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To melt away the Arctic ice, it will take a lot more than 274 deg. K!

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

See the 2019 summertime temperatures north of 80 deg. North latitude? Same as the 1958-2002 mean!

sabbia | 12. september 2019

@Andy. I'm afraid it's worse than typing nonsense. Hadron is posting racist garbage from the New Century Foundation. The very same group that hosts David Duke and also teeters on anti-Semitism.

How very telling that Hadron says that his birther slander is not racist and then he posts racist garbage as proof that some races (blacks) are inherently more violent. He didn't fool me with his original post nor in his false rationalization. Racist garbage that purports to show some genetic links of skin color to crime. For anyone who needs help with Rubenstein's junk, economic factors such as poverty and victimization because of racism are not covered.

And we thought that Charles Murray and "The Bell Curve" was finally put to bed.

It's all there for all to see. The New Century Foundation is the publisher of hate newsletter "American Renaissance" and that is the "go to" for Hadron. He was better off when he denied his intent...then his animus got the best of him and he displays that at core, it's really just racism.

It's clear that Hadron quotes white supremacist screeds while denying any ill intent. Hadron: Please note that racism is as racism does.

MitchP85D | 12. september 2019

If the data is accurate, does that make HadCol a racist? You sanctimonious socialists love to throw that slur around on those you have a political disagreement with. Perhaps if the crime-race data was accurate, you would consider somebody a racist just for revealing the data!

MitchP85D | 12. september 2019

Back to climate -

John Stossel will moderate a climate change debate in Times Square on September 23rd.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/12/heartland-institute-to-host-times...

RedShift | 13. september 2019

Linking to a right wing hate group isn’t racist at all.

SCCRENDO | 13. september 2019

Hadron is not accurate in anything including the fact that he knows nothing about the Hadron Collider. I think calling a white supremacist racist is only racist against the white supremacist race.

sabbia | 13. september 2019

Correlation is not causation. Hadron's so-called statistical data is a perfect example of the Bell Curve fallacious reasoning similar to that of Wilhelm Schallmayer and Alfred Ploetz in Germany in the 1930s. People such as Samuel Morton took certain measurements of skull sizes and called their work "Scientific Racism." Craniometry was the resulting "science." Hey, there's even "science" that Jewish males menstruate. See John Efron of Indiana University.

This kind of thinking can be scary since it lead some to believe that the Chilean race is the most advanced. Of course the height of this putrid racism evidenced by Hadron became manifest by the Nazis.

And now we have R Mitchell raising his hand to join the racist crowd. "If the data is accurate, does that make HadCol a racist" he innocently asks. Cogitate on that for a while..."if the data is accurate." Which data? Skull size, shape of nose, epicanthal folds, widow's peaks? It won't take much for Mitch to go all in on eugenics.

Don't like those and prefer crime data? How about ratios of black men killed by white cops? How about prison terms of black marijuana offenders compared to white offenders?

So back to correlation and causation. You just got to ask what is the connection between climate change denial on these threads and racism? Is eugenics alive and well among the climate denier class?

andy.connor.e | 13. september 2019

Basically what we have in here, is Mitch and HADRON post facts and truth. What they post is not wrong, but its not the whole truth. Statistical analysis can take any TRUE data and twist it into a manufactured conclusion. Its not the data that is wrong, its the conclusion. You can draw any "truth" conclusion from a set of data because its nearly impossible to be wrong. Only a shallow thinker accepts these kinds of conclusions.

Anyone possessing intelligence can see that what is being shared here is NOT the whole truth. Its a manipulated conclusion from a set of data to align with the opinion and agenda of those who preach it.

MitchP85D | 13. september 2019

Well, there is all kinds of spin one can make about anybody and anything. silly sabby conflates and makes false assumptions about those she has a political disagreement with - kinda like what all liberals do.

Here is some spin I'm sure you liberals never think about. The liberal-socialist-progressive welfare state has targeted African-Americans and destroyed their families. They substituted the state for the father. This has been an absolute disaster for the African American community. And this is why the crime rate is so high in their community. I don't blame black folks for this. I blame the white liberal-progressive social engineers for this!

All of this had its genesis in the early 20th century "progressive" era. democrats moved African Americans from the Cotton Plantation to the Welfare Plantation. They did this to keep blacks from competing against whites for jobs. Then, when the white social engineers succeeded in substituting the state for the father, then the social justice warriors of that day pushed for the abortion of black babies.

Now, who are the real racists here? I can spin too, just like you liberals. However, my spin stands on much firmer ground! All you have to do, is look at history. Just like climate data. No wonder you liberal-progressive socialist warriors want to alter, or erase it all!

andy.connor.e | 13. september 2019

"Here is some spin I'm sure you liberals never think about. The liberal-socialist-progressive welfare state has targeted African-Americans and destroyed their families. They substituted the state for the father. This has been an absolute disaster for the African American community. And this is why the crime rate is so high in their community. I don't blame black folks for this. I blame the white liberal-progressive social engineers for this!"

It doesnt help that social programs are the career opportunity for some. I literally have lived with people where they refused raises and other positions that paid more because they would lose their benefits like housing assistance, food stamps and the such. Thats the mentality we have in this country.

rxlawdude | 13. september 2019

For a supposedly scientific person, Mitch doesn't know that "data" is plural for a single datum.
SMH.

SCCRENDO | 13. september 2019

So welfare Mitch thinks it is was not a good idea to abolish slavery. It kept black families together.

HADRON COLLIDER | 13. september 2019

@MitchP85D: The cognitive dissonance is STRONG here, Young Skywalker!

HADRON COLLIDER | 13. september 2019

@andy.connor.e" "See how i can make someone look really dumb in 1 sentence that i created?"

You do THAT to yourself with almost every post you've made here.

SMH.

RedShift | 13. september 2019

Hadron, great comeback. Best comeback of the year.

NKYTA | 13. september 2019

not

MitchP85D | 13. september 2019

Hey hellasmarter dude, this data, these data. Unless you are a goofy, dumbass democrat, who gives a crap!

MitchP85D | 13. september 2019

Hey SCCRENDODO, the American Civil War was the world's biggest shit-fight between Republicans and Democrats. When the Republicans won (my side), it was you Democrats who moved African-Americans from the Cotton Plantation to the Welfare Plantation. After that was accomplished, you Democrats succeeded in destroying the African American family by substituting the state for the father. The outcome of this maneuver was intended. Then, Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, heroine of you democrats, led a movement to abort black babies.

“We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”
Margaret Sanger
1939

So, silly sabby, what was all that goofy yakin' of yours about eugenics?

MitchP85D | 14. september 2019

Back to Arctic data. Sorry. Whenever I get accused of supporting eugenics, all I have to do is throw some history back at the accuser. I know its unpleasant. Same goes for climate. When I get called a "denier," all I have to do is dig into to some climate history and show it.

13 SEP 2019 - 4,285,000 km^2. The Arctic ice has dipped down some. This is the current minimum for 2019. It is worthwhile to compare this to some recent history.

13 SEP 2012 - 3,435,000 km^2

Right now, the Arctic sea ice extent is running 850,000 km^2 ahead of the 2012 minimum. I remember the 2012 season when I worked in Alaska during the summer. The Arctic ice was shattered by Arctic storms and scattered out all over the place in bits and pieces. A lot of that ice did not get counted because the bits and pieces that were scattered across the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas were in areas that were less than 15% ice coverage. And that is how the NSIDC measures sea ice extent. Any area that has 15% ice coverage or more is what gets counted.

It appears that the Arctic ice has consolidated some since that memorable 2012 season. Thus the area coverage has been significantly higher in each September since 2012.

HADRON COLLIDER | 14. september 2019

@MitchP85D: You truly have steel in your spine--and titanium 'nads--for your ability to hang in with the logic-deniers here. Whew! My hat's off to you!

For my part, all I do when I've had enough of their group insanity is to poke a stick into their eyes from time to time.

But you! You are the true warrior, outnumbered, yes, but IMO, equal to the task!

Gotta go; I hear some ice melting.

In my adult beverage cooler.

RedShift | 14. september 2019

I’m just imagining Mitch’s ‘nads now. If they are made of Titanium, I wonder what the other parts are made of.

I’ve often imagined there’s cement where normally gray cells exist, but I will have to recalibrate now.

RedShift | 14. september 2019

It’s nice you poke a stick, HadCol. Do you take it out of your backside to do so? :-)

Just kidding pal. You are doing great. Keep going.

HADRON COLLIDER | 14. september 2019

LOL, RedShift. Touché!

Great that you have a sense of humor.

Be well.

SCCRENDO | 15. september 2019

@Hadron. You still haven’t defined what kind of quark you are. I think you are a strange quark with more than the usual 1/2 spin. What color are you. If you are red do you have anything against green quarks and are you prepared to combine with anti green. I think we have defined your flavor.

MitchP85D | 15. september 2019

It really doesn't take "nads" to look up history and share it. The record is there. Just do a little research. I've noticed that some who don't like the historical record will either ignore it, or alter it!

TabascoGuy | 15. september 2019

...or misinterpret it, or cherry pick it!

MitchP85D | 15. september 2019

Just look at the Civil War monuments of today. The democrats were the ones who memorialized their Confederate war heroes. Now, they are embarrassed by their history. So, they are trying to erase it!

SCCRENDO | 15. september 2019

Hey dickhead. It’s not that the Democratic Party of the past is our family. People did a lot of shitty things in the past. At least we learn from our mistakes. You hold onto your “facts” no matter how stupid, incorrect or ridiculous they are. You just need to get out of your little shithole and see what is truly happening in the world. It would also help if you got educated and learned a few things.

MitchP85D | 15. september 2019

Hey Tabasco, are you yakin' about this type of cherry picking and misinterpretation?

https://en.prothomalo.com/environment/news/201004/Brazil-farmers-defores...

This makes today's news about the burning Amazon Forest look hysterical.

MitchP85D | 15. september 2019

Wrong SCCRENDODO. You democrats have always had a sense of "superiority" about yourselves. That was the case back then as it is now.

dmm1240 | 15. september 2019

Good lord, Mitch. Are you truly that ignorant about politics? Over simplified for you, the Democratic and Republican parties have switched poles ideologically since those confederate monuments were put up.

The first real progressive movement in this country came in the early 1900s at the instigation of President Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican. The Republican Party had long been the home of the capitalist class until Roosevelt; Republicans also championed farmers along with small business AND big business. Teddy pushed for and established the national parks to protect our nation's beauty and heritage, he pushed for and got passed the first labor laws to protect workers from marauding robber baron capitalists. Teddy's revolution didn't last long and by the 1920s the old guard had reasserted control of the party sending Coolidge, Harding and Hoover to Washington as POTUSes.

On the flip side of the coin, the Democratic Party became the refuge of racists after the Civil War. They wanted nothing to do with the party of Lincoln. Those monuments were indeed put up by local Democrats, most in the first two decades of the 20th century. There are outliers, of course. The Stone Mountain carving near Atlanta featuring Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee was begun as late as 1958. Democrats in other parts of the country were moderate and liberal with the party's strength spread around the nation. Republicans were strong in the Midwest, parts of the west coast, with a large liberal contingent in the northeastern states.

Then came 1929 and the Great Depression. Hoover did little or nothing to stem the ravages of the Great Depression placing his faith in the markets to right things. That didn't happen. On top of this, the Republicans did spiffy things like passing the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930; both Smoot and Hawley were Republicans by the way, that made the Depression worse.

A savior came out of New York named Franklin Delano Roosevelt who ran for POTUS in 1932 and won. Roosevelt instituted the New Deal -- I don't have to tell you about that do I? -- that revolutionized politics in America. It also did a good job at combatting the Great Depression except for a side trip in 1937 when Republicans convinced Roosevelt to cut back on federal spending because of the "horrendous" budget deficits that threw the nation into recession just as the economy was emerging from the Great Depression.

On the other side of the aisle, the Republicans railed against Roosevelt's socialism and a few even planned a coup that blew up in their faces. When they weren't throwing rocks at Roosevelt, the Republicans pursued isolationism as the outside world, particularly in Europe and Japan, descended into chaos brought about by fascist movements overseas.

Roosevelt's coalition had enthusiastic support outside the South. In the South, then Democrats went along with Roosevelt's reforms due to the tragic poverty brought about by the Great Depression, but carried on with their pining about the fall of the confederacy and passed Jim Crow laws and so forth to oppress the considerable black minorities in the old south.

This all created a schism in the Democratic Party that was held together with tape and bailing wire for a few decades. Then came Lyndon Johnson and the passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts in 1964-65 that blew the schism wide open. You do remember George Wallace's run for POTUS in 1968, I presume?

Richard Nixon came along and devised the dog whistle strategy. While not saying it out loud, the idea was to embrace racist policies using other pretenses to justify their stances. This attracted a whole lot of racist whites in the south and helped propel Nixon to a somewhat narrow victory in 1968 and a smashing win against liberal George McGovern in 1972.

Republicans continued the dog whistle strategy resulting in whites, particularly males, abandoning their Democratic Party roots in the south and blue collar areas elsewhere. By 2000, the transition was complete. The Democratic Party in the South was decimated. My state hasn't elected a Democrat to statewide office since 2000.

But that too is now changing. Thanks to gerrymandering by Republican state legislators, the transition to the Republican Party was solidified. My state, Georgia, sent 4 Democrats to Washington as house representatives, and 8-9 in completely safe Republican districts. What they did was to herd African Americans into a handful of districts while preserving the remainder of the seats in Georgia's more rural districts for Republicans. Worked like a charm.

But even that is now changing. My district, the prosperous 6th, tossed out ultra conservative Karen Handel for Lucy McBath, a Black Democrat in 2018. In the neighboring 7th, long a Republican stronghold, incumbent Robert Woodall (R) announced shortly after winning a nail biter that he would not run for reelection in 2020. Why? Because he's going to get beat in his now diverse district and he knows it. If the 7th flips as expected, Georgia will now send 6 Democrats and 8 Republicans to Washington, one seat from parity. Unthinkable a decade ago.

All of which is to say: This ain't your grandaddy's Democratic or Republican parties. The Democrats have grown more liberal -2 to -4 on a scale developed by two professors at UGA who have classified every vote taken by Congress since the 1870s for their degree of conservatism to liberalism. Meanwhile again, the Republican Party has gone from its +2 norm to +6 towards deeply conservative with fascism lying at the end of the road @ +10.

To claim: Democrats did this and that, well that's true if you look exclusively at southern Democrats. Nationally? No. The Democratic Party went liberal with Roosevelt and stayed that way. Southern Democrats, once referred to as Dixiecrats for their love of segregation, have left and gone Republican.

And, as Walter Cronkite used to say, "That is the way it is."

MitchP85D | 15. september 2019

Complete, utter horsecrap by dim1240. You altered history. The Big Switch, was the Big Lie!

Allow Dinesh D'Souza to educate your ass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDAQRVYBEoo

MitchP85D | 15. september 2019

Now for a great quote -

"What historians will definitely wonder about in future centuries is how deeply flawed logic, obscured by shrewd and unrelenting propaganda, actually enabled a coalition of powerful special interests to convince nearly everyone in the world that CO2 from human history was a dangerous, planet-destroying toxin. It will be remembered as the greatest mass delusion in the history of the world - that CO2, the life of plants, was considered for a time to be a deadly poison."

Richard Lindzen

dmm1240 | 15. september 2019

Baghdad Bob said there were no American tanks at the airport. He was wrong, too.

dmm1240 | 15. september 2019

Uh, no it's not a lie, Mitch. I live with it every day. That's like telling a man sitting in a swimming pool he's not wet.

rxlawdude | 15. september 2019

Wow, @dmm posts ACCURATE history and Mitch denies it.
Consistent, this guy. Deny science, deny history.

MitchP85D | 15. september 2019

Dinesh D'Souza educates a liberal college professor about the so-called "Big Switch."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol7OMGBDMao

jimglas | 15. september 2019

Dinesh D'Souza is a fear mongering idiot floating fake information

RedShift | 15. september 2019

Dinesh D souza, it’s come to that now, Mitch? That dumb moron got roasted by Bill Maher several years back. One of the most useless losers I’ve seen.

dmm1240 | 15. september 2019

The vast majority of these Confederate monuments were built during the era of Jim Crow laws (1877–1964). Detractors claim that they were not built as memorials but as a means of intimidating African Americans and reaffirming white supremacy. - Wikidpedia originally sourced from NPR, Dell Upton of the Society of American Historian and The Week.

As a member of the Republican Party, Roosevelt had served as President from 1901 to 1909, becoming increasingly progressive in the later years of his presidency. In the 1908 presidential election, Roosevelt helped ensure that he would be succeeded by Secretary of War Taft. After falling out with Taft, Roosevelt formed the Progressive Party aka The Bull Moose Party.

With the election of Abraham Lincoln (the first Republican President) in 1860, the Party's success in guiding the Union to victory in the American Civil War, and the Party's role in the abolition of slavery, the Republican Party largely dominated the national political scene until 1932. In 1912, Theodore Roosevelt formed the Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party after being rejected by the GOP and ran unsuccessfully as a third-party presidential candidate calling for social reforms. After 1912, many Roosevelt supporters left the Party, and the Party underwent an ideological shift to the right. - Source: History of the United States Republican Party on Wikipedia, original source: Time Magazine.

The South's transition to a Republican stronghold took decades and manifested an incremental seepage downward from national to state to local levels.[96] First the states started voting Republican in presidential elections—the Democrats countered that by nominating Southerners who could carry some states in the region, such as Jimmy Carter in 1976 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996. However, the strategy narrowly failed with Al Gore in 2000. The states began electing Republican senators to fill open seats caused by retirements and finally governors and state legislatures changed sides.[97]

Georgia was the last state to fall, with Sonny Perdue taking the governorship in 2002. Republicans aided the process with redistricting that protected the African-American and Hispanic vote (as required by the Civil Rights laws), but split up the remaining white Democrats so that Republicans mostly would win.[97] In 2006, the Supreme Court endorsed nearly all of the gerrymandering engineered by Tom DeLay that swung the Texas Congressional delegation to the GOP in 2004. - same article as immediately above.

Political commentators, trying to explain how Reagan had won by such a large margin, coined the term "Reagan Democrat" to describe a Democratic voter who had voted for Reagan in 1980 and 1984 (as well as for George H. W. Bush in 1988), producing their landslide victories. They were mostly white, blue-collar and were attracted to Reagan's social conservatism on issues such as abortion and to his hawkish foreign policy. Stan Greenberg, a Democratic pollster, concluded that Reagan Democrats no longer saw Democrats as champions of their middle class aspirations, but instead saw it as being a party working primarily for the benefit of others, especially African Americans and social liberals. Social scientists Theodore Caplow et al. argue: "The Republican party, nationally, moved from right-center toward the center in the 1940s and 1950s, then moved right again in the 1970s and 1980s" - same article under From Ronald Reagan to Bush era: 1980-2008.

The States' Rights Democratic Party (usually called the Dixiecrats) was a short-lived segregationist political party in the United States, active primarily in the South. After President Harry S. Truman ordered integration of the military in 1948 and other actions to address civil rights of African Americans, Southern conservative white politicians who objected to this course organized this party as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party, determined to protect Southern states' rights to maintain racial segregation. - Wikipedia article on Dixiecrats.

Here is an article on the polarization of Congress by Professors Christopher Hare and Keith T. Poole of the University of Georgia: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.1057/pol.2014.10

So where is the big lie?

Mitch, you really, really need to exit the alt right blogosphere from time to time to look around. These guys are lying to you and everyone else and have for a long time. All POTUSes lie and shade the truth from time to time, but not at the rate of throwing out 10,000 and counting whoppers in less than three years. The same goes for the think Brietbarts et al who do the same thing.

andy.connor.e | 16. september 2019

I hope no one is capable of taking this topic thread seriously.

SCCRENDO | 16. september 2019

@andy. What makes you think that anyone takes what he says seriously. It’s amusement to many. Like at the circus. You taunt the village idiot.

andy.connor.e | 16. september 2019

This is the best clown fiesta in town

MitchP85D | 16. september 2019

Dinesh D'Souza hasn't been roasted by anybody, especially Bill Maher. It is quite the contrary. Every liberal who dares to debate him gets shredded to pieces by D'Souza. And the reason is simple. D'Souza has thoroughly studied American political history. And he is looking at American history from the perspective as an Indian immigrant. He did not have any born biases in America to form his opinion. He came as a foreigner and grew an appreciation for this incredible nation we are a part of.

One of the basic observations he has noticed about America is that it has a political party hell-bent on destroying the founding principles of the USA - Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. The democrats, today and as in the past, have this compulsion to subjugate others to their political whims. They want to control the masses, and limit their choices in the marketplace.

This is the fundamental fight that is going on today. People on my side of the fence would much rather trust millions of people freely engaging in commerce, making decisions for themselves. The best products and services that win out for the individual, will lead to a betterment of the whole. This is what uplifts the standard of living for everybody. Those of you on the other side of the fence don't see it that way. You prefer to tell others what they can and can't have in life. And if they disagree with your political viewpoint, then you do all you can to destroy that person, organization, or company they are affiliated with. You lead boycotts and "shame" demonstrations against those you disagree with politically.

Freedom loving conservatives like me don't have time to dwell into other people's lives and tell them what to do. We just go about our business and do what we can to better our own lives. People on your side of the political fence spend your time looking into other peoples' lives, and destroying their lives if they don't join your bandwagon.

Nobody told me to buy a Tesla. I did that on my own volition. I have both a Tesla and Chevrolet Pickup truck. I chose those vehicles because I have the freedom to do so. I have no compulsion to tell others what kind of vehicle to own. I do brag about my Tesla. And I do support electric car growth in the marketplace. BUT NOT BY POLITICAL FORCE!

Now, it is time to do a HadCol poke in the eyes of you statists. Gun Control. The very first attempt by the democrat party to control guns was to PREVENT BLACK PEOPLE FROM OWNING THEM!

Let that sink in for a while.

SCCRENDO | 16. september 2019
TabascoGuy | 16. september 2019

"On May 31, 2018, D'Souza was issued a full pardon by President Donald Trump."

OK, I can stop reading there.

MitchP85D | 16. september 2019

Trump's best pardon yet!

TabascoGuy | 16. september 2019

You really are an idiot Mitch.

MitchP85D | 16. september 2019

Mainstream media liberal Anderson Cooper interviews Dinesh D'Souza about D'Souza's prosecution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=omIjyxzxSEU

Now you know why liberals hate him!

MitchP85D | 16. september 2019

Hey pepperhead, you can go ahead and think that I am an idiot till the day your feces petrifies!

andy.connor.e | 16. september 2019

we dont really think that......

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