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Parking Proximity Sensors

I read some conjecture on a previous forum (but I couldn't find it since there's no search function) about whether the upcoming Model S cars would contain proximity sensors and whether the current ones were pre-wired for it. Apparently, the answer is no. Here's an excerpt of an email from ownership@teslamotors.com:

Parking sensors are not part of current Model S and are not being planned for the near future. However, we are evaluating the option for future models.

There are currently no provisions for parking sensors in Model S, so retrofitting would be quite involved, and would not be integrated with the other features of Model S. No warranties would be voided unless significant dissembly and modifications to parts is required to install an aftermarket parking sensor system. It is hard to recommend any options as none will integrate cleanly with Model S, but other owners on the forums have explored various solutions and some might be to your liking.

tork | 11. januar 2013

guess vouteb is out

DTsea | 11. januar 2013

Or we could just use, I don't know, mirrors?

Personally I hate parking sensors, all that confounded beeping. Same goes for lane departure warnings. I'm awake already!

Robert22 | 11. januar 2013

They've adapted this technology for forks. The beeping gets louder as the fork nears your mouth.

Kleist | 12. januar 2013

Every car has audible parking sensors build in - even the Model S - they are called bumpers. On youtube search for parking in Paris then you get an idea how they work.

vouteb | 12. januar 2013

@tork:

I am baaaaaack!

my favourite topic and gripe!

:)

brooklynrab | 12. januar 2013

Well, if that holds, that is a mistake by Tesla, and I suspect it also applies to blindspot detection. I can't understand why they would be this stubborn about a relatively easy addition to the car (at least for future builds of the MS), given all the comments on the forums about this issue. Face it, this is a big car.
You purists can dump on us advocates over these and other features as much as you like, but the fact is that if I'm paying 85-90K for a car, I want it to have comparable convenience and safety features to its competitors, because ownership surveys show that people want these features. I know I do. Once the reservation list runs through the true believers and the fan boys, Tesla is going to have to compete more heads up with BMW, Audi and Mercedes, and features like these, not to mention a darned coat hook inside the car, matter to people. Hopefully Tesla changes its mind before I get my build email, because I will regretfully but almost definitely cancel over this issue and what it represents.
Remember everyone, Musk said he wanted this car to be the best car in its class, period, not just the best EV car. That menas having the features people want and that have become widely available (BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THEM), in competitive vehicles.

jat | 12. januar 2013

@brooklynrab - if you have a reservation in place now, I am certain that nothing significant will change about the hardware before your order comes up, so you should plan on cancelling. They have to fix issues in what they already have and get cars out the door before they can start adding new features.

Elon also has a vision for what he thinks the car should be. For example, no handles above the doors and an open interior with no storage space. They made a tiny compromise with the chin cubby and will likely do a minimal Opportunity Console to appease those of us who want more storage (personally, I plan to get a CCI if it isn't too expensive). The car can't be all things to all people, so picking a vision and sticking with it seems a fine way to go.

stevenmaifert | 12. januar 2013

Why no parking sensors? Remember, Model S is designed and built in California, where parallel parking is a lost art. Not a priority.

dborn @nsw.au | 12. januar 2013

The best car in the world? Not if they persist with this kind of idiocy!

TeslaTap.com | 12. januar 2013

It's one of the most voted for features on the desired features list:
http://teslatap.com/questions/parking-assist-proximity-sensors/
(add your vote if you really want them).

If you want to look at aftermarket solutions, here's a page for some of the options available:
http://teslatap.com/modifications/parking-assist-proximity-sensors/

lph | 12. januar 2013

Robert22:
That is scary, next they will have collision avoidance so that the fork never reaches the mouth!

Captain_Kong | 12. januar 2013

dborn +1 notwithstanding am both a reservation and stock holder...

Captain_Kong | 12. januar 2013

To all reservation holders - if you feel strongly about wanting the parking sensors, just write to your Tesla sales person. Am sure if they get say a few thousand customer wish email they may change their mind.

Brian H | 13. januar 2013

dborn;
In a sh presentation(?) Elon qualified that claim thus: "in all the dimensions that matter". Performance, safety, etc. make the shortlist. Parking sensors, not so much.

jgreenhall;
use volkerize.com to search, or include site:www.teslamotors/forum/forums in the Search in any engine's query field.

olanmills | 15. januar 2013

Here's the thing though. Look at these beautiful Audis:

http://models.audiusa.com/s5-coupe

but then look at those ugly squares and circles and stuff cut into the front and rear fascias. I hate those things. Almost makes me hate the whole car.

jkirkebo | 16. januar 2013

Actually the two squared under the headlights are the headlight washer nozzles. They are required by law on xenon-equipped cars in Europe.

dborn @nsw.au | 16. januar 2013

@olanmills - look at these http://www.parkingdynamics.co.uk/. No holes and completely invisible. I would like them integrated with th the touchscreen. Can't be so hard can it? That company will do the integration if Tesla provides the info.

ralsagoff | 06. juli 2013

Yes, if Elon wnats this to be the best in class and not just in EV slass then he needs to give serious consideration to this. Most non-luxury cars have this safety feature these days!

Brian H | 06. juli 2013

He specified, "in all the dimensions that matter".

pebell | 07. juli 2013

I ordered my MS with parking sensors, it's a regular feature in the Design Studio on the Dutch Tesla site. It costs only €550 (requires the Tech Package though) and promises audio-and video support. I take it this feature is still not on offer in the US?

I can't imagine why. Perhaps because until now, it's still "vapourware", and no actual car has been fitted with it because no European cars been produced yet? If so, it should make it's appearance in the US design studio any day now, right?

Or can anyone think of a reason why Tesla would keep this feature restricted to European cars? Maybe because they want us to guinea pig it for y'all - if it works in the crammed alleys and parking lots of Amsterdam and Paris, it will works anywhere? :)

Oh and @BrianH. Sorry to single you out like this, but I really get so tired of fan boys using reasoning like "_I_ don't need this-or-that option, ergo, it's a useless feature and _no one_ should need it." Not everyone lives and drives in the same conditions and under the same circumstances. That's why there are "options". When I first ordered my MS november, the parking sensors option was not yet available. Forget for a minute that my wife hated me for getting such a huge car without this feature and that it brought her to within a hair of using her Veto Rights - I am a very experienced driver and can squeeze my BMW in spots that the majority of Americans wouldn't even recognize as a parking space, but even I was very relieved when this option became available.

So why do you (among others) always feel the need to chime in whenever someone indicates that they are missing a (for them, obviously crucial) feature, and try to make them feel like it's really _their_ problem because that option "obviously" doesn't matter.

henjakob | 07. juli 2013

Pebell, very vell said, and do not be sorry for pointing it out to the Tesla "extremists"

:-)

chrisdl | 07. juli 2013

+1 for @pebell!

Incredible how some people seem to know better what we want or what is important to us than we do ourselves. Luckily, most Tesla owners are smarter than the average troll around here (I hope, at least).

ralsagoff | 07. juli 2013

Kudos to you pebell! We all have our preferences and that is what options are all about. Is this a cult car or is this a stripped down luxury car?

Elon Musk still has a chance to keep his reputation intact if he is sincere about "best in class and not just best in EV class". All us can remember the DeLorean.

carlk | 07. juli 2013

Didn't you guys who are trying to explain away why Tesla could not add parking sensors forget Tesla has already designed and produce them?

stangel | 07. juli 2013

It's appalling what these forums devolve into. Clearly the car has omissions and constraints like any other engineering problem. Every additional feature is a trade-off in cost, weight, and design time. It's astonishingly unbelievable that a brand new American car company has secured a foot-hold in the market, and selling electric cars no less! I think it's great that owners and potential buyers are letting Tesla know what changes are a priority, but let them deliver features as they see fit; so far they've done something no one else could have done.

AmpedRealtor | 07. juli 2013

@ stangel, let's also add that pointing out the car's deficiencies is not a reason to be attacked or dismissed. The car definitely has its shortcomings, as others point out, and the more those shortcomings are pointed out the more likely Tesla is to address those shortcomings. I suspect those who are quick to try and squelch any criticisms of the vehicle - or even worse, to attack the credibility of those who voice their criticisms - are probably nothing more than insecure stockholders.

carlk | 07. juli 2013

@stangel As I said Tesla already has the design and is already producing them for European cars.

@AmpedRealtor I'm a stock holder too and I don't like people who bash Tesla for the purpose of beating the company or the stock. In this case I want Tesla to do things that will help them to sell more cars, including one to me.

LEvans | 07. juli 2013

@brooklynrab: I agree with you completely. I feel the same way about the AWD issue (or lack thereof). It is mind boggling how some fanboys are against features (that are useful or critical for others) being added to the Model S. It's as if the current incarnation of the model S is religion or some type of a god that is perfect in every way. You might be a perfect driver but one day your precious MS might be in the hands of a valet or significant other. Do you not want the car to make a sound before your precious MS hits something in a parking lot? Do you not want to hear something before your MS potentially runs over the family pet?

I agree with you about when they run through their waiting list and have to work to take away customers from Mercedes, Audi, and BMW. Features are going to matter to people. I for one will not get a Model S until it is offered with AWD.

brooklynrab | January 12, 2013

Well, if that holds, that is a mistake by Tesla, and I suspect it also applies to blindspot detection. I can't understand why they would be this stubborn about a relatively easy addition to the car (at least for future builds of the MS), given all the comments on the forums about this issue. Face it, this is a big car.
You purists can dump on us advocates over these and other features as much as you like, but the fact is that if I'm paying 85-90K for a car, I want it to have comparable convenience and safety features to its competitors, because ownership surveys show that people want these features. I know I do. Once the reservation list runs through the true believers and the fan boys, Tesla is going to have to compete more heads up with BMW, Audi and Mercedes, and features like these, not to mention a darned coat hook inside the car, matter to people. Hopefully Tesla changes its mind before I get my build email, because I will regretfully but almost definitely cancel over this issue and what it represents.
Remember everyone, Musk said he wanted this car to be the best car in its class, period, not just the best EV car. That menas having the features people want and that have become widely available (BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT THEM), in competitive vehicles.

AmpedRealtor | 07. juli 2013

@ carlk, I don't know about any of that. However, in my brief stint here and since ordering my Model S, I've seen more than my share of "fanboys" going way over the top in their zealous drive to weed out the "trolls". It's gotten to the point where I am questioning which is which.

In my humble opinion, I really don't care about someone's motivation for criticizing the vehicle or the company as long as the criticisms are valid. In fact, often criticisms from the outside are more objective because those who are critiquing don't have a horse in the race unlike an owner who has $80,000 or more invested in the vehicle that is being criticized. By implying that people who say negative things about Tesla or the Model S are somehow guilty of bashing and wanting to drive the stock down, we are really doing ourselves a disservice in the long run.

There are some people here (they know who they are) who are doing their best to squelch every criticism of the car out of an extreme paranoia that any criticism will cause the NYT to write a front page article and the stock to tank. Has anyone been following Edmund's Long Term Road Test of the Model S? Not the best, and honestly the problems they've had should embarrass Tesla.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40Edmunds_Test%20%23tesla&src=typd

They reported in the last day that their pano roof broke. Yes, it's a new and first of its kind car. Are these sorts of problems acceptable? Not at this price point. Is it appropriate to discuss these failures in public? Absolutely.

Brian H | 07. juli 2013

As some have pointed out, the use of the price standard to compare/demand equivalent features shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are buying. In a Merc or Audi, those are some of the price point drivers. In a Tesla, they are not. Driveability, safety, electric responsiveness and other unique aspects of the car are what you get, instead. At some point, yes, you will get both. But it will be an incremental process. As TM's production volume, resources, and design skills adjust and expand. But not before. It is notable that they have over-engineered the basic structure of the car. That kind of quality and future-proofing isn't cheap, and maintaining it when adding frills is no easy task, especially without huge pricing hits.

AmpedRealtor | 07. juli 2013

+1 @Brian H

The Model S is a fundamental re-thinking of automobile propulsion. I think it's fair to say that most of Tesla's dollars went into developing the electronics, battery technology, infrastructure planning and deployment, drivetrain and chassis, software, etc. When you are an ICE maker (ha pun) and your car's engine and drivetrain are based on what are essentially century old technologies, it's easier and cheaper to put your R&D dollars into offering luxury interior amenities, ergonomics and materials when you've got nowhere else to go.

In my opinion the Model S interior is close to a Volkswagen Passat or CC. Those are $25k-$35k MSRP. Others will surely disagree, but my point is that's not why I'm buying this car. The car lacks parking sensors, which is a shame, but I don't want to hold off on driving a revolutionary car simply because it doesn't have a luxury feature which I've never had before anyway.

Model S is an incredible first attempt and it's only getting better.

Mark E | 07. juli 2013

I suspect that the main reason why the sensors are not yet in the US options list, but are in the European ones is that they are still getting the production sorted - have they actually delivered any cars to Norway yet?

If this is the case, and they offer it to US cars then they run the risk of delaying a heap of orders as US owners tick an option that isn't ready to deliver yet. Once that is sorted I suspect that the option will appear to US cars as well.

Remember that any retrofit by Tesla will take a lot of effort compared to building on the production line - so giving US buyers the option to buy the option and take delivery before it was ready would also cost a Tesla quite a lot.

At least you guys have cars! Here in Australia we are being told 2014. :(

cfOH | 07. juli 2013

I wonder if people are posting on other brands' forums that they won't consider buying a new BMW/MB/Porsche/Audi until they have retracting handles or 17" touchscreens in the dash. Or maybe they're mocking the MS for its lack of prox sensors and paucity of buttons.

tobi_ger | 07. juli 2013

cfOH
Funny thing is, with all my previous cars I didn't *care* about any forums and dealt with what the car offered. But with the MS it's so inspiring, interesting and addicting even though I'll have to wait for GenIII. TM has struck both a nerve and into the heart of desires and visions, that's how I feel.

zheng94402 | 07. juli 2013

I believe that Tesla is planning on software based parking feature.

See Tesla CTO's talk: http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23242007/future-tesla-model-s-fea...

Brian H | 07. juli 2013

Not a video. Interview transcript/write-up.

HClark | 23. juli 2013

+2 (my wife and I)

I really would love a proximity warning much like BMW's. The Tesla is decently long and it's a big car for driving in urban areas. Especially in cities like Seattle where there are many older roads which are rather narrow. Parallel parking and many parking garages are just very difficult to navigate solo in the Tesla. The camera is super helpful but doesn't help much for the front. The BMW system lets you easily flick a switch and the proximity system is on, when your done you simply turn it off. I would love to see parking Proximity Sensor as a future options or ideally a future add-on. :D

Brian H | 23. juli 2013

Commercial driver's trick:

Align about a yard away from the car in front of your space, a few feet ahead. Back straight till front wheels align. Cut hard to the curb. Continue backing till your front wheels align with his rear. Cut back the other way hard, continue backing. Your nose will clear the front car's tail by a couple of inches (believe it or not). You will arrive in perfect position, no jockeying. Turn wheels into the curb if facing downhill.