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Torn on whether to add 72 AMP charger to my leased X

Torn on whether to add 72 AMP charger to my leased X

Initially my plan was to buy a 70D and add 72 amp charger option to help with adding some of the reduced range back quickly at any potential destination chargers I come across. This would alleviate my anxiety a bit for having slightly lesser range to start with if the road took me off supercharger routes here in the South.
Upon configuring yesterday I finally caved and opted to go with the 90D, plus lease the car for 36 months. This reduces payments, increases range and I don't risk getting "stuck" with dated technology when new hardware is added in the next several years.
Now I'm wondering if the 72 amp charger is necessary given the slight boost in range of the 90?
Anyone out there have any insight on why I should include 72 amp charger given I will likely return the vehicle in 3 years for a newer potentially higher capacity one?

dortor | 06. januar 2016

Even if it's a leased X it's your time it will save when you need to charge at a high amp charger.

Also the 72 amp charger will fill a 90 faster than a 48...

socalsam | 06. januar 2016

Only if the juice coming in is high enough amps. I chose to save the $1000 and do the regular 48 amp charger. 30 miles of charging per hour is plenty fast for me

bobby | 06. januar 2016

The difference in payments on a lease for a $100,000 car vs. payments for a $101,000 car are miniscule. So why NOT just get the charger upgrade? Honestly, the diff will be maybe $5-10/month. (Just a guess; didn't want to take the time to work the actual numbers, but I'm not gonna be too far off...)

socalsam | 06. januar 2016

You could also flush $5-$10 a month down the toilet.

With that logic, its "just" a few bucks a month, its not a very savvy way to get ahead financially.

Im not financing or leasing the car and Id prefer not to pay for items that don't make any sense.

Claudedohrn | 06. januar 2016

@socalsam, right you are! @bobby, I decided that I wanted the 72A, but it is a slippery slope to start thinking in terms of what the lease payment difference will be. It's a bit like the scam life insurance sold on TV for pennies a day :))

aesculus | 06. januar 2016

And if you think the $1000 for 72amps is wasteful, what about the P option, not to hijack the thread. I can see nothing in that one other than getting your car 2 months earlier.

Basically it boils down to how fast do you think you will ever need to charge when away from a SC. If you can never (not often) come up with scenarios then don't get it. If you do just add enough of them up until you feel the $1000 in your time is worth it. There are plenty of examples, but they are not suitable for all. In fact the 90 kw battery is the same if most or all of your travel is commuting. How often would you ever travel more than 200 miles in an EV a day?

aesculus | 06. januar 2016

BTW I currently have a P on order, but I cannot justify it.

PJJAVA | 06. januar 2016

Thanks guys! I believe the difference was something like $14 a month which I totally see @bobby's point. However, I think I'll pass on it after reading your comments and thinking about the frequency of the need to charge at the faster rate. I imagine most destination stops I would have would probably be lodging where I plan on staying at least 1 night. Thanks again!

socalsam | 06. januar 2016

P option is something you can take advantage of every single time you get In the car. 72 amp/ maybe once a year??

aesculus | 06. januar 2016

@socalsam: P option is something you can take advantage of every single time you get In the car. 72 amp/ maybe once a year??

This is not meant to be a slam to you or anyone who has a P on order. Just my assessment of my situation.

Sure I can punch the go pedal and feel the car accelerate but 1 second better on the 0-60 is going to do what? Get me to my destination sooner? Save electricity? Improve reliability? If it was not there I would not even notice. I am not about to go out and seek regular 90D's to drag race.

Lets be honest. It's a frivolous option that sells to the toy buyer in all of us. :-)

All things being equal if there was the same car ready with and without P for me to chose from I would probably just go regular. But I have an increased need for getting the car sooner now than I did and the money is not that critical that I HAVE to wait.

Claudedohrn | 06. januar 2016

@aesculus, after adjusting for higher resale value and the options I would have chosen that are now standard, I figure that ordering a P was a ~$10k tax for impatience. It's not the dumbest tax I've ever paid.

dortor | 06. januar 2016

by the logic of "need" vs. "want" - none of us should have a Model S or Model X - both cars are way way way too much money for point a to point b transportation...

Claudedohrn | 06. januar 2016

Btw, I should have specified that the impatience is for the car being delivered, not the time it takes to get to 60 mph.

BobN @US-CA-SoCal | 06. januar 2016

Um, getting back to the OP's question, in two years with my Model S, I've only used my dual chargers (80 amp) twice. Both times at a Tesla Service Center (San Diego/Mira Mesa) where there was no Supercharger on my route. Since then, ample Superchargers have opened on this route (San Juan Capistrano, Fountain Valley, San Diego/Sorrento Valley) eliminating this need. Otherwise, overnight hotel charging and supercharging have met all my road trip needs. For home charging, the option of putting a 100 amp circuit into my home garage, while doable, was $ thousands more than extending an existing 50 amp circuit to where I needed it, so I chose to not incur that large initial expense. Unless you can imagine a relatively frequent need for rapid home recharging or your travels take you into areas not well served by Superchargers, I think the need for high amp charging has been overtaken by more-or-less ubiquitous supercharging and Tesla's aggressive approach putting Tesla chargers into good hotels.

That said, I am a sort of belt-and-suspenders type, so we have ordered the high amp charging option for our Model X. :-)

bobby | 06. januar 2016

@socalsam, et al: I would argue that if you are in the market for a $100K+ SUV, then you are already financially successful.

socalsam | 06. januar 2016

Not sure about that Bobby. Lots of people leverage themselves unnecessarily and put their cars and other luxury items before their needs of retirements savings etc.

I generally agree with you that a few bucks here and there for most people is not the end of the world and the $14 a month is not going to break the OP by adding the 72 amp charger.

Im just saying that each penny adds up and people make the mistake of saying its only a few more dollars a month and before you know it, you have 50-60 things you are doing that are just a few more dollars a month that all add up to a significant amount.

the 72 amp charger is for the vast majority of people a complete waste of money.

vjlvjl | 06. januar 2016

I opted for NOT ordering the 72A charger. Why? Not usable at home, or superchargers. Since I'm in CA, most of the places I'll drive to would have SC, or, I'll be using a destination charger which are mostly 50A or under. My personal belief is that CHAdeMO adapter is better a option for me than the onboard 72A charger.

aesculus | 06. januar 2016

the 72 amp charger is for the vast majority of people a complete waste of money.

I would agree. So probably the 90 battery too. If most of your use is around town you can save a lot of money by eliminating these two options. Unfortunately for some Tesla has bundled some other options that would allow them to 'refine' their purchase better in order to save cost.

socalsam | 06. januar 2016

I won't disagree that a 70watt battery would suffice for most. But the increased range and acceleration can make the case for one upgrading to the 90.

Tâm | 06. januar 2016

@socalsam

According to Department of Transportation:

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/2010cpr/execsum.cfm

Average Commute Distance is 12.6 miles (one way.)

So would it be a waste for most cars that are currently on the road actually have a range of about 500 miles?

The same is true that vast majority do not need extended warranty, but is it a waste to buy it? It's now been 3 years and some people are now crying foul because as they drove more 50,000 miles, something's broken and they have to pay out of their pocket because they didn't buy the extended warranty.

Some people complained that Air Suspension is a waste until they have to fix their bumpers' damage.

The bottom line is: if you can afford faster charging rate, get it even if you think you will never need it!

If you cannot afford it then fine, don't get it.

socalsam | 06. januar 2016

Tam- I can afford the $1000 but I choose not to waste it. I guess because Im prudent with my money is probably why I can afford it? :)

It seems that there are two camps of people buying an X.

The first camp- this is the most expensive, nicest car and a splurge for them- they want to get the car fully loaded, don't care about the cost as its an experience and lets not let $1000 ruin that experience.

The second camp- been there done that. Have spent money on plenty of cars and while the X is great and they are excited, they know that useless features are the same as flushing money down the toilet.

Nothing wrong with either approach but I just don't see spending money on something I personally don't ever see using. I would argue that 98% of the users will not find the value in the faster charging. In the time Ive owned my S, I don't think there has ever been a time where I said- damn- I wish I was charging faster.

Actually let me rephrase that- I spend over a year charging on a 110 plug at 4 miles per hour so yes- plenty of times I wish I would have charged faster but anything more than 20-25 miles I just haven't seen the use for.

If the one time you need that faster charging and a higher amp charging station is available, then by all means, spend the $1000. To me I just don't see the need for it.

wkquarles | 06. januar 2016

I ordered the 72 amp. charger, am still in the 7 day wait period and now reconsidering. If it doesn't help with a Tesla SuperCharger where would it be of benefit? Examples will be appreciated.

AlMc | 06. januar 2016

If you never destination charge then I get that the 72amp charger is a luxury that is probably not needed. However, I do destination charge and as more TM vehicles come online it will increase the need for the 72 vs the 48 when one travels away from the SC network.
So....first world problem/decision: Yes. Will I Get it: Absolutely

paradis | 06. januar 2016

@wkquarles - The 2 main examples where the 72A charger is beneficial are a HPWC (Tesla High Powered Wall Charger) at home or a HPWC destination charger at a hotel or restaurant. Both of those have the potential to charge at 72A instead of the standard 48A. For me, the most important is Destination Charging where a Supercharger is not nearby.

@socalsam - Taking 8 hours to charge at a destination charger where there is only 1 available, prevents anyone else from charging over night. With the 72A chargers 2 people can charge overnight. It could mean the difference of someone not being able to continue on their trip until the charger is available. It also means you can get 50% more charge while eating dinner.

I agree that it is not a necessity for everyone, but for many of us it is important.

mjmjh | 06. januar 2016

I have one of the first S P85s. I have the single 40 amp charger in the S. Just confirmed my order for an X 90D with the 72 amp option. I have taken my family on several road trips in the S the longest for a 2 week vaca to FL from NJ. While in FL we stayed in the Boca area where there was not a nearby supercharger at the time but a Tesla store with high powered wall connectors. Since this was my best charging option, I made several visits to the store (mall) to charge. It would have been a big plus to have had a faster charge rate in this circumstance. When you are away from home the higher amp charger gives you more flexibility. If you don't plan on taking road trips, save your money. However, that would be ashame since the Teslas are awesome road trip cars.

drshariff | 06. januar 2016

@ wkquarles .In this link you will see a video posted on you tube, you can see three different amp destination charging. Even if you have a 72amp upgrade the charging station should deliver the Juice:If the charging station delivers the Juice i.e 80 amp you charge fast and don't have to wait for a hour as seen in this video. Tesla super charges do not differentiate between 42 amp or 72 amp. Hope it helps.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/15185-Tesla-Owners-in-Albe...

wkquarles | 06. januar 2016

Thanks All. I'm Sold.

Red Sage ca us | 06. januar 2016

socalsam: Wow. I didn't realize you were on the 120v charging scheme for so long. I thought you just bit the bullet for 4-to-6 months before moving into your new house!

socalsam | 07. januar 2016

Red- it was brutal. But we survived.

Jolinar | 07. januar 2016

@PJJAVA
It really depends on your usage pattern for the car. I'm using DualCharger on Model S basicly on every trip so I would totally add 72 amp in the X as well. But if you don't travel much or has a lot of SuperChargers anywhere you travel, then you may save few bucks.

PJJAVA | 07. januar 2016

Thanks Jolinar! This is such a wonderful community with so many helpful and insightful information. No wonder why we know more than the SC folks when we try to ask them a question.

Big T | 11. januar 2016

I already have a 100 amp HPWC at home. 72 amp charger is a no brainer for me. Faster charging make it easier to share one HPWC between 2 cars.