This does NOT!...
Jeeeze you're right. I'm really hoping the betas were lacking a completed center console. We shall see in February I suppose!
The Motortrend article looks like the alpha interior while the Bunty photo is definitely from a beta visit.
I'm hoping for a combination of the two. The center console similar to the alpha with the dash highlights of the beta. And I think I see forward/reverse buttons on the alpha, so that would be a nice alternative to the steering wheel thing on the beta.
The interior on the prototype was one of the things that originally attracted me to the Model S as being not just the best electric car, but the best car. The console wrapped around the 17" monitor, sheltering it from glare and softening its outline.
The interior on the beta reminds me of an early 80s Aston Martin Lagonda: Angular and simplistic cream-colored surfaces, too-shiny strips of veneer, and an oversized in-your-face digital display.
BUT... the Lagonda has a center console! :-P
The Motortrend article looks like the alpha interior [...] (Jason S)
It is the Alpha interior that was up on Tesla Motor's website from the reveal of the Alpha in March 2009 until the updated "Model S Facts" page went online shortly before the reveal of the Beta in October 2011.
(sorry for the HTML formatting snafu)
Definitely the alpha. The date on the monitor is April 17,2009
Wow, yet ANOTHER center consul thread
First time i see this...how do you get from alpha interior (very classy) to the beta one?? Did they put an Austin Powers lookalike in charge of interior design?
Gee ... do you think that might tell TM something?
I sure do hope that they've come up with an interior design that is worthy of a spectacular exterior design. The beta interior (even a slightly modified beta) is NOT!
@Nick Kordich reflects my position well when he writes: The interior on the prototype was one of the things that originally attracted me to the Model S as being not just the best electric car, but the best car. [emphasis added] The console wrapped around the 17" monitor, sheltering it from glare and softening its outline.
I think it says the people that don't like it, for whatever reason, are determined.
@ThomasN: As one of the vast majority of reservation holders who "don't like it" [the interior], I am determined to get Tesla to correct a design error that will hurt sales of the car over a longer term than 2012. I'm also a shareholder, so long terms sales matter.
What's maddening is that (to quote) @erik ... "how do you get from alpha interior (very classy) to the beta one?? Did they put an Austin Powers lookalike in charge of interior design?"
That's snarky, I know, but it's also fairly accurate.
What worries me is that TM will deliver the Beta-like interior to Sig holders and early P holders, then finally relent when negative feedback continues, and make a change in 2013/14. Better to do it now so that early adopters are not punished.
I sure do hope they release the final interior design soon, and I also hope it's a significant improvement.
@Soflauthor: "As one of the vast majority of reservation holders who "don't like it" [the interior] ..."
where did you get the statistic that states that "the vast majority of reservation holders [who] don't like it"? Or is this just an opinion. If so, then please don't present it as fact ...
This has been discussed ad nauseam. Based on observations in other areas I presume that they don't employ Austin Powers lookalikes at Tesla. More likely, they did not get around to finish the interior to their own standards before the October 1 event, so they went with something they could quickly implement to show off in the Beta vehicles.
It is disturbing that they did not care to mention that the interior shown in the Betas was actually a stand-in (assuming that it was). Looking at the discussions around the Options & Pricing page, I have a cold comfort in finding that much of the heated debate was entirely pointless and would not have taken place if, e.g., Tesla had accurately communicated the standard features included in the base price at the same time. Similarly, at this point I see no way other than lean back, let the dust settle and breath calmly until Tesla steps up and reveals the official and final interior.
There is nothing wrong with letting Tesla know what we think, one way or the other, just as we did with that dreaded Alpha nose cone, too. Regarding interior in general and center console/cup holders in particular, this should have been accomplished by loads of other threads around these topics:
(in order of appearance)
Caveat: Everything I said in this post is my subjective opinion, based mostly on speculation.
@Softauthor: if the text you emphasized sounds familiar, it's because I was quoting/paraphrasing Elon.
@clea: I have followed the interior debate closely since the beta was introduced. It's readily apparent, if you choose to read the many threads (see @V.B's list above), that the "vast majority" of comments about the beta interior on this forum, at teslamotorsclub.com, and on Tesla's facebook page (when people comment on the interior) are negative or ask for major modifications to design, color choice, etc. Sorry, if you need something more quantitative or a scientific polling approach, but I honestly don't see the point, since this is not a vote, and the final interior is now complete.
@V.B is absolutely correct when he states "at this point I see no way other than lean back, let the dust settle and breath calmly until Tesla steps up and reveals the official and final interior."
I will follow that sage advice, but let's have a reveal sooner, rather than later, so that we'll know what we're buying.
On the recent conference session, Elon responds to a question about the interior by saying that it is essentially finished but TM will improve the fit and finish of the interior.
Yeah, we all know the Beta dashboard was a disappointment. Tesla knows too.
Question is: After finding this out from their customers on Oct. 1, have they been doing anything about it in the last 4 months, or has all the design effort gone into the new Model X prototype?
We'll see soon enough.
Just my 2-cents, sorry, but I think the alpha looks like it has an old fashioned horse collar on it.
Sorry, didn't realize it was so big.
At the risk of being crucified, I prefer the look of the beta to that of the alpha. The alpha looks cramped and needlessly bulky whereas the beta looks minimalistic and open. I would be disappointed if they returned to the alpha look. Tesla is trying to go away from a center stack and consol that is dripping with buttons, toggles and switches and I, for one, am all for it.
I sure do hope they release the final interior design soon, and I also hope it's a significant improvement.
I don't want to rain on most folk's parade, but it is unlikely we will see a significant improvement over the Betas that were at Fremont.
Here's an interview with Elon and CNN Money published in November 2011. At 24 seconds into the video he explains that the Beta "is 99% of the production design".
And I just got a call from my Tesla rep (triggered by my email to him about saddle leather). His bottom line on the interior: what's in the non-engineering betas (i.e., not the old Sig red, not the "engineering" white beta) is close enough to final that, if you took off your glasses, that's what you'll see. I don't know how bad his uncorrected eyesight is, though! Still, I think that definitely rules out a bulky center console from the Model S design.
What did he say about the saddle leather?!
I just hope and pray, for the sake of Tesla, that I am in the tiny minority when it comes to not being in love with the new interior, and they still sell tens of thousands of S's to semi-wealthy people, who don't expect it to be everything they ever wanted in a dream car.
I understand that we'r enot going to be getting anything that looks like the alpha (for instance it doesn't have place for the banana leaf/lacewood/piano black accents). However, I just really really want easy to access cup holders and larger armrests, with a sliding adjustment if necessary.
I also forgot to mention I would absolutely live the push button "shift" controls as seen in the alpha instead of the crappy lever on the stalk. I would also love touchscreen shifting instead.
I know Tesla isn't sort of challenging all the convention of design, but I actually think it would be really cool to have paddles (like psuedo-manual shift paddles for some automatics) for the turn signals instead of the standard lever control.
Just my 2-cents, sorry, but I think the alpha looks like it has an old fashioned horse collar on it. (Mycroft)
Ha! I agree 100%. I was thinking that the rim around the Alpha's screen reminded me of something, but could not figure out what it was. Thank you for opening my eyes, I will sleep better tonight! :-D
[...] semi-wealthy people, who don't expect it to be everything they ever wanted in a dream car. (TikiMan)
I am afraid, your assessment of semi-wealthy people's attitude may be wrong. Those people who can barely afford the Model S will be the most critical. Among all customers those will be the ones who will be most careful and hesitant in allotting their money, so if the Model S does not work for them, they will buy a new Prius or a used BMW instead, depending on their priorities, but will spend less money either way.
Regarding center console, a new twist to the story came up in another thread -- you may be able to get one if you want one, and if you don't, you won't. Instead of cross-posting, I just paste the link to that discussion here:http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/when-will-we-see-new-interior?pa...
I also believe, as Volker says that "Those people who can barely afford the Model S will be the most critical." If Tesla has the intention to sell 20.000 vehicles on a yearly basis, then they for sure will have to target the upper middle class. Those who have no issue at all on spending this kind of money on a car might still buy it for fun. But those who have to make a well balanced decision since it will be the only luxury car they will/can buy for the coming years, will need to be 100% convinced that they will not regret it. Personally, I am in love with the outside of the car but deeply disappointed with the inside. Maybe I change my mind when I actually get the chance to see the car and sit in it, but right now I'm not convinced. Also realize that the interior is not the only possible show stopper. Other doubts that still live is the unproven technology ( unless you consider the few years that the Roadster is out sufficient ), the battery live ( OK, the warranty helps ) and the fact that TM is a rather young company in times of economical crisis. So yes, before I spent most of my savings on this car, I need to be 100% in love with the car - 90% will just not cut it !
preferences will vary, but i rather wouldn't have seen the alpha interior, if the beta is the one we will end up with. Knowing what it could have been is twice as hard.
The horse collar probably needed some refinement, good one Mycroft.
Most worrying to me however is the switch from alpha to beta. Did the team really consider it an improvement? Wow.
Did the team really consider it an improvement? Wow.
The design team certainly figured it would be easier to implement on time. ;-)
Yes, I know my comment is 'wishful thinking', however, yes... I greatly FEAR I might have a VERY GOOD assessment of knowing the type of consumer that can afford this car, and what they look for when it comes to buying a luxury car a little TOO well. Which is why I am SO VERY conserned for Tesla on their beta interior decision, and am seriously praying that either I am very wrong, or Tesla takes these critizems extremely serious, and makes a concerted effort to make the interior as nice as the exterior.
At a $100k, this cars needs to have the same quality design and confort as all other $100k cars on the market. Anyone who can afford a $100k car, can also afford the finer things in life, and will get what they want, even if it means they have to buy another ICE car for another three to five years, until someone else builds the perfect EV car.
TikiMan, I think I know what you mean. ;-) Personally, I decided that I believe Elon and his team have what it takes to pull this off. If the Model S fails, then Tesla fails, then Elon has a serious burden to carry for his future professional as well as private live (and I will loose some money and be left without a car). It can happen of course, but I think the odds are reasonable small.
Now look at it backwards: If the interior repels a majority of potential customers, the Model S will fail. But I assume that it won't fail, therefore I also assume that Tesla will get the interior to a point where -- at least -- it gets out of the way of potential customers. This doesn't have much to do with whether or not I personally like the particular interior, but I think it addresses your primary concern regarding the "tens of thousands of semi-wealthy people" that Tesla needs to buy the Model S in order to thrive.
I can't say we are in the category of people who can "barely afford" to buy a Model S but are going to get one anyway. Not sure how many people there actually are in that category, a few no doubt.
I can say we are considering spending almost three times as much on a Model S as either of us have ever spent on a car and that this will consume an enormous portion of both our cash and our monthly income.
It will be great if we fall in love with every detail of whatever the final interior design turns out to be, but we're not making this enormous leap because we think it has the coolest center console (or lack of one). Yes, we feel that if we're spending this much on a car it should be exactly what we personally think is perfect. No, we don't believe our feeling that way is likely to have a significant influential effect on how Tesla goes about making those design decisions.
Ultimately, we are buying this car for a whole bunch of reasons. We'll happily or grudgingly make our choices from the available tire, wheel, leather, and trim options, we'll adapt to the reality of the design of the center console and cup holders or their lack, and we'll drive it around showing it off, talking it up, and most likely defending what ever we end up with as the most perfect thing in the world regardless of how we might have done it differently.
In my mind all this is sort of like folks who are willing to spend twice as much on an Apple computer or phone (whether they can truly afford one or not). Of course you have to defend it as the best thing since sliced bread, otherwise you look stupid paying twice as much as I did for my HP notebook with the exact same hardware specs. Only in this case, instead of just getting a slightly different look and feel and a little sleeker chassis, we're spending more for a paradigm change in tech. Much easier to defend than a MacBook.
Matt and Larry - Sig #802
This car needs no defending. The tech + styling is more than enough to just stand next to it and grin, as your friends go all touchy feely over it.
Just a minor shame for us early adopters that TM will get it right in 1 or 2 years on the dash and leather.
Anyway, let's await the design studio, they might surpise us.
Matt and Larry, I like your take on the matter, and I think that what you say is true for quite a few reservation holders, myself included.
But is it enough to persuade 30,000 people to spend in excess of $100,000 USD to buy it, during tough economical times, so Tesla stays afloat for many years to come? That is the real question, IMHO.
Again, this car NEEDS to be even MORE than we expected (not less), in order to survive the critics and fickle public IMHO.
All TM needs do is sell enough to keep Tesla paying off its expenses while generating happy buyers and, therefore, good press and envious others. Then if Bluestar makes money, TSLA stock will be going up because other manufacturers will want to have Tesla sales to average out their own, so buyout offers will be suggested in other manufacturers' boardrooms - until and unless someone outdoes Tesla at its own game.
Maybe, however when it comes to the interior of the beta S at this point, most luxury car companies already have them beat by miles!
Tesla needs to beat ALL the luxury car companies in every aspect of this car by light-years, IMHO.
My statement only presumes buyers are happy with their S, Tesla doesn't bleed money making them, and others become enamored with the idea, creating demand for Bluestar. I don't assume Tesla has to take over the luxury market.
TM bills the model S as a premium sedan, not as a luxury sedan.