Just tweeted out by Elon...
I feel even better about my purchase now. :-)
The high priestess of the evangelical church of ignorance pontificates again.
In some ways you have to admire Sarah Palin. She got her ass handed to her in the '08 election, and turned being a train wreck of bad ideas and a media whore into a lot of money. Kardashian without the looks or class.
@flux I wouldn't say without the looks, but certainly without any brains or class
I'm part Armenian and to say Kardashian as having class in comparison to Sarah Palin is a huge insult... But very accurate! ;)
Sarah Palin is the Snookie of the Republican Party and they need to cut her off, seriously.
I do not know here.....
Snookie RP (aka Palin) knows a lot about loosing and losers.
@lolachampcar she sure does, but generally any time she thinks there's a winner it means it is actually a loser and vice versa.
Just look at what she thought about Obama.
I get a headache trying to follow her reasoning so I've tended to stop listening to her. By your logic rochec, that would mean that Tesla is a winner.... Ok, I buy that :)
Rednecks never liked innovation plus the Model S makes no noise - so it can't be good:-)
You tend to like her, until she opens her mouth and utters something.
BYT I agree. She will say and do anything to try and remain relevant.
Hello pot. Meet kettle.
Go out to your backyard & see how Russia is doing.
The light is on but nobody home!!!
Remember what state she is from. Oil is very important to her.
Please.....i hate politics and will never vote again but lets just talk about cars...
@drp what does she have to do with politics??
To paraphrase what Elon said about Mitt's loser comment-- Subject correct-- Object wrong.
I hate talking politics too but the reality is that the propaganda machine is in full effect and can effect TSLA and yours and my pocketbooks when they utter absolute idiocy or maybe in her case, calculated rubbish... no no, I am giving her WAY too much credit.
I am soooo happy Tesla us in the green and therefore maybe closer to being unaffected by the previously politically rejected.
I'll bet that Sarah Palin does not perform nearly as well as a model S. I would still like to try her out.......
Green in the Green.... I do like the sound of that.
It's obvious that not a single original thought comes out of her head.
Must be nice to live so comfortably inside your own personal reality distortion field. So, with a loser calling Tesla a loser, does this turn her statement into a positive? :-)
Captain, in this case, the statement was dumb enough that she may have come up with it on her own...maybe Dan Quayle helped her out?
Palin quit her job as Governor to be a talking head for Fox. She went for the easy money so she wouldn't have to do a shred of thought-inducing real work.
So, lets see now what Palin considers winning. !. she went to 5 or 6 undergraduate colleges to obtain an undergraduate degree, 2. was a 1/2 Governor of Alaska, 3. lost Presidential race in landslide to Obama and Biden 0'8, 4. fired from Fox Noise, 5. and can still see Russia from Alaska......if that's considered winning I rather be a looser like Tesla.
Drill baby, drill! Not!
Hold on. The green investments by this and former administrations have been less than stellar. I recall huge photovoltaic initiatives going belly up, a minor one the other day as well. Those failures is a fact and the link between business and government is crony capitalism at its best. Like it or not. And the Fisker demise is not helping. Tesla got a loan so is grouped together with the same miserable failures. What differs is that the Tesla business model is sound, apparently has offset a new way of transportation - and above all, is keen to repay the loan, quickly. Another side to it all is that every car company in the US in one way or another is receiving subsidies and government supports thus the same kind of crony capitalist label fits well... if it is not a Government Motors company.
No need for hate comments. I can anticipate what will be coming, depending on what congregation you belong to. The interesting point for me to discuss is the principle of government role in private business. That deserves to be addressed seriously. But this forum is likely not the one to do that.
Besides - better under general and not the MS tab? I had to stand corrected with regard to the Stockman posting I did ;-)
The oil industry has a lot to lose if electric cars become popular, so now we have these republicans making idiot comments in an attempt to discredit EVs for their backers. A real fiscal conservative would support a carbon tax, but the coal and gas industry are blocking it. EV's can change the world. No more supporting of corrupt governments in the Middle East and no more hatred of the arabs toward the USA. And oh yeah, EVs are going to save the environment. Thank you to everyone at Tesla for your hard work. Keep kicking butt and be proud you have a very important job. Godspeed
The one thing I really can't stand is ignorance. She is the epitomy of it. Oh...and stupidity.
She exists because WE let her. Our government reflects us. I do not like it but admitting it is would be the first step to change.
Good idea. Take it somewhere else.
The government took risks on EV funding, as well as other green companies, when the private sector would not. Many of these companies failed (not without trying their best), which may make the government look stupid for funding these initiatives.
But Tesla most likely would never have built a car such as the Model S in such a fast timeline, if at all, without the assistance of the government. We, as Tesla supporters, should recognize this fact. And in the long run, there will be hundreds of thousands of EVs in the near future on the road because of the risks that the government took.
You have to kiss a few frogs to get a prince charming.
p.s....Palin is a moron. A hot MILF moron perhaps, but a moron.
Actually, WE the people did not "let" her. She couldn't even be elected dog catcher in Alaska now. She got elected Governer, quit half way through, (amid nothing but hypocrisy, incompetence and corruption), and has never been elected again to anything. Sarah Palin is the "brain-child" of the Tea Party (Koch Bros) and Fox News, especially Roger Ailes (who also has now fired her!), ultimately enabled by that slipperiest old snake, John McCain, who seemed to have gained some kind of perverse adolescent satisfaction in naming her as his VP candidate. WE, the people rejected her.
Yet she remains a useful tool as an rabble rouser/agitator for Big Oil, which is why she still shows up to spout this kind of idiocy, and gets paid for it.
Granted, there were WAY too many of us who voted for her, and who have supported her manifest ignorance and made her rich. Seems to me she was created to be a kind of "champion" of ignorance. Fearlessly, courageously, ignorant! Her celebrity is about letting people feel good about being ignorant and bigoted, because she has been so "successful;" it justifies them in their resentment against those "elites" who have education and sensibility, and are not therefore "real Americans." Good riddance! If not for Fox and their "conservative" backers (actually completely radical) Sara Palin would not "exist" in this way. Sarah is truly a "plastic person," made of pure "artifice." Caribou Barbie is quite apt. But personally, I have no idea why anyone finds her "hot," but then, I don't find Barbie dolls "hot."
Why shouldn't Americans and conservatives feel proud of Tesla Motors? American ingenuity and innovation at its finest! Made in America! Helping to free us from dependence on foreign oil. And as far as the Government loans, I won't hear this absolute hypocrisy from anyone who is unwilling to advocate just as fiercely against no-bid contracts, and tax payer subsidies for Halliburton, XE, Exon Mobile, BP or even Big Insurance and Big Pharma, that's where the greatest and most destructive level of "crony capitalism" is taking place, and its bi-partisan!
@risingsun, "A real fiscal conservative would support a carbon tax". No they wouldn't. Fiscal conservatives believe the federal government is spending too much money. Raising revenues through increased or new taxes would only make the situation worse since the politicians would now have more money to spend on unproductive activities. Fiscal conservatives believe that government spending drains the private economy of money which overall reduces economic health since the private sector is more economically productive than government spending.
@Hogfighter. Yes, I understand that the government has been playing Venture Capitalist through their DOE loan program (a program started under Bush, BTW). Nonetheless, there is a big difference when governments dole out money to industries versus private VCs. First, governments manage to never actually make money from these "investments", so they really are nothing more than corporate welfare. In the private world, a VC that didn't make a return, and actually lost some of the capital wouldn't be in business. In the government world, the only recourse by unwilling taxpayers is to vote the people who made the bad investments out of office. Hence the animosity of some people against the program.
Second, when governments dole out money, it is really hard not to see political quid pro quos, paybacks and crony capitalism at work. GM's unions got a nice bailout. Well connected Wall street banks got propped up. And politically connected alternative energy companies got DOE loans. The same thing might occur in the private VC world, but not unless it actually made financial sense.
In the specific case of Tesla you could make a very good point that the DOE loan AND tax rebates are money worth spending since it is nurturing an industry that will likely result in making the US substantially more energy efficient. But you could only come to that conclusion if you understood Tesla, and electric motor efficiencies, etc.
So, yes, Palin, needs to get a clue and understand the differences between Tesla and Solyndra. But at least I understand her animosity towards the DOE loan and tax rebates. Instead of hurling insults to the ignorant, it is often better to try to educate. They might even end up listening.
If you tune out the talking heads they can't piss you off, whatever they say.
Instead of hurling insults to the ignorant, it is often better to try to educate. They might even end up listening.
You're more optimistic than I am. In my experience such efforts are doomed to failure. I prefer to spend my time on things with a higher likelihood of success (which is close to what Elon said in a speech at Oxford, incidentally).
Read her post...
"Palin was commenting on Fisker Automotive in a Facebook post"
Actually all VC's go into deals knowing that a certain percentage well under 50% will never succeed. Based on the governments track record, if 2 companies failed (Solyndra and Fisker) but one was a success (Tesla Motors), then they are still wildly successful! The success of the few make up for the failures of the others. BUT, government isn't in it for the money like a VC so, there you go.
I'm worried about big oil and the lobbies trying to take down Tesla. They have so much to lose if EV's make it in the next 15 years. There is no reason why any of these other companies don't have a product like Tesla. They have been ignoring it and being supported by oil. There is a reason why my previous M3 had castrol written under the hood and why my previous 911 had mobil under the hood.
GM killed the EV back in the 90's and that car was leagues ahead of its time.
Catch up time now...unless big oil has anything to say about it.
Off topic, but still related to Palin and the Bush parties. We have made them rich.
My news for the daily is The Colbert Report and the Daily Show. You can't find those vid and sound clips on any "news" network.
It's too bad most people can't think for themselves. In my opinion most Tesla owners like to think outside the box and see the bigger picture, which is why it's fun discussing things such as these with the forums.
@BYT, unfortunately it isn't working like that. A private VC makes sure that they make a lot of money on the 1 out of 10 companies that makes it big. DOE was actually positioned that way with Tesla. They had a lot of in the money warrants that would become theirs if Tesla didn't pay back the loan within 5 years. But one month ago, Tesla and DOE renegotiated the loan and took away all those government owned warrants. Now if Tesla is successful and pays back the loan, the government will get a market interest rate on their loan. Nice, but it won't come close to making back the money lost on Solyndra, Fisker, and the others (there was another solar panel company if I remember correctly).
Incidentally, that warrant renegotiation is THE reason why Tesla will post a GAAP profit this quarter. They get to recapture the artificial accounting loss that those warrants "cost" them when they accepted the loan. The majority of stock "analysts" are missing this.
I believe Sarah meant to say Mitt Romney was the loser, then she would have been correct on multiple levels.
+1 EMDoc. If Tesla gets to Gen3, then its a huge problem for big oil IMO. Thats why certain pundits are attacking Tesla, there is so much at stake for so many. Typically big oil can just buy and bury the tech, but not in this case as Tesla's mission is broader than just making $$ selling cars and now there is someone (Elon) who has put his personal fortune at stake to make this happen. Gen3 is the real disruption. Hope we get there, it gets more likely with each milestone.
+1 x 4
As Bastiat explained long ago, bureaucrats would have to be almost numberless and prescient to achieve what direct market negotiations achieve routinely. And Smith's Invisible Hand ensures you will pay the real price, ultimately, regardless of government fiat. Financial chickens always come home to roost, because there is nowhere else to land.
Now it's Bill O'Reilly. Also Lou Dobbs.
We would all love to leave the political alone. But these people are making this less and less possible. Some of use have gotten negative reactions on the street already, and if the Fox News crowd keep bashing away on the "electric cars as socialist boondoggle" theme, it's only going to get worse.
Like it or not, buying an electric car is a political act. We'd better start acting like it. We have to counter this sludge by talking about the good stuff Tesla represents: entrepreneurship, innovation, jobs, jobs, jobs, reducing dependence on foreign oil.
We didn't choose this fight. But we will take it to them.
We are ambassadors for Tesla, and the EV revolution. We must be ready to discuss this subject knowledgably, because people out there are so misinformed.
Elon will get the last laugh when Bill O'Reilly is cooling around town in his Model S. Same with Palin.