It's been difficult to find bad reviews on the Model S, but here is an opinion page article that (in my humble view) unfairly mocks the car. "Jim Hillibish: The wealthy have the Tesla Model S thanks to U.S. taxpayers."http://www.leavenworthtimes.com/opinions/ghs_columnists/x1333907688/Jim-...
There's a number of these "government minimalists" that have written unfavorable "reviews" of the Model S (none of them have driven it, of course). They see it as a product of government waste. It's not an informed opinion of the actual car, so it's best to ignore and not give them pageviews.
It's a very poorly researched article. I don't even need to point out the many errors. We know the production rate and that it's not a hand built car. Maybe he is talking about the Roadster but that's not part of the government loan. I think he is just lost and confused.
Looks like he's posting it everywhere that will let him.
More noise from the "tea-baggers". I like the idea of the thread, but let's save it for ACTUAL reviews.
Here's my favorite line from the article though, "Subsidies always create an artificial market."....and yet no mention of the $4 billion+ ANNUAL subsidies to oil companies making record profits. Typical "conservative" drivel.
Don't forget there will be people on these forums that want to see Tesla fail too. They will sign up under the guise of being an enthusiast just so they can introduce skepticism/criticism.
Daniel what is the point of announcing that it is hard to find bad news but "you" somehow miraculously found some bad report about Tesla. What is the point of you posting that link?
No one on this board is going to search down to the Leavenworth times to get the ground truth on the Model S. I am comfortable with the major news outlets reporting from journalists that have actually driven or rode in the car as I have done.
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Maestro, what are you trying to say?
There will always be purveyors of FUD (fear-uncertainty-doubt). Some are sincere and open to debate. Some are misinformed by faux news outlets. Some are paid to promote disinformation. It becomes clear when you try to engage them in discussion. To paraphrase Ghandi, "First they ingnore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, THEN YOU WIN". The "fight you" phase will ramp up as Tesla builds momentum. IMHO you need not waste your time arguing with the village idiots or paid detractors-- life's just too short.
Let me paint a different picture.... as what some of you would call a "right wing" republican - almost Libertarian, I am a reservation holder of a Signature Model S and put my deposit down 2+ years ago.
Why? Not so much to save a tree, not so much to clean the air, but more so to keep my money here in the USA, not sent off to Mexico, Venezuela and the Arab states.
You liberals like to label all who don't share the "Nanny State" ideals as nut jobs or tea baggers ... very classy.
You miss the point: We, in general, don't want the government telling us what we have to buy or invest in. Plain and simple. I looked at Tesla, researched, and decided it was the most viable of all (long before the DOE loan).
So, while I appreciate how hard it is for you to switch the channel from MSNBC, maybe you should have a listen to those who want the COUNTRY to succeed rather than have the government decide who in the country will succeed.
Help! I can see this thread getting ready to go off the rails.
It is surely true that those of us who are reservation holders have different motivations. That's not a problem - my reasons for putting down $40K years ago might not be the same as others.
HOWEVER, this is not a forum about politics, and it's not the place to debate political philosophies.
Regardless of political ideology, I think we can all agree that any "review" of the Model S from a blogger or whoever that have never even driven it isn't worth the electricity they used to transmit the words to your computer.
My post was meant to be non-political. I agree we can accept or dismiss negative press on it's own merits (or lack of)
Maestrokneer! Why does it have to be a teabagger? I am a conservative bordering on tea party fan and I absolutely love this car, which is why I reserved one. Can't you simply agree or disagree based on facts and merit? Let's stop the hate.
Any perception of Republicans as "Nut Jobs" and "tea baggers" has been introduced by the Republican power structure itself. Fox news spends twenty-four seven lying about the left. At one time I was proud to be a conservative. No longer. I simply want the rule of law and common sense. Something sorely lacking on the right these days. Good luck with your S. I sincerely hope you enjoy it. The reason I am buying mine is simply to tell Chevron to go to hell. The more I learn about the crimes of American business and the military industrial complex the farther left I drift.
Allow me to set the record straight on my intent on this thread: First, I am reservation holder and my order is in--I am not operating under a guise. I think this is a fantastic car, period. Second: I was NOT in any way trying to make a political statement. I do NOT agree with the article. I simply thought other Model S owners might have an interest in how misinformed some folks are about the car. I agree with HaroldS, this thread is not a venue to debate political affiliations. Apologies for any ruffled feathers.
In the words of Rodney King (may he rest in peace), can't we all try to get along. Right, left, or center, one thing in common we all have as reservation holders is a love for this car and all it represents.
And as to how DanielR came across this BS blogger's uneducated opinion - if it's the same way I came across it, he probably has "Tesla Model S" as a category on his Google News feature (and if he's really like me) checks it every day. Story just came up, Google News had it shown reposted to at least two different websites. I had read (and dismissed) it before I saw it here.
If the guys name is Jim Hillbilly then I don't it surprises me that his review is not favorable to Model S.
My comment went here:http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/antitesla-motors-articles
("Private" thread, i.e., only visible to reservation holders and owners.)
Dang distractions. "it doesn't surprise" or "I don't get surprised".
I very rarely comment on the forum, but felt I had to on this one. I currently am not a reservation holder and haven't even driven one yet, but plan on owning/driving one in the near future. I love the Model S; the way it looks; the fact it's not an ICE and like others before me said: "So I can thumb my nose at the gas companies."
We have a two part plan: 1. Install a PV system on our house to cover the cost of recharging the vehicle(s), and 2. Buy a Model S and/or Model X.
Part 1. is complete as of July 26th, 2010. A 7KW system that so far this year we turned our meter backwards so that for the last 6 months we haven't had a bill. So much for solar power doesn't work. The nay-sayers will always be around. They have their own agenda and want to see people or companies fail to support their mindset. (We still want to add another 3KW to be even more efficient.)
Part 2. is a work in progress. We're getting our financing straightened out to be able to buy a Model S out right.
All political reasoning aside, Tesla is showing the roadmap to the future for all companies. The "bad press" comes from people who don't do the research or rely on the words they hear other's spew that aren't in the know either. They fail to see that the monies given to Tesla were loans, not grants. The money is already being paid back to the US agencies that made them. The only way to default on the loans is for Tesla to fail; a self-fullfilling prophecy for the nay-sayers and big oil.
We who believe in companies like Tesla aren't going to let that happen, because the groundswell of support for the Roadsters, Model S, and future cars will see to it that the nay sayers will have to "eat crow". As an American car company, I believe Tesla has a bright future ahead, especially when you think about where battery technology is headed. The range anxiety people currently have will be assuaged and Tesla will be the leader until other companies finally jump on the band wagon and deliver too.
Thanks for listening/reading,
I saw this review but did not post it. I did not want to give him the web traffic. By posting such nonsense we are in effect supporting him. The media want traffic be it because you love the writer or loath them.
Traffic = $
There will always be misguided authors that want to keep the status quo. The one thing I immediately focused on was that instead of having a photo of the CAR, the author had a larger than life photo of himself. Figures.
The best way to combat these folks is to deliver lots and lots of fine Model S vehicles to satisfied customers. I guarantee you that in several years when gas prices hit $8.00 a gallon, the author will be trading in his guzzler for some sort of hybrid.
There are bound to be bad reviews like everything else. At least this one didn't do any research so easier to write off.
Elon Musk himself has said that he thinks government subsidies and loans are a bad idea, but since they were already there and offered for those who qualified, it would have been a missed opportunity for tesla not to get a low interest loan. He also said that the Daimler deal was much more important for saving the company than the DOE loans.
I don't have much new to say except that I wish this guy's blog had a comments section so that the blatant flaws in his entry could be pointed out. The first thing I'd write is that the money Tesla received from the government was a loan which they are going to repay. So it's not helping to cover the cost of each car, it's helping them ramp up production and become profitable.
Oh well, like someone said, it's the Leavenworth Times... no one will trust this guy's judgement over Motor Trend or Car and Driver, etc...
It's interesting that this bozo's article has appeared in a bunch of small-town papers, but hasn't been picked up by any important cities.
@RobInMtl, this is exactly the reason why he doesn't allow for comment. Don't want people to have the option to come in and give their facts and opinion on your propaganda piece and therefor undermine it!
This is why Bibles and reading was forbidden in the Dark Ages, so the clergy could make all the rules and manipulate them under the umbrella of religion. Ignore Mr. Oz behind the curtain children, nothing to see here.
Like I read elsewhere and I agree with, I didn't even click the links as I don't want to give these baseless in fact, negative propaganda and motive based sites any traffic and who wants to numb the braincells we have with listening to the ignorant, financially driven and/or stubborn? I sure don't!
@RobInMtl | AUGUST 28, 2012: I don't have much new to say except that I wish this guy's blog had a comments section so that the blatant flaws in his entry could be pointed out.
The CantonRep link has a comment section:http://www.cantonrep.com/newsnow/x1333906737/Jim-Hillibish-Thanks-to-us-...
I think allot of people have set him straight there, although another comment can't hurt.
The CantonRep link has a comment section. I think a lot of people have set him straight there, although another comment can't hurt. (Alex K)
I was shocked how much positive feedback he received in those comments!
Sorry for my role in escalating any "political" discussion in this thread. There are certainly more appropriate forums for that. I think this bozo's article struck me on a particularly grumpy night. I've just heard the conservative double-standard on subsidies one too many times, and it wears thin. So I had a knee-jerk name-calling reaction. (though really, if you actually watch Fox News you shouldn't blush as something as mundane as "tea-baggers")
I can respect Libertarians, at least you're consistent. But the Tea Party is built on such contradictions that it takes an Orwellian leap in double-think to stay sane with that world-view.
But I digress. This is a car forum. And I think one thing that ALL political leanings can agree is that the Model S is bringing manufacturing jobs back to America (my Bay Area home as a matter of fact) AND is weaning our dependence on foreign oil.
What's not to love? In fact, perhaps the Model S is our great political hope! A rallying point for all ideologies left and right. Maybe a successful Tesla Motors will renew our faith in government and create a model of American oil independence and green innovation!
(Well...a guy can dream at least right?)
Maestro, you still are unclear.. Are you upset that the republicans put in place the $7500 tax credit.? Do you have any specifics or is it you just like to vent? By the way the fellow that wrote this retarded article does not like the tea party either.