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My tires are shot after less than 20,000 miles of easy driving. The service center said 15,000 to 20,000 was the expected life.
I do not really want to pay $2,000 for tires every 15,000 miles.

What options do I have to extend life and reduce cost of replacement?

After a little research is seems some of the short life is due to the tires not being able to rotate (the back tires are wider than the front). The high cost per tire is due to the 150 m/h speed rating.

I do not see myself ever driving even 100 m/h. Any thoughts on using "slower" tires?

There is not much difference in size between the front and back. What impact is there in running the same size tires on front and back?

Are there other tires that just last longer?

lilbean | 06. juni 2017

15,000 is a lot. Mine will need to be replaced at 10,000 and I drive very conservatively.

Solarman004 | 06. juni 2017

dwbolt, as an option, you can purchase the 19" rims from Tesla that they sell with the winter tire package, and install a good quality all-season tire. This is a symmetric setup that allows you to rotate tires.

dwbolt | 06. juni 2017

Thanks, the symmetric rims seems like a good option.

Solarman004 | 07. juni 2017

@dwbolt, if you decide to go the aftermarket route, like TireRack, what you are looking for is this:
Wheel: 19 x 8.5, 35 mm offset
Tire: 265/50R19
The correct offset is important because of how little space there is between the front tires and front suspension.
One caution, however, is that some others have reported that the Tesla SC will not perform wheel-related inspections or service if after-market wheels are on the car. When my 20" tires wear out, to be safe, I plan to order the rims from Tesla and purchase the tires locally from Discount Tires along with their warranty plan.
What you lose in visual appearance with the 19s, you will gain back with lower cost tires, the ability to rotate and extend life, slightly better efficiency, and easier tire to find in stock if you are on a road trip and get a flat. What I don;t know is how much louder will be the 19s without the foam lining like the 20" ContiSilents I currently have.
I will also probably keep one of the 20" front tire/wheels as an emergency spare for the local area.

MyXinTx | 08. juni 2017

So I just went through this with the Service Center...

After 2K miles, hoping to improve the ride and reduce the road noise, I decided to purchase Michelins to replace the Conti's, only to find that nobody but Tesla could get the correct weight and speed rated Michelins.
So I stored the Conti's for when I sell, and paid $2k for Michelins (which are labeled as Acoustic, and have the same worthless foam insert that all Conti's on Teslas have)

After 7K miles, within weeks after a 2K trip, I hear a "womp, womp" from the rear tires, and feel significant "cupping" on the inside tread, which also had significantly advance wear, essentially the Michelin's are damaged, more on the rear than the front, after just 5K miles.

So back to Service Center, who claimed that I should not expect high mileage from tires on a heavy performance vehicle.. WTF???

Then I get the education that the tires are cambered out to begin with, and as the car lowers with highways speeds, becomes even more so, which explains why a 2K road trip averaging 85 MPH resulted in ruined tires... no warranty or replacement.

Checked the alignment... barely out of specs, but enough to possibly contribute uneven wear.

And since staggered wheels, you can't even rotate the tires properly, although they admitted perhaps side rotations every 5K miles may help.

1) AVOID Michelins, known for softer rubber and a smoother ride, are not ideal for Tesla, at least maybe just not for the heavier MX, no matter what the weight rating is.

2) Change the suspension lowering setting at high speeds to NEVER... the energy hit for driving in standard height is probably far less then the cost of early tire replacement.

So what happened to the ruined Michelins? ...pretty much a $2K loss., but I just so happened to swap my HW1 6-seater for an AP2 5-seater (a real SUV), so those tires are now their problem while my original Conti's are now on my new MX, and the new tires are in storage for when the current ones need replacement, hopefully at least after 10-15K miles, if not longer.

MyXinTx | 08. juni 2017

@Solarman004 I agree with dropping to 19" wheels for a better ride, and non staggered for maximum rotation, made a huge difference on my Cayenne dropping from 21" to 18" wheels and Michelins, much smoother and quieter ride with still great performance for casual driver.

You can get 19" wheels that will fit a MX from 3rd party, and I had Discount Tires test fit a 9" wide one to confirm it clears the brakes.

joemar10 | 08. juni 2017

Why in the world are there different width tires on the car? Is the Model S like that too?

lilbean | 08. juni 2017

The Model S is not like that but my Jag is.

speyerj | 08. juni 2017

@joe
They look more aggressive. They may offer a bit of a traction benefit, but for most of us that's going to be negligible. They look nifty though.

Redmiata98 | 08. juni 2017

The performance model S is like that too.

dwbolt | 09. juni 2017

Are the standard 20" rims on the model X different sizes or is it just the tires?

If they are different sizes could I just buy two more "front" rims and but them on the back, so I could rotate the tires?

joemar10 | 09. juni 2017

Whether I decide to buy an S or an X, either way I'm going for range and utility, not swag. It seems that if you do not order the P package you should have the option of having all same size tires. Seems like a no-brainer that you should be able to rotate your tires for better tire wear.

jimvan | 10. juni 2017

I just checked with my local tire dealer and Conti Silents 20" (original equipment) can be had for a bit under $1500. We have about 20,000 miles on ours but the tire dealer thinks we can get another 4-5,000 out of them. I'll revisit the issue after our trailering trip with the X in July and August.

ScooterJim | 12. juni 2017

I am considering ordering 19inch wheels either from Tesla or Discount Tire, and buying Pirelli Verde A/S Plus in 265x50/19 as replacements. I was told if you have non Tesla wheels, the service center will not touch them. With the 19inch wheel, you can at least rotate them. I am checking the price of the 19inch Cyclone wheels when I visit the SC tomorrow. The rear tire needs a load rating of 110, the front is only 108. Mixing H rated and V rated is not a big deal unless you plan on running them over the H rated speed continuously. So far I still have 8/10 inch of tread remaining with 5,200 miles on them.

Solarman004 | 13. juni 2017

ScooterJim, on TireRack, the Pirelli Verde AS tires have the highest recommendation of all the 265 x 50/19 tires, and the best rating in snow. That is the same tire I'm looking at.

ScooterJim | 13. juni 2017

Solarman004: That is the reason I would like to switch. Tesla SC told me the price of the 19inch wheel, $329 ea. They said did not recommend them other than with the snow tires, did not give me a reason why.

Model X Guy | 13. juni 2017

I am leaving Florida for Michigan on July 5th. I will be carrying the original 20" slipstream wheels and tires with TPMS with me. They have 553 miles on them with no curb rash or other problems. If anyone lives along the route say between Illinois and Ohio I will deliver them to your door for $1600.00. That's about what you would pay to have new tires installed on your wheels. If no takers I will store them in Michigan for future use.

CriticalFan | 13. juni 2017

@joemar10 - Already checked with Tesla sales, all Model X come with staggered wheels, or you can purchase 2 additional wheels of either width, or all 4 aftermarket ones.

Why staggered? Mostly to handle the extra power for high-torque power, like the P models. But completely unnecessary for the non-P Model Xs.

So why only staggered on non-P Model X... so Tesla can maximize revenue by selling tires that wear at a faster rate, especially Michelins.

With staggered wheels, there is no recommended way to rotate tires. Can't go front to back, and side to side is possible, but not recommended by tire experts due to reversal of direction.

@dwbolt - Wheels are different widths, wider in rear

@ScooterJim - 19in for Model X? I had Discount Tires trial a properly configured 19 wheel on my MX, and they were confident it would clear the brakes. True, once you change from Tesla supplied wheels and tires, they no longer service them, but who cares if your new supplier will now take care of you, especially Discount Tires.

Also the wheels are cambered by design at the standard suspension height setting, and as the car speeds up, without changing the setting to "Never", the auto lowering of the suspension at increased speeds will result in more camber, resulting in accelerated interior treadwear and cupping.

@MyXinTx probably has it correct, a heavy EV need a harder rubber tire to prevent premature wear, plus the need to keep the suspension from lowering at highway speeds, forget the 0.1% increase in range

ScooterJim | 14. juni 2017

@CriticalFan: How did your 19inch wheels and tires perform (Noise, handling, and tread wear)? What brand and model tires did you buy? In summary, if 19inch wheels are install, change the suspension setting from Always to Never, and set the height to Standard, correct?

ken | 15. juni 2017

I use Conti, with STANDARD suspension height, and got 38k miles on it. i have total 55k miles now and on second set.

campusden | 16. juni 2017

model x guy. please get in touch with me. I live in florida. my nickname at yahoo. spam filter is stopping me from using a normal e-mail address.

dwbolt | 16. juni 2017

Just requested quote on four 19 inch wheels without tires from Tesla and two 20 inch front wheels. I assume getting 2 front wheels to put on the back will be cheaper. Are there other considerations about using 19 vs 20 inch wheels. The service center what very helpful about straying from the "Standards".

dwbolt | 16. juni 2017

Any comments on using slower tire to reduce replacement cost?

L 75 mph 120 km/h Off-Road & Light Truck Tires
M 81 mph 130 km/h Temporary Spare Tires
N 87 mph 140km/h
P 93 mph 150 km/h
Q 99 mph 160 km/h Studless & Studdable Winter Tires
R 106 mph 170 km/h H.D. Light Truck Tires
S 112 mph 180 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
T 118 mph 190 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
U 124 mph 200 km/h
H 130 mph 210 km/h Sport Sedans & Coupes
V 149 mph 240 km/h Sport Sedans, Coupes & Sports Cars

I do not ever see going over 100 mph in my model X. Is there any reason to pay for a V rated tire that comes standard on the model X?

ScooterJim | 16. juni 2017

As i stated above, H would be the minimum one should go to maintain handling since these are sporty cars. The higher speed rated tires also have stiffer sidewall for handling performance. Load rating is another important attribute. The model X is over 5000 lbs. The rating for the rear tires is 110 and there are not many options either for 19 inch or 20 inch tires in the speed range of H or V.

Model X Guy | 16. juni 2017

campusden,
Please call me today. My travel plans have changed.
Ed 941-473-8146

mzero | 16. juni 2017

@ken, are those original Contis that came with your X? Can low vs. standard suspension make that huge of a diff?

Model X Guy | 16. juni 2017

campusden,
Please call me today. My travel plans have changed.
Ed 941-473-8146

Tires are sold

ScooterJim | 21. juni 2017

Visited Discount Tire today looking for alternatives to the Conti Cross LX Sport. The Pirelli Verde A/S Plus is one possibility but the front only comes in H speed rating and the rear V speed rating, both with a 65,000 miles warranty. The sales person called Pirelli and offered another alternative. It is Pirelli P Zero A/S, which does not show on Discount Tire website, but does show on their computer. These tires have the proper load rating and their speed rating is Y (186 mph) with a 50,000 miles warranty, and they are cheaper than the Conti. The sales person confirmed the Conti Cross LX Sport comes with no mileage warranty,

ken | 21. juni 2017

i recently purchase the pirelli verde and i like it better the conti cross

ScooterJim | 21. juni 2017

@ken: Did you replace with the same stock sizes? H speed rating for the front and V for the rear? How is the handling, any noticeable degradation? How is the noise?

ScooterJim | 21. juni 2017

Correction, the Pirelli tires are Scorpion Zero All Season Plus.

rdfbsmith | 22. juni 2017

I just had to replace a tire on my Model X Tesla wanted $365 for 1 back tire I ordered it from discount tire for $292.
the Model X has staggered tires and they or not kept in stock. Discount tire was the best price I could find. I had to cover the seats with everything I could find due to the white interior but besides that a job well done.

But I do like the tires that came on the MX they are wearing very slow even with 17K miles on them.

Leli001 | 22. juni 2017

@rdfbsmith, I'm assuming those are 20's

rdfbsmith | 05. juli 2017

YES

ken | 05. juli 2017

the pielli scorpion tire match weight and speed rating of the continental tire. infact the lifespan milage is greater.

info | 30. juli 2017

I purchased the Pirelli Scorpion A/S Plus. I mounted them on after market TS high gloss black 20" rims. I leave the height adjustment on Standard and the speed lowing option to never. The tires cost $195.00 front / $182.00 rear each, from Discount Tire. I Recommend the road hazard for $100.00 for the set. I already hit a curb and took a slice from the side wall. One call to Discount tire and I had a new tire delivered to my house in 2 days. I just had to purchase an additional $26.00 road hazard certificate. I drive very conservitively and always monitor 40 lbs air presure in all tires. Tires are as quiet the Continentials if not more so. Have about 3500 miles on these tires with no wear shown. Love these tires.

IgnoranceBliss | 30. juli 2017

I don't think any tire is quiet with the Model X given the lack of any attempt to sound-reducing material to save weight.

Hopefully the Pirellis will wear better than the Michelins, which are made with too soft of a rubber for a heavy EV, despite the load ratings, my guys at Discount Tires agree with this.

Keeping the setting to "never" will help to prevent abnormal wear on extended highway travel, since the camber increases when the suspension lowers.

jamesdwilliams1949 | 16. august 2017

I grimaced when I picked up my Model S 12 months ago and saw the Continental tires. They are standard on Mercedes, so I knew in advance that they would wear out fast. Worthless tires, so I don't understand why some owners here were touting them as superior to Michelin. In any event, at 15k miles, the rears were bald. The front were ok, so kept them and replaced the rear with Michelin. I wanted to get Pirelli, but SC said they couldn't get them. Like others, I heard the claim from SC that the weight of the Model S is responsible for the rapid wear. The problem with this claim is that the Model S weighs about the same as my wife's MB ML350, and she got 27k miles out of her crummy Contientals. Thus, my conclusion is that it isn't the weight at all but rather the fact that these are high-performance tires, which always are made with softer materials than "regular" tires, so they wear extremely fast. I suspect that most Tesla owners drive conservatively, so the question is why we need such high-performance tires as standard equipment. Living in Southern California, it is impossible to get much above 60 mph because the traffic is so bad. Wish I had thought about this before buying the Tesla. Two grand a year for tires is ridiculous.

Bagzzz | 17. august 2017

Surprised that the solution ScooterJim had did not take over the thread. Just get tires with a mileage guarantee. I live in the mountains on a very curvy road and always take advantage of this. I even tell the salesman that I go through tires like crazy and they are still happy to sell me those tires. I buy tires on a price per mile basis and I know the price per mile before I buy.

ScooterJim | 17. august 2017

@Bagzzz, Thanks for the comments. I had my tires measured today at Discount Tire, 8/32 at 11,000 miles. I have a long way before getting new tires. I have a trip planned for next year from Atlanta to LA to Utah to SF and back. I will replace them with either the Pirelli Scorpion Plus A/S or Scorpion Zero A/S.

Leli001 | 18. august 2017

@info, I always preferred Pirelli tires over the years for all my cars. When you had those put on, did the sound dampening material inside the wheels stay with the new Pirelli tires or not?

chuckgrim | 18. august 2017

The sound deadening material is to the inside of the tire.

Leli001 | 18. august 2017

it is not a separate piece? interesting that @info mentioned the new Pirelli tires seem just as quite if not quieter without that material.

KITT | 03. desember 2017

Wanted some information. I picked up an inventory model X with 3800 miles on it. The rear passenger tire had a gash across the side wall. The delivery specialist told me that he had checked with the service manager and the tire was within specifications and safe. I said I would accept delivery if they would acknowledge that any damage as a result of that tire was on Tesla and that I wanted that put in writing on the delivery form. To that there was an immediate offer to change that tire. I asked if all 4 tires or at least the rear set needed to be changed and I was told that if the tire depth of the used tires is within 2mm of full tread then the other tires don't need to be changed. Now car has 3800 miles, Will this affect the rotation and RPM and handling of the car. I am new to this, so I don't understand, but if anyone has had any experience or can suggest if this will affect handling, I would much h appreciate it. The delivery was a little "Rocky" in the words of the delivery specialist, but he has I am assuming accommodated when he could.

Model_D | 03. desember 2017

Within 2 mm makes sense to me. I would feel very safe with one new tire and three tires with less than 4000 miles. I rotated in a full size spare tire at 20,000 miles on an SUV I used to drive.

norika.malhado | 12. juni 2018

Ken, with the Pirelli's is there significantly more road noise? or Stiffer ride? Thx.