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Electrify America another VW ripoff

EA is charging (average) $1.50/kWH.

+$150 to charge Model S/X
+$100 to charge Model 3

F you VW

https://twitter.com/AlterViggo/status/1192850475248435201?s=20

SamO | 8 november 2019

Premium electrons only.

CharleyBC | 8 november 2019

Hey, give VW a break. They need the money to pay for their very expensive settlements.

Also, have you heard their ads for EVs that are themed with Flintstones and Jetsons? The repetition alone is enough to push people away from EVs. Now they also want to make it punitively expensive.

95dawg | 8 november 2019

You'd think VW would match Tesla SC rates. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Pg3ibew | 8 november 2019

Like anything else, the consumer will set the price. By supply and demand.
And similar to oil, 5 or 6 BIG Companies will take over all of it. And then they will set the GAS STATION price.
I have a strong feeling, eventually, kwh prices for public charging will be less then household charging.
I have this feelinffg because THE big companies will have compitition, from home owners. Big oil has no compitition.

hokiegir1 | 8 november 2019

But....chademo.

Bighorn | 8 november 2019

Holy mother of god. I guess I'd stop living in my car at those rates.

CharleyBC | 8 november 2019

If VW were feeling truly penitent for their sins, they would develop a CCS-toTesla adapter for North America and give one to each of us.

bradbomb | 8 november 2019

@Pg3ibew I disagree that prices will go below household charging. Household charging is usually billed directly by the utility company. The public chargers are in essence a middle man between the utility company and the consumer, a middle man the consumer doesn't need unless traveling far distances.

Bighorn | 8 november 2019

FISH has been saying these alternative charging networks are very economical and fast.
40 kW for $1.50 per kWh is unbelievable.

teslamazing | 8 november 2019

Lolol @hokie

teslamazing | 8 november 2019

Lolol @bighorn

Pg3ibew | 8 november 2019

@bradbomb, I guess time will tell.

teslamazing | 8 november 2019

Another reason why Tesla’s SC network is far superior.

CharleyBC | 8 november 2019

"Another reason why Tesla’s SC network is far superior."

Except Atascadero. 6 kW. Sheesh!

TexasBob | 8 november 2019

That is INSANE.
Taycan cost 15,000 miles / yr @ 315 wh/mi and VW supercharging rate of $1.50 / kWh = $7,087 year
Panamera cost 15,000 miles / @ 21mpg and $3.50 gal = $2,500

bradbomb | 8 november 2019

@TexasBob Can't find this mentioned on Porsche's actual site, but there were articles back in January that Taycan owners would get 3 years free charging at Electrify America

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/28/porsche-taycan-owners-will-get-three-y...

Maybe that's why their rates are high, to cover that free charging for all those Porsche owners ;)

TranzNDance | 8 november 2019

I thought it was weird how the guy was grinning in the selfie while being ripped off, and it turned out it wasn't even his car.

inconel | 8 november 2019

The higher the price the better buyers of VAG cars feel when offered 3 years of free charging at the dealership: "Save $20k with our special Employee Offer of free charging for the first 3 years if you buy the car today"

vmulla | 8 november 2019

$0.336/kwH + $1 per charging session.

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

75kW is 300 miles an hour charge. 60 minutes x $0,18 a minute for EA = $10.80 for 300 miles.

75kW x Tesla $0.28 = $21.00 for 310 miles.

What am I missing? EA looks like half the price for 300 miles at 75kW/300 miles an hour.

Hope Tesla comes out with the CCS adapter so I can use EA's 350kW to see if the Model 3 really can charge at 250kW.

WW_spb | 8 november 2019

300 miles and hour? What?

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

50kW will charge at 200 miles an hour.
75kW will charge at 300 miles an hour.

It's on the Tesla screen as it charges.

walnotr | 8 november 2019

Sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are stupid instead of opening it and proving them right.

TeslaTap.com | 8 november 2019

@FISH - your math is wildly wrong. Here's a much simpler and direct comparison:

To get 75 kWh via EA: 75 x $1.50 = $112.50

To get 75 kWh at a Supercharger: 75 x $.40 = $30

(Supercharger prices do vary, but it is $0.40 per kWh around here)

Using your $0.28 rate would be even cheaper at a Supercharger: 75 x $0.28 = $21

TeslaTap.com | 8 november 2019

The speed of charging is irrelevant to the pricing.

vmulla | 8 november 2019

@TeslaTap,
With EA the pricing tiers are based on speed of charging. EA is charging per minute. It's not even like we have a good idea of how much worth a customer is getting out of a session (because charging isn't linear)

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

"The speed of charging is irrelevant to the pricing."@TeslaTap

EA charges by minute so speed of charging is everything. The real trick is getting the speed. I went to 50kW EVgo and was getting 25kW. I called them. This was around 6PM on Sunday night. Tesla doesn't answer. EA answered right away with a real person. She looked at charger, determined it was not the car. She turned off charger remotely. Restarted remotely. Told me to fill up on EA, no charge. Pretty cool.

Back today with some of my EVgo friends.

https://imgur.com/4dmVDcI

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

"Sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are stupid instead of opening it and proving them right."@walnotr

Advice you are no doubt wishing you took at this point...how droll.

walnotr | 8 november 2019

Hmmmm. The way I read that website, if you plug in and initially start charging at the top tier, you will be charged that rate throughout the session regardless of what the draw ramps down to. If it takes 30 minutes to charge to 80% that would be close to $30, not to mention if you try to charge to 90 or 95% the cost would be considerably higher.

Am I reading it wrong?

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

Did I read the screen wrong in the twitter pic? It read roughly $38 for 25 kWh

walnotr | 8 november 2019

Strange how you assumed it was directed at you.

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

"Am I reading it wrong?"@walntor

Yes. You pick your rates. Here's FISHEV at the EA super charger bank.

https://imgur.com/53ZYG15

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

"Did I read the screen wrong in the twitter pic? "lbowroom

Hard to say.

It clearly says lowest rate you can pay is $0.18 per minute at 75kW. I've chaged at EA and EvGo and they seem competitive. Key as noted above is making sure it's charging at the rate you are paying. Like Tesla SC's, they have issues also.

walnotr | 8 november 2019

DC Fast pricing is determined by charger location, pricing plan, and the power level in which your car is placed at the beginning of the charging session.

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

What? That customer was paying $38 for 25kWh. He can choose to power less if he wants?

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

*pay less

crmedved | 8 november 2019

Where are people getting this $1.50 per kW number? If you pick the 350 kW charge rate, it is $1 + $0.99 per minute in California. If you pick the 125 kW, that is similar to superchargers, and $0.69/min. Yes, it is still a lot more expensive than Tesla, but nowhere near as bad as $1.50 per kW.

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

I think it comes from 38/25

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

Like the screen in the picture

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

But I guess you can choose your price...

Bighorn | 8 november 2019

Not only is he paying $1.50 per kWh, he's been charging 38 minutes for 25.6kWh. If he's charging empty to full, he's going to be there 2 hours and 18 minutes, if there's no taper. You'd think if he had the option to pay less, he would have. The picture doesn't lie and Dennis is a known commodity.

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

Lewdichris

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

"Yes, it is still a lot more expensive than Tesla, but nowhere near as bad as $1.50 per kW."@crmedved

And looks to be cheaper than I pay at Tesla using the EA 75kW lowest rate of $0.18 a minute. 300 kWh in an hour. 60 minutes x $0.18 = $10.80 vs. 310kWh x $0.28 = $21 for Tesla.

walnotr | 8 november 2019

I can pay as little as $.22/minute at 150kW, EVGo would charge $.99/minute on 350kW charger and keep charging at that rate for the entire session even when the charge rate drops to 35kW. The cost per kW rapidly increases the slower the rate of charge gets.

Bighorn | 8 november 2019

It's actually $1.52/kWh given the $38 he's being charged for 25 kWh. Numbers don't lie. My free supercharging on the S alone would have cost me $138,500 at that rate.

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

"if there's no taper."@Bighorn.

Never see the taper at 50kW on the Chaemo's. Doubt I'd see one at 75kW. Most the EA's are based on CCS so I don't know if that would affect the rate the car's can accept the charge and affect the taper.

Bighorn | 8 november 2019

Tesla Model S tapers down to about 3-4 kW in the high 90s SOC. Little is known about the Taycan taper.

PteRoy | 8 november 2019

- https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/21/my-1st-time-charging-with-electrify...

11.8 kWh total cost $8.76. Max charging rate 44kw

lbowroom | 8 november 2019

So huge discrepancy between fish’s reported cost vs photo evidence of others

FISHEV | 8 november 2019

Looks like you can choose cheaper than Tesla at 200 miles an hour/75kW, almost half the price. Come on CCS adapter!!!

The 125kW would 500 miles an hour, 310 miles. 37 minutes x $0.50 a minute = $18.60.

Wouldn't that still be cheaper than Tesla 310/75kWh. 75kWh x $0.28 for $21.00?

The taper points would come into play but I wonder where they are for e-Tron, Taycan and others with the CCS port. Most charging is going to be 85%. But if it was substantial. Turn off as soon as starts to taper and reset for the cheaper 75kWh.

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