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would like a Model III, need to overcome the challenge as a renter.

would like a Model III, need to overcome the challenge as a renter.

G'day all.

Here's my scenario.

I log 40,000km annually, 60% for work so there's no car out there that will fit the bill like the Model 3 in its current conceptual form.

My real problem tho, isnt the car, nor the range anxiety.

I'm a renter, so like many i've already encouter a challenge that need to be overcome. Paying for rewiring and buying a charger isnt the problem, but rather getting the permission to do so. If my landlord says no or in a strata environment that isnt forward thinking, its a no go for the Model 3.

As it is right now, EV is for individuals that have a house or have secured a long term rental place that allows rewiring.

As well, i probably wont have the comfort of charging in the garage if its a house. Therefore the charger would be outside and that would expose it to copper theft.(Vancouver BC)

so how would i go about tackling these issues, all inputs are welcome.

thx
Jeff

*I have thought about Nissan Micra, but dont really want to go there.
*is Model III really intended for the masses, or more property owners? no EV for renters most likely.

holidayday | 2015年6月29日

Ask the landlord.
They will either say "no" or "Yes". You might even get "maybe, if you pay for it all" type of response.

Until you ask the owner of the rental, then you can search for other input.

JeffM | 2015年6月29日

thank you for nothing.

Red Sage ca us | 2015年6月29日

?!?

You are welcome!

JeffM | 2015年6月29日

no I get it.

secure a place, get permission, sweeten up the deal so its in my favor.

sounds easy.

in practice is not.

unless you're a renter you wouldn't know about the variables.

Detroit SuperCharger | 2015年6月29日

Did you ask yet? Until you ask you won't know. I think that's the point everyone's getting at.

That said, I'm a renter and am planning to purchase a Model X. I've scoped out 7 free level 2 charge stations within 10 min of my place. 2 near malls / movies / places I frequent.

I've made note of their usage weekly, and I'll easily be able to charge at any of these locations without issue.

In a pinch, run an extension cord out of your apartment for a trickle charge.

JeffM | 2015年6月29日

i can get yes, but my days at this place is numbered, once the kids get older they will takeover the whole house and i have to move.

I was lucky enough to stay at this location for 5 years, probably another 2.

But then the Model III's production would've just started.

The next obstacle is, say i get the charger installed but unforseen occurrence hits, i have to move again, wouldnt the wiring cost be lost?

What if the few locations that welcomes EVs require higher rent(the chance of EV friendly locales charging premium is a possibility), wouldnt the savings be even lesser?

pardon my scattered mind.

JeffM | 2015年6月29日

because the distance i cover everyday i need to have the battery topped up Mon - Fri a lvl 2 charger at home is a must.

Homebrook | 2015年6月29日

Save up and buy your own place. You don't have to be a renter your whole life. Sacrifice, if you need to. It really does put a lot more things in your control.

JeffM | 2015年6月29日

not in Vancouver, where real estate has been exploited head over heels. who buys a house to live in there, few, all to make some quick money and sack the generation or two after them. job is here. cant really relocate.

if I was able to, i would end up at some strata's mercy in regards to EV.

you can call it bad start up, but ownership is out of the question.

thx for the replies.

Timo | 2015年6月29日

I'm with Homebrook in this. Get your own place with a garage where you can install the charger.

JeffM | 2015年6月29日

well, lets see how public's perception change in the next couple years.

Brian H | 2015年6月29日

What is the provincial legislation re obstacles to renter charging?

Detroit SuperCharger | 2015年6月29日

I believe over the next several years (by the time model iii comes out) there will be many more "city" SuperChargers. For example, there is now one being constructed about an hour away from me at a Meijer, in Ann Arbor <- that wasn't even on the "official docket" until a few months ago. If I was in your position (having to commute a lot), I'd probably just stop there to top off every other day.

Or if you see your work as more of constant than your residence (i.e. you don't plan on leaving your job anytime soon) why not ask THEM to install a charger instead?

Overall I think we'll see more and more of these inner city SuperChargers pop up in places like grocery stores, malls, movies, etc as Tesla gains traction with the Modell III.

As it stands, I work from home and will be able to manage fine with a once a week trip to the movies / restaraunt (which I do anyway) and charge up with an L2 charger there. I think a lot of renters will take this path when buying the model iii.

johnse | 2015年6月30日

I hear you that buying a residence is not always in the cars.

You've stated that you'll be needing to find new housing about the time you'd be looking at buying a Model 3 anyway. It seems to me that you would want to use your foreknowledge of needing to look for a place to make a concerted effort to find a new place to live that is compatible with being able to charge.

Many houses (and I'm thinking rentals here) have electric drying hookups in the garage. You may be able to use that connection for charging without doing any re-wiring.

You indicate you do a lot of driving for your job. I don't know the Vancouver housing market, but if it's like most markets, you can get less expensive and/or nicer accommodations by going a little farther from the downtown. Would that help expand the possibilities for finding a suitable location?

As for cost of wiring--that's a negotiation between you and the landlord. All that you need to have wired is a (probably 40-50 amp) circuit to an appropriate outlet. The charger is something that you'd be able to take with you. Another possibility in an apartment building is that the landlord may look at putting in a shared charger--in which case you'd probably be paying for access to it, but shouldn't have to pay for the install.

Being an early adopter does have its difficulties sometimes. It may just mean that you get up a bit earlier and hit a supercharger on your way to work or to one of your client locations.

You state 40000km per year, 60% for work. That implies about 100km per work day (250 days per year) of work travel and an average of 110km per day overall. That suggests that if your travels take you by a supercharger, you could spend 30-40 minutes per day--any time of the day--to charge. So it is possible you would not need to have a home charging method at all.

All of the above are just possibilities. Good luck on figuring it out!

Remnant | 2015年6月30日

If you live in a single house, you might consider building the garage yourself. Your landlord might pitch in for the investment it represents, because the rental value would rise.

Brian H | 2015年6月30日

johnse;
in the cards or the cars!

In Vancouver, even buying a small property would require moving 60-100 miles out of the city to break below $1 million. RE is insanely expensive here.

carlgo2 | 2015年6月30日

It is going to be years before anyone has a Model 3 in hand. Who knows if there will be changes in the charging infrastructure, or if Tesla will put that off for years more. They will sell all they can make for a couple of years anyway, and may not feel the need to do much for awhile.

It is just too early to tell and to make definite plans.

I could see landlords installing profitable chargers. Get your rent and "gas" money at the same time!

Red Sage ca us | 2015年6月30日

Vancouver BC is a really nice town. I only visited once, a little over twenty years ago, but the experience stuck with me. A really nice vibe throughout. A place that, like Baja CA, strikes me as a nice spot to have a home away from home. Anyone that lives there permanently is truly blessed, for sure.

johnse | 2015年7月1日

@Brian
That's why I was suggesting rentals. Craigslist has lots of listings which have either attached or detached garages. Houses, apartments, townhouses, etc.

Timo | 2015年7月1日

@Brian H, I'm curious, how do Canadians define "small property"?

I checked Vancouver prices for what I consider to be "small property" and I didn't find them extraordinary high.

Emobile | 2015年7月1日

I have seven rental homes. I'll give you my landord's prospective. Whether I gave permission or not would depend mostly on how good of a tenant you are and how much I wanted to retain you. If you never caused any problems, paid rent on time or early, and took very good care of the place I most definately would be willing to accomodate your request provided the wiring and location were suitable. You would have to pay for it, and I would require the work to be done by a licensed electrician.

JeffM | 2015年7月2日

lets see, i mow lawns, trim hedges, do outside cat5 wiring(no wire fishing, didnt learn that), do at home wifi networks(really simple) work on my own car(brake pads, wheel bearing, struts shocks) with cardboard underneath to prevent staining and if you have car problem i have a scanner.

If you have IPTV, i know a little bit of that too. I use to work for a telco contractor (the good kind). Pay my rent a day ahead, whenever i get paid the pre allocated amount need to disappear then.

I'd use all my power to sweeten up the deal and shoulder the cost.

but my life is simpler, imagine those with more responsibility, tighter schedule, and further distance to cover?

JeffreyR | 2015年7月2日

Seek out charging options (garage rental, parking structure, supercharger, etc.) then when it's time to move try to find a place nearby one of the good options you found. Think about catching up on email/paperwork for 20-30 minutes at the end of the day at a good charger, then finishing off at home w/ a trickle charge. You don't need to fill up all at once.

I'm w/ @RS I really liked Vancouver too. Congrats on making life work in one of the Great Cities.

Dramsey | 2015年7月6日

The sad reality is that not everyone's situation will make owning an EV feasible. In which case they shouldn't buy an EV.

grega | 2015年7月7日

In general the question isn't one I've thought about (and I didn't understand the question either when I first read it). And the problem applies to me.

I know I could charge an EV in my current rental, from a regular domestic 240V (in Australia), and get 70 miles charge overnight (113km) which is enough for me. Your mileage indicates about the same. As fast chargers become common, if you get down to 1/4 you could do a fast charge to boost you to 2/3, and then use the home slow outlet to fill the rest.

(Is 1.8kW/8amp charging from 240v domestic what it would realistically be? Are you Australian?)

So being a renter, I can be asked to move with 2 months notice. Many apartments don't have an electrical outlet in the garage (and it's not a feature they bother listing on ads). Certainly many landlords would pick the tenant who doesn't want to do something difficult like wire a charger at the onset.

I think I agree with Carlgo. It'll be a couple of years before the Model III gets here so you have some time to see how the attitudes change. However I think if you work out you can get away with just a 240v outlet you'd be fine, but as @Dramsey says, not everyone's situations suit an EV yet.

Brian H | 2015年7月7日

Landlords who actually want to attract loyal tenants will not be so stubborn, perhaps!

Ouija | 2015年7月7日

I'm with Emobile. We have rental units, and I would welcome a tenant installing an EV charger.

grega | 2015年7月7日

Yes you're right... proposing that you'd like to invest in something shows an intention to stay longer and a respectful relationship.

Most of my past landlords were brilliant and would have approved of that, my current one is not. But in hindsight, learning more quickly that my current landlord is... the way he is.... would have helped avoid moving here. (not complaining generally, location and place is great... until there's an issue)