncap?"

Hopefully never for Tesla, Euro Ncap has the highest standards in the world.

It's a 5 star rating, no seatbelt warning, will get you a star deduction, no autobreaking, star reduction, etc. Pretty gruesome test.

Nanana26 | 18. august 2014

Tesla CAN test their car in Euro NCAP btw.

Euro NCAP will test high volume cars.

BUT any car manufacturer can let their car get tested, and many do, the car company pays for the testing in that scenario, but it's not a high price for a car company.

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